Week 6 Balt Ravens coaches film analysis thread

Originally posted by thl408:

Just to finish the thought, Torrey had been running a bunch of curls in the 1st quarter. Now it's time to set up the CB with a double move. We've seen it already so I'll just post the gif.]

That is a f**king rope...Helleva throw!

Originally posted by sf_49ers_49:
In general, how have the defensive line scheme changed from Fangio? Have the nose tackles and defensive ends been playing two gaps or one gap? I know the ILBs are as good as prior years, but how is the DL doing in run defense so far this season?

They're playing 2 gap, Williams is doing a pretty darn good job in the run game, just not getting any sort of interior rush. I would Dorsey is doing well, and Dial is lagging behind the two. What I don't think he's doing a tremendous job of, is keeping his LB's clean. Here's an example from last game. 8:53 1st QTR


Balt is going to run a stretch right, off tackle run. Should look very familiar, as we run this a lot as well.


Dial was just a step slow off the snap, he should be firing out, at minimum, to the T's inside shoulder. Ideally, you'd like to see him reach the guard - that's what J. Smith was able to do. That way, you'll eat up two blockers. I remember hearing Warren Sapp talk about the need to do that on stretch plays, the T is going to block that 4 or 5 tech, so you, as the DT, have to reach for that G to take on a double team. Instead, Dial takes the T's outside shoulder.


You see him take on the T's outside shoulder, this free's up the G to move to the 2nd level on Bow. Dorsey does a good job of eating up two blockers on the play side and Williams does a good job of standing his man up and watching for the ball.


Dial then lets the T go - for some reason, that's not his job. He needs to keep his LB's clean, that's his primary job. The guard tries to cut block Bow and Bow does a great job of avoiding the cut block. The RG peels off Dorsey and tries to move to the 2nd level, but he was delayed in doing so, which allowed Wilhoite to fill the gap. Then, Dorsey has still done such a good job, the FB has to help the RT. So, at this point in the play, Dorsey has occupied 3 blockers at one time or another.


Forsett presses the hole and now the RT is able to peel back on Bow. Dial should've kept his man engaged, and then Forsett wouldn't have had anywhere to go. You see Williams flash some color inside, then watch for the ball carrier to make his cut.


Because the LT is free to peel back on Bow, it creates a cutback lane. Williams did a great job of standing his man up and watching for the ball carrier, so he's swung back around to where the runner is coming.


Bow still, somehow, gets past his 2nd blocker and he and Williams make the tackle. However, it's still a 7 yard gain. 7 yard gains allowed, esp. against the Seahawks - who run the same run scheme, will get you killed. This is a 7 yard gain off RT, but, it's really on Dial.

This play wasn't that significant in the game, but since the play art was posted (thanks 816), I'll show Kap hitting his progressions.


2Q 1st & 10
Versus Cover 6. This is a good defensive playcall against what the 49ers have dialed up. A right handed QB will naturally look to his right first, which is the side that BAL is playing Cover2 zone. Cover2 Zone works well against 3 step drop concepts as the WRs aren't far downfield and the zone defenders can watch the QB hit his third step (plant step) and jump the short routes being ran.


Kap reads the strongside Curl defender (blue) and knows that it's zone coverage. Kap will red light both the slant and the flat route to the strongside.


Kap looks to the 'sit down' (curl) route that is designed to find the soft spot between zone defenders in the middle of the field.


Just a +4 yard gain, but this concept is a pure ball control passing play. Short passes to 'replace' the run game. WCO stuff.

Originally posted by thl408:
The backside WR is Torrey. You can tell by his stance. He always hunches his back like that. A lot of weight on his front foot to push off.


The deep safety shades to the concept side when he sees Kap look to there. Otherwise, my guess is he favors Torrey's side since by this point in the game, Torrey already caught the long bomb.

