Week 6 Balt Ravens coaches film analysis thread

Originally posted by sf_49ers_49:
In general, how have the defensive line scheme changed from Fangio? Have the nose tackles and defensive ends been playing two gaps or one gap? I know the ILBs are as good as prior years, but how is the DL doing in run defense so far this season?

I see them two gapping just like Fangio's. When in the base 3-4, they are lining up in the usual 4-0-4 tech alignment and at the snap, I see them not firing upfield - typical two gapping behavior. I admit I haven't watched the line play nearly as much because I have been fixated on Mangini's coverages, but off the top of my head, I'd rank the three starters from best to worst as Ian, Dial, Dorsey. Only because it seems more successful run plays go to Dorsey's side, but again, I am not positive my assessment is accurate. I really like Ian as a run stopper. Appears strong at the point of attack. Dorsey, I felt good going into the season that he would be a rock run stopper. Doesn't seem as good as I remembered.

Originally posted by thl408:
I'm at work so I can't post much at the moment. But here it is for the lulz.

This is Flacco in mid windup.


This is when Acker makes the catch. Notice how little Acker had to move. Then notice how there was no route in the area code when Flacco threw it up.


Fire zone blitz. No one blocks Brooks, who is able to apply immediate pressure. My guess is the RB should have gone up the sidelines after the run fake, but doesn't.

was like a PUNT

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by thl408:
I'm at work so I can't post much at the moment. But here it is for the lulz.

This is Flacco in mid windup.


This is when Acker makes the catch. Notice how little Acker had to move. Then notice how there was no route in the area code when Flacco threw it up.


Fire zone blitz. No one blocks Brooks, who is able to apply immediate pressure. My guess is the RB should have gone up the sidelines after the run fake, but doesn't.

was like a PUNT

i lolzed live when i saw that play in the stadium. all acker had to do was wave for a fair catch and i would have thought it was a punt

Want to rewind a bit and go back to the second drive of the game. Up to this point in the game, Kap's passes were:
1. WR screen to Boldin
2. WR screen to Torrey
3. Slide concept to Boldin (post#5)
4. Slice concept to Vance (post#27)
5. Swing pass to Hyde as a hot read
6. Playaction roll left - flood concept (pass incomplete)
7. Go route to Patton up the sideline (pass incomplete)

So that's a lot of short throws to the flat. Geep, again, making an effort to get Kap in a groove with some easy throws/reads.
This is the first play of the 2nd drive.
Anothe slide concept, but dressed up a bit differently with Miller in the offset I. Versus some sort of cover3 shell.


Playaction left as Miller fakes the backside block. The fake block stuns the backside run force defender. The playaction stuns the weakside LB (blue).


Miller leaks out, the throw is on target and allow for RAC. +28 yards. Also, make note of the deep curl route by Torrey.

This is the following play after Miller's +28 gain. Another(!) slide concept. At this point, BAL isn't falling for it anymore. Just take note of the route Torrey runs (backside WR) - another deep curl. Thrown out of bounds. Incomplete pass.

What would be the trade off in run support if we started tank and AA?

Originally posted by thl408:

Want to rewind a bit and go back to the second drive of the game. Up to this point in the game, Kap's passes were:
1. WR screen to Boldin
2. WR screen to Torrey
3. Slide concept to Boldin (post#5)
4. Slice concept to Vance (post#27)
5. Swing pass to Hyde as a hot read
6. Playaction roll left - flood concept (pass incomplete)
7. Go route to Patton up the sideline (pass incomplete)

So that's a lot of short throws to the flat. Geep, again, making an effort to get Kap in a groove with some easy throws/reads.
This is the first play of the 2nd drive.
Anothe slide concept, but dressed up a bit differently with Miller in the offset I. Versus some sort of cover3 shell.


Playaction left as Miller fakes the backside block. The fake block stuns the backside run force defender. The playaction stuns the weakside LB (blue).


Miller leaks out, the throw is on target and allow for RAC. +28 yards. Also, make note of the deep curl route by Torrey.

I've got this exact play right out of the 1994 playbook....,right down to the formation, just flip it.

