Week 6 Balt Ravens coaches film analysis thread

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by JDMathews49ers:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by thl408:
The backside WR is Torrey. You can tell by his stance. He always hunches his back like that. A lot of weight on his front foot to push off.


The deep safety shades to the concept side when he sees Kap look to there. Otherwise, my guess is he favors Torrey's side since by this point in the game, Torrey already caught the long bomb.

Makes sense the split end being TS.

From the gif, about a split second after the hitch he is sacked. So it looks like he wouldn't have had time to go backside.

You know my thoughts about kap going backside too much....,but given that it's was TS and the movement safety made by looking at kap, had he had time to look off I think we would've loved the results.

That was my point. The safety followed Kap's eyes. If Kap goes backside the entire time, I don't there's a play to be had there. Now going forward with better pass protection, that play may be there for something more.

Right. Here is a similar play where Kap looks concept side first, it moves the single deep safety, then Kap looks backside and the Deep In route is available - because the deep safety was moved.

yeah but Kap is a 1-read QB. smh

Originally posted by defenderDX:

looks like this one







http://jameslightfootball.com/2015/04/04/jim-harbaughs-passing-concepts-part-1/

The are both a part of the slant-flat family of plays. I believe the difference is in 360 you have two sets of slant-flats with the hook settling over the middle. On 384 dragon, you have one guaranteed slant-flat on the flanker side and before you get it on the SE side the back has blocking responsibility before leaking out. The play Thl gif'D from Sunday looked like 360.

Originally posted by thl408:
This play wasn't that significant in the game, but since the play art was posted (thanks 816), I'll show Kap hitting his progressions.


2Q 1st & 10
Versus Cover 6. This is a good defensive playcall against what the 49ers have dialed up. A right handed QB will naturally look to his right first, which is the side that BAL is playing Cover2 zone. Cover2 Zone works well against 3 step drop concepts as the WRs aren't far downfield and the zone defenders can watch the QB hit his third step (plant step) and jump the short routes being ran.


Kap reads the strongside Curl defender (blue) and knows that it's zone coverage. Kap will red light both the slant and the flat route to the strongside.


Kap looks to the 'sit down' (curl) route that is designed to find the soft spot between zone defenders in the middle of the field.


Just a +4 yard gain, but this concept is a pure ball control passing play. Short passes to 'replace' the run game. WCO stuff.

that's a 5-step drop. Kap seems to gallop when he drops back. ugly to watch

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by mattster03:

Originally posted by thl408:
Just to finish the thought, Torrey had been running a bunch of curls in the 1st quarter. Now it's time to set up the CB with a double move. We've seen it already so I'll just post the gif.

I love the prior setup curl routes to make this play happen.

Roman would have done the curls routes, then moved Torrey Smith to the left on a different corner, put Boldin on the right and ran the out and up with Boldin which would not fool the CB at all.

no he wouldn't have, lol. Roman never had a toy like Torrey. not even close.

Originally posted by thl408:
Starting to get a sense for the sheer volume of the defensive playbook. Not only are there many coverages to know, it's the assignments for what to do pre-snap, such as fake pressure. What do the safeties show pre-snap. Post snap rotations for the safeties. All the different blitz packages from LBs, slot CBs, safeties. They do run stunts. The playbook must be like a phonebook.

where was the definitive pattern matching you saw that looked reminiscent of Fangio's? forgive me if I missed it in here already

Originally posted by defenderDX:
no he wouldn't have, lol. Roman never had a toy like Torrey. not even close.

randy moss?

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by defenderDX:
no he wouldn't have, lol. Roman never had a toy like Torrey. not even close.

randy moss?

nope. torrey a true deep threat. moss didnt have the speed with us.

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by defenderDX:
no he wouldn't have, lol. Roman never had a toy like Torrey. not even close.

randy moss?

nope. torrey a true deep threat. moss didnt have the speed with us.

Moss definitely still had speed. not sure what youre talking about

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by defenderDX:
no he wouldn't have, lol. Roman never had a toy like Torrey. not even close.

randy moss?

nope. torrey a true deep threat. moss didnt have the speed with us.

Moss definitely still had speed. not sure what youre talking about

not the speed that Torrey has now.

Originally posted by defenderDX:

not the speed that Torrey has now.

