Week 6 Balt Ravens coaches film analysis thread

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Dafuq is Wilhoite doing? That's some solid two-gapping right there, the backside is contained (and had a chance to even make it a no-gainer) but Wilhoite looks like he's set so far back, almost anticipating a pass and then when he sees the run, does NOTHING but allows himself to get blocked out at the next level. Wilhoite has to get up in that hole and blow that up IMHO.

Credit to the Ravens...that is massive line and they've been zone blocking for a bit with Forsett. Nice gain.

that's been who I've seen out of Wilhoite. I thought, after the Minn game, that he was gonna be more aggressive and hit the holes harder. But, he's still a little hesitant. We miss P-willy a LOT out there. I think some fans got too spoiled with him when he was here and didn't appreciate him as much. He was an upper echelon talent, but was still willing to do all the dirty work in there to help Bow make plays. He was also our man-coverage LB. He was often the one covering TE's so that Bow was free to roam the middle of the field(a lot of teams had to keep a RB in to help block, which free'd up Bow to lurk).

No question. Wilhoite is an above average, maybe slightly above average SAM, but when you go from a healthy Willis to him, it's really apparent to see.

I genuinely (right or wrong) had it in my head we would use more 3 and 4-safety looks (sub him out a lot) and with a full off season knowing he'd be the starter, I figured he'd have a better year than last which would have been legit.

Hmmmm.


BTW: How did the football game go?

Here's a play that never should've happened. It's a big chunkyard gain by SS. These chunk yards given up in the passing game are killers and are driving me insane to watch. Esp. when there's not sane reason why it should be happening other than either pure execution screw ups. 6:25 2nd QTR


The Ravens come out in "12" personnel, 1 back, 2 TE's. So, we're in our base 3-4. We're going to blitz Bow up the middle and play cover 4 behind it. This is another example of how Mangini likes to disguise his coverages. He shows a cover 6 look, then we're going to play cover 4. Balt. max protects on this play. So, they only have 2 receivers running out on the play. It's designed to SS all the way.


Balt. runs a PA, then max protects. You see the 4 defensive backs dropping in a quarters coverage. With Acker having played press, he's on his horse to keep up with the WR.


Here, you can, pretty clearly, see the cover 4. With the 3 underneath zone defenders and the quarters cover DB's.


Reid does a good job of turning his head and identifying the seam threat and takes off to then bracket the WR. Bethea see's the DIG from SS and presses the route. The one thing that doesn't make any sense is, Brock keeps drifting down the field after SS breaks inside. Why?? There's no way, at this point, that if the other receiver crossed the field that he'd be in any position to make a play; and besides, we already have him bracketed. He should lock onto the only other receiver on the field. But, he doesn't....


As Brock continues to drift back, SS pulls his double move, back outside and you see all the space there is to throw to, esp. with Brock's hips turned.


SS then catches the ball 10 yards in front of Brock.

After a catch and short run, it's a 26 yard gain....maddening...

Originally posted by NCommand:
No question. Wilhoite is an above average, maybe slightly above average SAM, but when you go from a healthy Willis to him, it's really apparent to see.

I genuinely (right or wrong) had it in my head we would use more 3 and 4-safety looks (sub him out a lot) and with a full off season knowing he'd be the starter, I figured he'd have a better year than last which would have been legit.

Hmmmm.


BTW: How did the football game go?

we play at 3:00 CST on Saturday. It was practice last night.

Some notes from practice:
Worked on open field blocking with our RB's and WR's. Getting to a space and sealing off the defender from there.
worked on route running with our WR's and RB's and QB footwork
D-line, worked on standing their men up and watching for the ball
Also worked on blocking schemes against various fronts.

Thanks for showing that Brock play. That was the main play from this game that made me say Brock is not a good zone defender. Even when playing spot dropping zone, a defender can't just drop to a spot and say "I'm done". Look around, be spatially aware of what routes are threats. Know where your help is. Gain more depth, or less depth, depending on the situation. Understand if you are free to leave your zone. In Brock's defense, he has never played this much zone before.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
we play at 3:00 CST on Saturday. It was practice last night.