Here's the first non-flood, non-quick read pass play, and it's a near INT.
Sucker concept to the left (zone buster) + Spot concept to the right (triangle stretch).
versus Cover 1 blitz
1Q 3rd & 6


Kap takes the snap and looks to Boldin. BAL has good coverage on both sides. Kap throws as if he expected Boldin to run a slant, while Bolding runs a curl.


Field Goal

Originally posted by jreff22:
What would be the trade off in run support if we started tank and AA?

I haven't watched Tank or AA in run support.

3rd drive of the game (3-0 49ers)

1st play
More working of the flats. Slant-flat concept on a 3 step drop.
versus Fire zone blitz


Kap reads the kep defender (blue) who takes a straight path into his zone. This blocks the passing lane to the slant (Boldin).


Kap targets the Flat (Miller).


+9 yards. Quick 3 step drops from under center allows Kap to see the defense the entire time instead of taking his eyes off the field to secure a shotgun/pistol snap.


After an incomplete pass to Celek over the middle (pass batted at the LoS). The deep pass to Miller happens. All that working of the flats allowed for a deep route to Miller to catch BAL by surprise. The 49ers probably only had one shot at that play (Miller going deep) because it won't catch BAL by surprise a second time.

Originally posted by thl408:
Here's the first non-flood, non-quick read pass play, and it's a near INT.
Sucker concept to the left (zone buster) + Spot concept to the right (triangle stretch).
versus Cover 1 blitz
1Q 3rd & 6


Kap takes the snap and looks to Boldin. BAL has good coverage on both sides. Kap throws as if he expected Boldin to run a slant, while Bolding runs a curl.


Field Goal

Kap shouldn't have even thrown it to the left side since it was straight up man coverage while the side was a zone buster

This is why I think VD DGAF. Hopefully it's just the injury.

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by thl408:
Here's the first non-flood, non-quick read pass play, and it's a near INT.
Sucker concept to the left (zone buster) + Spot concept to the right (triangle stretch).
versus Cover 1 blitz
1Q 3rd & 6


Kap takes the snap and looks to Boldin. BAL has good coverage on both sides. Kap throws as if he expected Boldin to run a slant, while Bolding runs a curl.


Field Goal

Kap shouldn't have even thrown it to the left side since it was straight up man coverage while the side was a zone buster

Agree, but he wouldn't have found anything open on the other side either. But yes, he looked to the zone buster. The correct throw, 'on the whiteboard', would be the Corner route, but Celek can't threaten deep. So the question becomes, "why is Celek running the vertical route and VD running the curl?".

Originally posted by jonnydel:



The OLB is in a tough spot, he's forced to choose between CK or McD and goes after CK.

I'm curious about the decision the OLB has to make in this spot because this is a situation that seems to come up for all teams in virtually all games. I see this exact catch 22 decision almost weekly. I know it is a no win situation here, but is there an action the OLB is "supposed" to take in this spot or is it something that would vary from coach to coach? Is it merely just an example of the QB breaking contain when the d-line needs to keep that contain to help the OLB?

My other thought is that this is just an example of a rollout called against a defensive play not designed to defend the rollout. Sometimes the defense gets caught and that's just how the game goes.

Originally posted by thl408:

3rd drive of the game (3-0 49ers)

1st play
More working of the flats. Slant-flat concept on a 3 step drop.
versus Fire zone blitz


Kap reads the kep defender (blue) who takes a straight path into his zone. This blocks the passing lane to the slant (Boldin).


Kap targets the Flat (Miller).


+9 yards. Quick 3 step drops from under center allows Kap to see the defense the entire time instead of taking his eyes off the field to secure a shotgun/pistol snap.

After an incomplete pass to Celek over the middle (pass batted at the LoS). The deep pass to Miller happens. All that working of the flats allowed for a deep route to Miller to catch BAL by surprise. The 49ers probably only had one shot at that play (Miller going deep) because it won't catch BAL by surprise a second time.

We were dusting off the old WCO plays. 1994 again, notice the progression....we just run everything out of broken I forms (strong and weak)