week 5 NYG coaches film analysis thread

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Patton on top of the screen

Ehhh maybe. Yeah sure why not. A confident QB might make that throw.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Patton on top of the screen The guy is useless. All he does is run wide-open down the field.

By the time he's open CK is under seige and scrambling left.

Originally posted by thl408:
Ehhh maybe. Yeah sure why not. A confident QB might make that throw.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
By the time he's open CK is under seige and scrambling left.

Yeah, would be a major league throw from Kaep or any NFL qb. With Kaep's arm strength why not. And a bit of anticipation and confidence he can drop that in, even with that CB prowling.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Yeah, would be a major league throw from Kaep or any NFL qb. With Kaep's arm strength why not. And a bit of anticipation and confidence he can drop that in, even with that CB prowling.

Against Sherman it's a pick, against most CBs it is a great throw/catch or an incompletion.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Yeah, would be a major league throw from Kaep or any NFL qb. With Kaep's arm strength why not. And a bit of anticipation and confidence he can drop that in, even with that CB prowling.

Against Sherman it's a pick, against most CBs it is a great throw/catch or an incompletion.

Anyways, meanwhile Celek is open

Celeb vs LB with his back to the ball. Gotta take that doe

With the score 3-3. NYG would start a drive and face a 3rd & 5. Last week, the 49ers defense did a good job getting off he field on 3rd downs. Sometimes it was good D, sometimes Rodgers threw an inaccurate pass or his WR dropped a ball, but the defense got off the field. GB was 5-15 on 3rd down conversions, NYG was 9-14.

1Q 3rd & 5
NYG dials up a zone busting concept because that's what the 49ers tend to do - play zone. The two Curls on the outside are meant to get an easy completion versus a cover3 defender playing deep 1/3. Red and Yellow get a high-low read over the middle.
versus Cover 2 Man
The focus here will be on Ward and Bow. In Cover2 Man, the slot CB (Ward) needs to funnel the Wr away from the middle of the field where the large seam between the two safeties are.


Ward properly takes inside leverage. Manning, going High-Low, red lights the slot WR (high).


Manning then reads Low on the shallow crossing route.


The pass is completed and Bow has both arms around the WR (I think it's a TE).


Bow can't corral the tackle and the TE is able to lunge forward to pick up just enough yards. +5 yards, first down.

Poor Bow, he aint the same

Same drive, another 3rd down opportunity for the 49er defense to get off the field.
2Q 3rd & 7
NYG runs a 'Stick and Nod' concept. It looks like Sticks, until the #3 (OBJ, yellow) cuts back to the middle part of the field. It's used to make the defense think it's Sticks then catch them napping. Not sure what coverage the 49ers are in. If I had to guess, I'd say Cover 2 Man, but Tartt (29) and Bethea (41) don't play it that way. Take note of the RB's purple circle route and how Bow plays it. It will be re-visited later in this drive.


Bethea rolls coverage towards the strongside of the offensive formation. Right now, it looks like Sticks. Tartt jumps to the outside looking as though he's in zone. The other defenders look like they are in man coverage.


OBJ 'nods' back to the inside.


+31 yards.

^^^You can tell the Giants OC has WCO roots. We will see this play again on our Celek TD.

Originally posted by Niners816:
^^^You can tell the Giants OC has WCO roots. We will see this play again on our Celek TD.

Yeah the Celek TD is a similar route concept. Celek was on local radio talking about it after the game.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Niners816:

^^^You can tell the Giants OC has WCO roots. We will see this play again on our Celek TD.

Yeah the Celek TD is a similar route concept. Celek was on local radio talking about it after the game.

Once you establish sticks as something you do, this companion play is usually a win. Defenses start to sniff out the regular sticks concept based on formation usually. Like this 1994 example


Then you have to hit them with this

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Here's another example of pattern-match with a busted assignment from Reaser. 8:02 2nd QTR


Here, we're going to run a true "dime" package with both Ward and Reaser in. We align like we're in man-coverage and Reaser trails a motioning receiver across the field.


You see the safeties split, one down, one up, one key element to the pattern-match(not the only one, I know :)) you see the corners open their hips, like zone coverage. Ward jams his man.


Ward passes off the inside release to reaser and takes the outside release. Also, Bowman see's he outside release and takes that, as the safety is responsible for anything from a vertical release or a crosser.


The yellow shows a zone coverage. It looks like a defense in the Fangio years. Reaser should pass his shallow cross off to Bethea, but trails the receiver, opening up a hole for the short post/deepslant.





Reaser should've passed his man off in this particular call, it appears.


This is how it should've been executed, with Reaser as the LB to the 2 receiver side

This is a beautifully designed play which I'd like to show from an offensive perspective later. NYG destroyed us with the Slant-Flat concept. Not exaggerating, they must have connected on about 6 Slant Flat combos throughout this game.

Originally posted by thl408:

This is a beautifully designed play which I'd like to show from an offensive perspective later. NYG destroyed us with the Slant-Flat concept. Not exaggerating, they must have connected on about 6 Slant Flat combos throughout this game.

Haha....did I say something about their OC having WCO roots Not much more WCO then a slant-flat combo

Originally posted by thl408:
Same drive, another 3rd down opportunity for the 49er defense to get off the field.
2Q 3rd & 7
NYG runs a 'Stick and Nod' concept. It looks like Sticks, until the #3 (OBJ, yellow) cuts back to the middle part of the field. It's used to make the defense think it's Sticks then catch them napping. Not sure what coverage the 49ers are in. If I had to guess, I'd say Cover 2 Man, but Tartt (29) and Bethea (41) don't play it that way. Take note of the RB's purple circle route and how Bow plays it. It will be re-visited later in this drive.


Bethea rolls coverage towards the strongside of the offensive formation. Right now, it looks like Sticks. Tartt jumps to the outside looking as though he's in zone. The other defenders look like they are in man coverage.


OBJ 'nods' back to the inside.


+31 yards.

OBJ sells this so well...beautiful play and execution! Bethea overran the play a bit but with a super quick WR......hard to corral him!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
One thing that I think can also get over-looked, is how, since the Pitt game, a lot of teams have been going "no huddle" against us. So, that's another thing to consider when trying to look at schematic problems. If the offense is in a no-huddle, the DC doesn't have a chance to call the defense.

here's a snapshot of one of NY's drives, you can see how much no-huddle they used. the first play, 8:02 was the pattern match called by Mangini. After that, they ran - either spot zone or pattern match - there wasn't enough information to know, then man-coverage or it was a run.

Really good point...I noted that as well. Mangini was thought of really liking personnel matchups and sub packages and teams caught on and started catching us in base defenses (Brooks on a WR) or 12 men on the field trying to run everyone on and off the field. Good point.

Yup. Every NYG drive had instances where they went no huddle. Eli channeling his older brother. Here's the 12 man on the field penalty and it came on a no huddle by NYG. Highlighted yellow is the penalty flag as the ref blew the play dead. Any time the defense is all lined up ready to go and there's 12 men on the field, one of the safeties messed up. It's up to them to count since they have the best view of the field.