week 5 NYG coaches film analysis thread

Curious to see if kap continues to dropback more from under center. He looked good doing it and I think helped with his timing and conviction with his throws. I know Tomsula said they saw something schematically that made them go with it more against NYG but Im hoping it stays because it looked pretty good.

Im also just a fan of dropping back. Reminds me of my first days of watching football and Steve Young. It just looks so pretty when a qb hits that back step, fires the ball and gets a nice completion.

Originally posted by Antix:
Curious to see if kap continues to dropback more from under center. He looked good doing it and I think helped with his timing and conviction with his throws. I know Tomsula said they saw something schematically that made them go with it more against NYG but Im hoping it stays because it looked pretty good.

Im also just a fan of dropping back. Reminds me of my first days of watching football and Steve Young. It just looks so pretty when a qb hits that back step, fires the ball and gets a nice completion.

Same here, I like dropping back from center. Our play-action game tends to be more effective from under center, and that's huge for Kap. That's when he's most effective throwing the football imo.

Guys, would you mind to tell me your impressions Tiller and Devey made on you? Overall, strengths/weaknesses? in case of Devey, improvements?

Originally posted by SofaKing:
Same here, I like dropping back from center. Our play-action game tends to be more effective from under center, and that's huge for Kap. That's when he's most effective throwing the football imo.

Yeah, he's much better under center.

Originally posted by thl408:
49ers will use playaction, then roll Kap to the right. To help sell the playaction, they will pull Tiller (61, purple) as if they were running Power. Cue the Benny Hill music in your head.


As Tiller pulls, he trips over Martin's right leg.

Kilgore's back in two games. Big push back there on Martin.

Originally posted by thl408:

Here's the next play after the Boldin 9 yard catch.
This play is symbolic of the 49ers red zone woes. 3rd &1. A TD helps so much here, being down 3-13. But just gaining a yard would earn them 1st and Goal from the 3 yard line.

49ers will use playaction, then roll Kap to the right. To help sell the playaction, they will pull Tiller (61, purple) as if they were running Power. Cue the Benny Hill music in your head.


As Tiller pulls, he trips over Martin's right leg.


As Kap executes the playaction, Hyde collides with Miller, preventing Miller from quickly releasing into his route. wtf


Kap completes the playaction, looks up and sees this. Nothing but a defender in his face.


No one open. Tough throw on the run to Boldin with no separation. Incomplete. FG time.

This play had me pissed. I could be stating the obvious, but let's just run it there and get the yard.

was this the shovel toss after he already steps out of bounds?

why this dude can't just throw the ball away is disturbing

Originally posted by BadgerHawk:
Guess who has 1.5 sacks in their last two games? That guy who were were going to "help" that went to Oakland.

I watched Aldon closely last game...that dude is a shell of himself and it's the least effort I've ever seen from him (half effort). Getting blocked out 1on1 now. Don't feel too bad...it sucks as to what could have been but Aldon is not Aldon.

Originally posted by Niners816:

Giants really played this FB slide nice.

Watch pears drop his head and wife on the block forces Kaps to scramble fast and play over before it ever had a chance.

Originally posted by Brewcrew:
Watch pears drop his head and wife on the block forces Kaps to scramble fast and play over before it ever had a chance.

Celek missed his block a lot worse

Originally posted by SoCold:


was this the shovel toss after he already steps out of bounds?

why this dude can't just throw the ball away is disturbing

still not sure why he isn't more willing to throw the ball away in situations where he's gonna run out of bounds short of the line. I know we've all seen it happen over...and over...and over again. It really skews the numbers too, because it makes our O-line look worse as it counts as a sack. So, last season, we had sack numbers in the 50's, but that looks worse than it was. Because he ran out of bounds for a sack at least 10 times.

Originally posted by Brewcrew:

Watch pears drop his head and wife on the block forces Kaps to scramble fast and play over before it ever had a chance.

He blew it, but they had everything else covered up. A lot of times that FB is left unaccounted for. They flow of the plays is suppose to keep the defense honest, but the Giants weren't having and sniffed out the slide nicely.

Originally posted by SoCold:

was this the shovel toss after he already steps out of bounds?

why this dude can't just throw the ball away is disturbing

He shouldve thrown the ball to the WR at the top. He couldve placed the ball between the Wr and side lines and either the WR makes the catch or its incomplete.

Originally posted by InsertNameHere:

Originally posted by SoCold:


was this the shovel toss after he already steps out of bounds?

why this dude can't just throw the ball away is disturbing

He shouldve thrown the ball to the WR at the top. He couldve placed the ball between the Wr and side lines and either the WR makes the catch or its incomplete.

If the Giants were playing more of a flat zone cover 2 - I would say yes, but they're playing a soft 2 zone. That makes that hole much smaller and deeper down the field. There have been many, many a quarterback who thought they could hit that shot and got picked off. I remember seeing Romo, Cutler, Big Ben, and Flacco all get picked off trying to make that same throw against that same coverage. And all those guys(except Romo) has just about as big an arm as Kaep(Romo would be about the same because of his lightning quick release). The safety doesn't close his hips to the outside streak until Kaep already starts moving out of the pocket. So, he'd be able to break on the route the moment the throwing motion starts. From the start of the throwing motion through the arrival of the ball, you're probably talking 2 seconds or so. That'd be enough time for an NFL safety to close on the ball - IMO. I think this was just a case of the defense winning the call. By the the concept, I'd say we were expecting either cover 2 zone(flat) or, more likely, cover 3 zone. If it were cover 3 zone, boldin would've been wide open.

Originally posted by Brewcrew:
Watch pears drop his head and wife on the block forces Kaps to scramble fast and play over before it ever had a chance.

Celek (I believe) jumped inside and allowed his guy a clear shot to Kaepernick...didn't really matter what any one else did.

Edit: rewatching this play, over and over and over, I don't get what the linemen were thinking. Pears penetrated almost to second level allowing his guy to move around him, Celek jumped left allowing his guy a clear path. Were they trying to sell a run play up the middle?

Originally posted by communist:
Guys, would you mind to tell me your impressions Tiller and Devey made on you? Overall, strengths/weaknesses? in case of Devey, improvements?

I liked Tiller last year and thought he'd make the team at least as a backup. In the last game he scored bit higher than Devey in both pass blocking and run blocking, seemed much stronger and able to maintain position on his guy. One of the brief video clips showed him using a strong punch to stop the DTs progress and allow him to keep him from penetrating. Not a big fan of Devey and couldn't understand how he could come in and start mid-preseason over Tiller and Looney.

Tiller is an over acheiver and has worked hard to be effective. Devey seems more fluid in pulling...though I may be biased by Tiller being tripped by Martin.

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