Moss demanded respect, but a Torrey Smith in his prime> a 37 yr old Moss

Originally posted by defenderDX:
where was the definitive pattern matching you saw that looked reminiscent of Fangio's? forgive me if I missed it in here already

3Q 1st & 10
Vertical stretch vs Cover 6 (Bethea in Quarters, Reid Cover2). Acker reads #1. Bethea reads #2.


Acker: match #1 if #1 breaks out or vertical.
#3 (red) crosses the center line and is now Bow's man coverage assignment. Wilhoite is free to drop to zone coverage and help underneath.


Bethea has gained no depth while reading #1. This reduces the space in between the LB level and safety level.


#1 breaks inside. Bethea will match. Acker drops to zone.


Vertical stretch, flood concept defeated.


No pass rush, but Flacco finds no one open. Scrambles left and throws it away out of bounds.

Originally posted by NikeSBHead:

Originally posted by defenderDX:
not the speed that Torrey has now.

Moss demanded respect, but a Torrey Smith in his prime> a 37 yr old Moss

Ted Ginn = nothing but fly sweeps.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by defenderDX:
where was the definitive pattern matching you saw that looked reminiscent of Fangio's? forgive me if I missed it in here already

3Q 1st & 10
Vertical stretch vs Cover 6 (Bethea in Quarters, Reid Cover2). Acker reads #1. Bethea reads #2.


Acker: match #1 if #1 breaks out or vertical.
#3 (red) crosses the center line and is now Bow's man coverage assignment. Wilhoite is free to drop to zone coverage and help underneath.


Bethea has gained no depth while reading #1. This reduces the space in between the LB level and safety level.


#1 breaks inside. Bethea will match. Acker drops to zone.


Vertical stretch, flood concept defeated.


No pass rush, but Flacco finds no one open. Scrambles left and throws it away out of bounds.

yup! IIRC there was one other like this, I'll try and find it, if I can.

Here's one of the other ones I saw that reminded me a lot of Fangio's defense: 14:17 3rd QTR


We show the off coverage quarters look, like we did under Fangio. Balt. motions a receiver across the formation.


The Ravens run PA, but you see the token, one safety up, one down trademark of the pattern matching. If you watch Alabama play, their safeties do that all the time. It's pattern-matching like Fangio when you see Reid taking that seam drop, not retreating to center-field. Brock takes the receiver on a vertical release, but hands off the receiver on anything breaking in shorter than 10 yards.


You see Bethea with the flat footed read and Brock is watching for a vertical release. He see's the receiver pushing in and knows it's not his man. Also, note how Reid isn't taking a middle 3rd drop. Brooks gets the edge on the T and applies pressure to Flacco.


Flacco dumps it off to his TE(it may have been a blown up TE screen play) and they gain 2 yards.

Here's yet another example of how we ran a pattern match much like Fangio, this actually looks a lot like how we ran it with Culliver, sometimes: 7:02 3rd QTR


all the routes are done in different colors - taking a page from Thl, I did it for ease of eyesight. Note the quarters alignment from the DB's with Reid playing deeper than Bethea. Balt. motions a TE across the formation.


I've highlighted the responsibilities of the underneath defenders and how they're checking the receivers in zone - this is textbook Saban pattern-match. anything vertical or inside breaking, you pass it off, as the outside defender. Brooks checks the vertical release and Bow picks it up, Wilhoite checks the inside release and passes it off to Brooks. You also see Bethea with his shorter, flat foot read, while Reid is dropping back as well as Brock after reading the vertical release.


Here you see the pattern-match zone and passing off working beautifully to cover all the receivers. The drag isn't open, Saban designed it so that the drag route would be a "trap" throw. That it would appear open as it's passed off and the interior defender taking the vertical release, but the backside defender is taught to jump that route, so, they are trying to bait the QB for that throw.


The breakdown we have in coverage is that Bethea reads the TE and jumps a potential in-cutting route. He ignores the RB coming out of the backfield, or never see's him, thinking he's in pass pro. But, the RB was on a check/release and without any kind of pass rush threat, he releases freely into the pattern.


You see Bethea driving on the TE while the RB is threatening his area.


With no pressure to speak of, Flacco checks it down to his RB for an 8 yard gain on 2nd and 8. Here's a situation where the pass rush failed the coverage.