Interesting and realistic that the FS commits 100% to the side Kap is looking at. If he looks the FS off, then Torrey is wide open on an anticipated throw. To me, since Kap hitched twice before the rush got there, he had PLENTY of time to execute this play if he reads the FS off.

If the FS doesn't commit to the left, then it is an easy deep pass to Boldin. Honestly, Vernon shouldn't have even been an option here considering the coverage BAL was playing.

I love this thread. thank you for your insight (and respect for each other)!

I feel like a first grader reading a thesis. I'm getting some aspects but some going over my head

Originally posted by thl408:
Just to finish the thought, Torrey had been running a bunch of curls in the 1st quarter. Now it's time to set up the CB with a double move. We've seen it already so I'll just post the gif.

I love the prior setup curl routes to make this play happen.

Originally posted by mattster03:

Originally posted by thl408:
Just to finish the thought, Torrey had been running a bunch of curls in the 1st quarter. Now it's time to set up the CB with a double move. We've seen it already so I'll just post the gif.

I love the prior setup curl routes to make this play happen.

Roman would have done the curls routes, then moved Torrey Smith to the left on a different corner, put Boldin on the right and ran the out and up with Boldin which would not fool the CB at all.

Originally posted by thl408:

This play wasn't that significant in the game, but since the play art was posted (thanks 816), I'll show Kap hitting his progressions.


2Q 1st & 10
Versus Cover 6. This is a good defensive playcall against what the 49ers have dialed up. A right handed QB will naturally look to his right first, which is the side that BAL is playing Cover2 zone. Cover2 Zone works well against 3 step drop concepts as the WRs aren't far downfield and the zone defenders can watch the QB hit his third step (plant step) and jump the short routes being ran.


Kap reads the strongside Curl defender (blue) and knows that it's zone coverage. Kap will red light both the slant and the flat route to the strongside.


Kap looks to the 'sit down' (curl) route that is designed to find the soft spot between zone defenders in the middle of the field.


Just a +4 yard gain, but this concept is a pure ball control passing play. Short passes to 'replace' the run game. WCO stuff]

It's basically mindset of winning every play how ever you can. Bill Walsh's big metaphor was beating the opponent to the punch. You do this enough it leads to night completion % and hopefully more and easier first downs.

So many arrows and circles,my brain is exploding.

Here's an example of a couple things. 1. How valuable Williams is in the run game. 2. Why Williams and either Dorsey or Dial are in the game for our Nickel package.


This look will be reminiscent of the Fangio era when most teams had stopped trying to run on is in our base 3-4 and were trying to run against our nickel package. Similar play to the previous cutup I showed, a stretch off-tackle run. Williams is the DT on the right side, highlighted in yellow


This time, at the snap, Dial takes a better angle and occupies the RG inside shoulder. Williams also stands his guy up and Brooks sets the edge well.


Williams does a great job of staying low and eating up a double team. Brooks does the same thing. This leaves our LB's clean to scrape and pursue the ball.


You see how the double teams allow our LB's to scrape and fill the holes.


Forsett has no where to go and gets swallowed up for a 1 yard gain. That's good run D.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
They're playing 2 gap, Williams is doing a pretty darn good job in the run game, just not getting any sort of interior rush. I would Dorsey is doing well, and Dial is lagging behind the two. What I don't think he's doing a tremendous job of, is keeping his LB's clean. Here's an example from last game. 8:53 1st QTR


Balt is going to run a stretch right, off tackle run. Should look very familiar, as we run this a lot as well.


Dial was just a step slow off the snap, he should be firing out, at minimum, to the T's inside shoulder. Ideally, you'd like to see him reach the guard - that's what J. Smith was able to do. That way, you'll eat up two blockers. I remember hearing Warren Sapp talk about the need to do that on stretch plays, the T is going to block that 4 or 5 tech, so you, as the DT, have to reach for that G to take on a double team. Instead, Dial takes the T's outside shoulder.


You see him take on the T's outside shoulder, this free's up the G to move to the 2nd level on Bow. Dorsey does a good job of eating up two blockers on the play side and Williams does a good job of standing his man up and watching for the ball.