Some notes from practice:
Worked on open field blocking with our RB's and WR's. Getting to a space and sealing off the defender from there.
worked on route running with our WR's and RB's and QB footwork
D-line, worked on standing their men up and watching for the ball
Also worked on blocking schemes against various fronts.

Nice. Best of luck to you guys!

The Ravens game had a unique angle...we exactly knew what their CB (Wright) would do in certain situations and more importantly, his limitations. It's almost like he was planted in the other team by the 49ers. The guy was single handedly responsible for 50% of the 49ers points.
This rare situation doesn't arise every week, and the Seattle secondary...or for that matter most teams' secondary, is much better.

Originally posted by 49ersking:
The Ravens game had a unique angle...we exactly knew what their CB (Wright) would do in certain situations and more importantly, his limitations. It's almost like he was planted in the other team by the 49ers. The guy was single handedly responsible for 50% of the 49ers points.
This rare situation doesn't arise every week, and the Seattle secondary...or for that matter most teams' secondary, is much better.

We're going to do the same to them but with Ricardo Lockette.

Since the 49ers won, I won't b***h about Mangini. So I'll just mention some of the funky coverages he played when he sent 3 pass rushers. My first post mentioned him playing a 2-4-2 zone, but I wasn't able to locate that play again. Maybe I was imagining things. But here are a few coverages that doesn't show up in every defensive playbook. I forgot to note the down and distances when these plays took place.

This is what a team will normally do if they drop 8. They play a Cover3 with 5 underneath defenders. Orange is underneath, blue is deep zones.
1Q

Thl and jonny.

If you had to grade our defensive players in order(role players included) who are our worst and best and in what order?

Genius coverage #1


I didn't make a gif for this, but Flacco has taken his 5 step dorp back + 2 hitches, so the coverage is developed. It's like a 3-2-3 zone or something. Notice how the defenders are staggered in layers. The 2 intermediate zones (two guys on the 37 yard line) cover the lanes exposed by the 3 deep and 3 underneath defenders.

Genius coverage #2


The two CBs are in man coverage. Everyone else is zoned up, I think. It's like a 4-2-2 alignment.


Flacco almost completed it to the weakside Deep In route. bad throw.

Originally posted by thl408:
Genius coverage #1


I didn't make a gif for this, but Flacco has taken his 5 step dorp back + 2 hitches, so the coverage is developed. It's like a 3-2-3 zone or something. Notice how the defenders are staggered in layers. The 2 intermediate zones (two guys on the 37 yard line) cover the lanes exposed by the 3 deep and 3 underneath defenders.

Glad you pointed this play out - it was one of the coverages I was thinking about when I mentioned in my OP that was something I've never seen before. I had to take a double look at the play pre-snap when I watched it. Cause I saw the 2 outside guys pressed but the 3 deep alignment. I went, "huh??". But, I have to give it to him, it's creative.

Genius Coverage #3


It's a 2-3-3 alignment (2 flats, 3 intermediate, 3 deep)...or something. idk


Watch Acker (the RCB). He actually matches up to a WR. Flacco doesn't know what to do and rolls right and throws it away.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

we play at 3:00 CST on Saturday. It was practice last night.

Some notes from practice:
Worked on open field blocking with our RB's and WR's. Getting to a space and sealing off the defender from there.
worked on route running with our WR's and RB's and QB footwork
D-line, worked on standing their men up and watching for the ball
Also worked on blocking schemes against various fronts.

What's your guys philosophy on offense and defense?

Originally posted by thl408:
Genius coverage #2


The two CBs are in man coverage. Everyone else is zoned up, I think. It's like a 4-2-2 alignment.


Flacco almost completed it to the weakside Deep In route. bad throw.

haha, and another one that I hadn't seen before that I was thinking about. If you watch the endzone camera, you can clearly see both Bow and Wilhoite motion an alert for the crossing defenders out of their zones - clearly indicating that they're in zone coverage. But, the inside and trail techniques of the corners are clear indicators of zone. It's an interesting hybrid. You're right, too, Acker nearly blows his coverage, if it weren't for the poor throw(though, from the endzone camera, it looked like Wilhoite's presence made Flacco overthrow it a little bit, because of the 2 wide safeties, that ball has to be on a line, so he had to throw it on a line, over Wilhoite, even though Wilhoite wasn't dropped very deep, I still think it affected the throw).