week 4 Green Bay Packers, coaching film analysis thread

Originally posted by jonnydel:

I think that is what is so frustrating. The game was within reach, we just couldn't finish and get it done.

Well I think the issue is whether we have any confidence that we will ever get it done against anyone. I'm not sure a lot of people feel that way feel that we can this season.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by 951NINER:

Honest question. Considering all the breakdowns of the film by JonnyDel and THL408, which do an awesome job thanks guys, and the lack of execution shown, does anyone feel we could have actually won this game ?

I think that is what is so frustrating. The game was within reach, we just couldn't finish and get it done.

Exactly. Inside the 5 and have them on their heals. Rodgers is frustrated.

2 sacks. Game over. Timely penalties killed us as well...helped them a lot too quality wise.

I've seen this team did some good things early since the Steelers game. Some how due to circumstances we lost the momentum. As bad as it is right now, this team has talent that they have shown flashes of it on the field. They need to put it together for a full game.

I agree with Torrey Smith or whoever it was, that said they work too hard to have this type of result. It shouldn't be this way. I haven't given up on this team.

Awesome stuff!

Good - looks like our playcalling is not as bad as we thought

Bad - Kaep may have gotten worse than we thought....

Originally posted by SJniner7:

Awesome stuff!

Good - looks like our playcalling is not as bad as we thought

Bad - Kaep may have gotten worse than we thought....

Truth!

Reading this thread makes me even more depressed with Kap

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SJniner7:

Awesome stuff!

Good - looks like our playcalling is not as bad as we thought

Bad - Kaep may have gotten worse than we thought....

Truth!

This whole thing had me thinking of when Jeff Garcia first took over after Steve got hurt in 1999. He looked lost, it was too fast for him and he was previously a pretty successful pro QB albeit in Canada. His splits work out nicely because he started 5 games, got benched for a few and then was reinserted to start the remaining 5 games. Here where his splits:

Before benching:
52.7% 939yards 3tds 5ints 63.4rating

After benching:
66.5% 1441yards 8tds 3ints 98.3rating

I realize it's not apples to apples, but sometimes a guys needs to sit and watch some football. It worked for Jeff and he had a really nice 2000 seasons. I'm just wondering if we should give kap a break.

Great thread for an Aussie noob, much of the jargon is going over my head (like a Kaep pass), but very interesting.

I keep hearing this is a team game. Not compared with any other team sport I can think of. It is such a 'one-position-dominates' game that the QB becomes a protected species - even if that means the team suffers. Therein lies the paradox - the QB becomes too important to bench. If its a team game then...

I'd be starting him on the bench next game. Give Gabbert the first half. Poor CK has his pride dented a bit, big deal. He needs some kind of jolt and be given something to fight for - if only his pride, and not left wrapped in cotton wool. I bet Gabbert would have made some of those passes in the last couple of games and the 49ers would have probably beaten GB.

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SJniner7:

Awesome stuff!

Good - looks like our playcalling is not as bad as we thought

Bad - Kaep may have gotten worse than we thought....

Truth!

This whole thing had me thinking of when Jeff Garcia first took over after Steve got hurt in 1999. He looked lost, it was too fast for him and he was previously a pretty successful pro QB albeit in Canada. His splits work out nicely because he started 5 games, got benched for a few and then was reinserted to start the remaining 5 games. Here where his splits:

Before benching:
52.7% 939yards 3tds 5ints 63.4rating

After benching:
66.5% 1441yards 8tds 3ints 98.3rating

I realize it's not apples to apples, but sometimes a guys needs to sit and watch some football. It worked for Jeff and he had a really nice 2000 seasons. I'm just wondering if we should give kap a break.

I'm glad I don't have to make those calls but this is some great context.

Next time Kap gets hit , the coaches need to "evaluate" him for a concussion and pull him from the game "for his own good" and see how Gabbert does

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

johnny d this is such a great thread thank you so much.


you know I get a sense of what you're trying to say about kap. Could you do me a favor and just stay what you really feel. and what you analyze. I think that would help everybody. thanks.

Well, I try an be careful about such a polarizing issue. I also have to be careful about myself, about not letting my own frustration over the team o love losing, that I let emotion cloud the view. Further, I don't want a thread about the team performance to get derailed into another kaep thread. Now, considering the past 2 weeks, it's hard for it not to turn into that.

All that to say, where I'm getting at with him, is that the time for patience and, "give him a chance to learn it" is running out, for me. He's been in the league 5 years and is 27. Are we supposed to wait til he's 30 and starts losing the speed that makes him special to get start putting it together?