Dial then lets the T go - for some reason, that's not his job. He needs to keep his LB's clean, that's his primary job. The guard tries to cut block Bow and Bow does a great job of avoiding the cut block. The RG peels off Dorsey and tries to move to the 2nd level, but he was delayed in doing so, which allowed Wilhoite to fill the gap. Then, Dorsey has still done such a good job, the FB has to help the RT. So, at this point in the play, Dorsey has occupied 3 blockers at one time or another.


Forsett presses the hole and now the RT is able to peel back on Bow. Dial should've kept his man engaged, and then Forsett wouldn't have had anywhere to go. You see Williams flash some color inside, then watch for the ball carrier to make his cut.


Because the LT is free to peel back on Bow, it creates a cutback lane. Williams did a great job of standing his man up and watching for the ball carrier, so he's swung back around to where the runner is coming.


Bow still, somehow, gets past his 2nd blocker and he and Williams make the tackle. However, it's still a 7 yard gain. 7 yard gains allowed, esp. against the Seahawks - who run the same run scheme, will get you killed. This is a 7 yard gain off RT, but, it's really on Dial.

Nice cut up of what a 3-4 DE needs to do, even as a backside defender. He never should look to make the play, just enable the LBs to make the play. I agree Ian has been the best run defender of the three. How do you think Dorsey has done compared to how RayMac was playing the run?

Originally posted by thl408:


Nice cut up of what a 3-4 DE needs to do, even as a backside defender. He never should look to make the play, just enable the LBs to make the play. I agree Ian has been the best run defender of the three. How do you think Dorsey has done compared to how RayMac was playing the run?

Dafuq is Wilhoite doing? That's some solid two-gapping right there, the backside is contained (and had a chance to even make it a no-gainer) but Wilhoite looks like he's set so far back, almost anticipating a pass and then when he sees the run, does NOTHING but allows himself to get blocked out at the next level. Wilhoite has to get up in that hole and blow that up IMHO.

Credit to the Ravens...that is massive line and they've been zone blocking for a bit with Forsett. Nice gain.

Originally posted by thl408:


Nice cut up of what a 3-4 DE needs to do, even as a backside defender. He never should look to make the play, just enable the LBs to make the play. I agree Ian has been the best run defender of the three. How do you think Dorsey has done compared to how RayMac was playing the run?

I'd say it's about a wash. I think RayMac was a little stouter in the upper body, so he was able to bench press the O-lineman more.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Dafuq is Wilhoite doing? That's some solid two-gapping right there, the backside is contained (and had a chance to even make it a no-gainer) but Wilhoite looks like he's set so far back, almost anticipating a pass and then when he sees the run, does NOTHING but allows himself to get blocked out at the next level. Wilhoite has to get up in that hole and blow that up IMHO.

Credit to the Ravens...that is massive line and they've been zone blocking for a bit with Forsett. Nice gain.

that's been who I've seen out of Wilhoite. I thought, after the Minn game, that he was gonna be more aggressive and hit the holes harder. But, he's still a little hesitant. We miss P-willy a LOT out there. I think some fans got too spoiled with him when he was here and didn't appreciate him as much. He was an upper echelon talent, but was still willing to do all the dirty work in there to help Bow make plays. He was also our man-coverage LB. He was often the one covering TE's so that Bow was free to roam the middle of the field(a lot of teams had to keep a RB in to help block, which free'd up Bow to lurk).

Originally posted by jonnydel:
I'd say it's about a wash. I think RayMac was a little stouter in the upper body, so he was able to bench press the O-lineman more.

That sounds about right...think RayMac had a bit more pass rush too BUT then again, I haven't seen the DE's released too much in a single gap to fully evaluate Dorsey in this area.

Looking forward to AA...two-gaping is his specialty and I think he can add a bit more pocket collapse and pass rush as well. Just has to work on discipline and consistency.