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Well, I try an be careful about such a polarizing issue. I also have to be careful about myself, about not letting my own frustration over the team o love losing, that I let emotion cloud the view. Further, I don't want a thread about the team performance to get derailed into another kaep thread. Now, considering the past 2 weeks, it's hard for it not to turn into that.

All that to say, where I'm getting at with him, is that the time for patience and, "give him a chance to learn it" is running out, for me. He's been in the league 5 years and is 27. Are we supposed to wait til he's 30 and starts losing the speed that makes him special to get start putting it together?

It took Alex Smith how many years? And no I don't want to make this a smith/Kap debate but I think sometimes teams are too eager to give up on talented players. The coaches should keep giving nothing but votes of confidence for Kap. He did take us to a super bowl and a couple NFC championship games. The talent is clearly there, it's just building up the confidence now. We all could tell the first 2 weeks that he looked better but after those 4 picks he is clearly gun shy. Hopefully he busts out of his slump. Much like Jump shooters in basketball, they say the only way to get out of your slump is to keep shooting.

Originally posted by Luckycharms:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Well, I try an be careful about such a polarizing issue. I also have to be careful about myself, about not letting my own frustration over the team o love losing, that I let emotion cloud the view. Further, I don't want a thread about the team performance to get derailed into another kaep thread. Now, considering the past 2 weeks, it's hard for it not to turn into that.

All that to say, where I'm getting at with him, is that the time for patience and, "give him a chance to learn it" is running out, for me. He's been in the league 5 years and is 27. Are we supposed to wait til he's 30 and starts losing the speed that makes him special to get start putting it together?

It took Alex Smith how many years? And no I don't want to make this a smith/Kap debate but I think sometimes teams are too eager to give up on talented players. The coaches should keep giving nothing but votes of confidence for Kap. He did take us to a super bowl and a couple NFC championship games. The talent is clearly there, it's just building up the confidence now. We all could tell the first 2 weeks that he looked better but after those 4 picks he is clearly gun shy. Hopefully he busts out of his slump. Much like Jump shooters in basketball, they say the only way to get out of your slump is to keep shooting.

I also don't want this thread to deteriorate into a Smith/kap debate, but I just wanted to respond to your initial premise. People generally lament the years we spent on Smith. You want to repeat the mistakes of the past?

That said, I think we need to be very careful with how we finish out the season with Kap. We don't have a better option.

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Originally posted by Luckycharms:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Well, I try an be careful about such a polarizing issue. I also have to be careful about myself, about not letting my own frustration over the team o love losing, that I let emotion cloud the view. Further, I don't want a thread about the team performance to get derailed into another kaep thread. Now, considering the past 2 weeks, it's hard for it not to turn into that.

All that to say, where I'm getting at with him, is that the time for patience and, "give him a chance to learn it" is running out, for me. He's been in the league 5 years and is 27. Are we supposed to wait til he's 30 and starts losing the speed that makes him special to get start putting it together?

It took Alex Smith how many years? And no I don't want to make this a smith/Kap debate but I think sometimes teams are too eager to give up on talented players. The coaches should keep giving nothing but votes of confidence for Kap. He did take us to a super bowl and a couple NFC championship games. The talent is clearly there, it's just building up the confidence now. We all could tell the first 2 weeks that he looked better but after those 4 picks he is clearly gun shy. Hopefully he busts out of his slump. Much like Jump shooters in basketball, they say the only way to get out of your slump is to keep shooting.

I also don't want this thread to deteriorate into a Smith/kap debate, but I just wanted to respond to your initial premise. People generally lament the years we spent on Smith. You want to repeat the mistakes of the past?

That said, I think we need to be very careful with how we finish out the season with Kap. We don't have a better option.

That's the thing, Alex Smith was 25 in 2009 when he started getting it together.
His QB rating was over 80 and it grew every year.
He improved every year.
Kaepernick in the other hand has regressed every year.
He's 28 soon and struggles to read defenses and can't anticipate throws.
He should be at the point in his career where those things start to click and it's easy.
And it's not clicking, so it's a problem

Going back to a key drive early in the game, that had this play:
http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/183436-week-green-bay-packers-coaching-film-analysis-thread/page2/#post29

The 49ers find themselves with a 1st and Goal from the 5 yard line trailing 7-0.

After lining up Celek split wide, they motion him into the slot (red dashes). This will force GB to make a pre-snap adjustment. 49ers will flood the middle of the field.
Versus Cover0 (6 rushers)


Kap completes his dropback. GB is all confused because 3 defenders follow Hyde to the flat. Celek has a lot of room to work. Throwing windows are always tight in the red zone so it doesn't get much better than this. My guess is Kap is looking high-low.


Kap is about to get sacked because Staley gives up pressure, but the ball should be out of Kap's hands by now.


Sacked for -10.