Week 6 Balt Ravens coaches film analysis thread

With all the WR screens and throws to the flat, I want them to take a page out of the NO and SEA playbook where it looks like a WR screen, but the outside WR instead of blocks, runs a streak down the side line

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Glad you pointed this play out - it was one of the coverages I was thinking about when I mentioned in my OP that was something I've never seen before. I had to take a double look at the play pre-snap when I watched it. Cause I saw the 2 outside guys pressed but the 3 deep alignment. I went, "huh??". But, I have to give it to him, it's creative.

Starting to get a sense for the sheer volume of the defensive playbook. Not only are there many coverages to know, it's the assignments for what to do pre-snap, such as fake pressure. What do the safeties show pre-snap. Post snap rotations for the safeties. All the different blitz packages from LBs, slot CBs, safeties. They do run stunts. The playbook must be like a phonebook.

Originally posted by thl408:

Starting to get a sense for the sheer volume of the defensive playbook. Not only are there many coverages to know, it's the assignments for what to do pre-snap, such as fake pressure. What do the safeties show pre-snap. Post snap rotations for the safeties. All the different blitz packages from LBs, slot CBs, safeties. They do run stunts. The playbook must be like a phonebook.

Good think we are breaking about 5 new starters

You can see why we look absolutely lost sometimes out there.

Originally posted by Niners816:
What's your guys philosophy on offense and defense?

Well, I'm not the HC, but, our philosophy is:
Set the edges in the run game, don't give up anything outside and play the run outside/in. We have some big guys in the middle, so we don't get gashed up the middle very often. So, we preach to our defensive guys, "don't let them get outside you, funnel everything back inside". Some of them are still working to get that down. We play a 3-4 front, with, instead of your classic 5-0-5 techs, we play 4-0-4. So our exterior DT's are playing inside shade of the Tackle.

On offense - it's a bit more scattered than I would like. They have me more on the defensive side of the ball, but, since one of our coaches had to have foot surgery and has been out, I've been involved in the offense a lot more. But, our basic offensive philosophy is: overload a side and run power. My issue with it is, though: I feel like we're trying to be a power run team with more zone blocking formations. It's really confused some of our players on who their blocking assignments are and we've seen a LOT of missed blocks. To me, I'd much rather us have some more balanced sets and run more stuff off-tackle in a zone blocking style or run some traditional power blocking with pulling G's. We're also too predictable in our run/pass formations.

Our one saving grace, is that we have a kid who's an absolute beast of a running back. In 2 games the kid had 10 TD's running the ball and not a single one was for less than 40 yards with at least 3-4 broken tackles. If we could get some more cohesion in our blocking and get some of our kids to actually put out some effort in their blocks, we'd be unstoppable. But, it's hard when you don't want to have too many cooks in the kitchen.

Originally posted by FourNine49:
With all the WR screens and throws to the flat, I want them to take a page out of the NO and SEA playbook where it looks like a WR screen, but the outside WR instead of blocks, runs a streak down the side line

We tried that in the NY game and it got sniffed out. CK did a good job of pulling down the ball and waited for a sec, then threw it to Patton, who was faking the screen, and still got 4 yards for a first down.

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by thl408:
Starting to get a sense for the sheer volume of the defensive playbook. Not only are there many coverages to know, it's the assignments for what to do pre-snap, such as fake pressure. What do the safeties show pre-snap. Post snap rotations for the safeties. All the different blitz packages from LBs, slot CBs, safeties. They do run stunts. The playbook must be like a phonebook.

Good think we are breaking about 5 new starters

You can see why we look absolutely lost sometimes out there.

Absolutely. I've seen new stuff from our defense every week, so far. It's definitely a lot deeper than Fangio's playbook. I will say, we've seen a lot less faux blitz looks since we got burned by a couple of them in the Pitt game.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Well, I'm not the HC, but, our philosophy is:
Set the edges in the run game, don't give up anything outside and play the run outside/in. We have some big guys in the middle, so we don't get gashed up the middle very often. So, we preach to our defensive guys, "don't let them get outside you, funnel everything back inside". Some of them are still working to get that down. We play a 3-4 front, with, instead of your classic 5-0-5 techs, we play 4-0-4. So our exterior DT's are playing inside shade of the Tackle.

On offense - it's a bit more scattered than I would like. They have me more on the defensive side of the ball, but, since one of our coaches had to have foot surgery and has been out, I've been involved in the offense a lot more. But, our basic offensive philosophy is: overload a side and run power. My issue with it is, though: I feel like we're trying to be a power run team with more zone blocking formations. It's really confused some of our players on who their blocking assignments are and we've seen a LOT of missed blocks. To me, I'd much rather us have some more balanced sets and run more stuff off-tackle in a zone blocking style or run some traditional power blocking with pulling G's. We're also too predictable in our run/pass formations.

Our one saving grace, is that we have a kid who's an absolute beast of a running back. In 2 games the kid had 10 TD's running the ball and not a single one was for less than 40 yards with at least 3-4 broken tackles. If we could get some more cohesion in our blocking and get some of our kids to actually put out some effort in their blocks, we'd be unstoppable. But, it's hard when you don't want to have too many cooks in the kitchen.

Are you able to throw the ball at all?

That HB sounds like a stud....nothing wrong with the "get the ball in that dude's hand" attack.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by thl408:
Starting to get a sense for the sheer volume of the defensive playbook. Not only are there many coverages to know, it's the assignments for what to do pre-snap, such as fake pressure. What do the safeties show pre-snap. Post snap rotations for the safeties. All the different blitz packages from LBs, slot CBs, safeties. They do run stunts. The playbook must be like a phonebook.

Good think we are breaking about 5 new starters

You can see why we look absolutely lost sometimes out there.

Absolutely. I've seen new stuff from our defense every week, so far. It's definitely a lot deeper than Fangio's playbook. I will say, we've seen a lot less faux blitz looks since we got burned by a couple of them in the Pitt game.

I gotta think at some point there are diminishing returns to having so many defensive calls. In the age of free agency and player/roster turnover, having such a large playbook just makes it more difficult to integrate new players into the system. Not to mention that the more a defensive player has to think, the less he is able to just use his instincts.

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Well, I'm not the HC, but, our philosophy is:
Set the edges in the run game, don't give up anything outside and play the run outside/in. We have some big guys in the middle, so we don't get gashed up the middle very often. So, we preach to our defensive guys, "don't let them get outside you, funnel everything back inside". Some of them are still working to get that down. We play a 3-4 front, with, instead of your classic 5-0-5 techs, we play 4-0-4. So our exterior DT's are playing inside shade of the Tackle.

On offense - it's a bit more scattered than I would like. They have me more on the defensive side of the ball, but, since one of our coaches had to have foot surgery and has been out, I've been involved in the offense a lot more. But, our basic offensive philosophy is: overload a side and run power. My issue with it is, though: I feel like we're trying to be a power run team with more zone blocking formations. It's really confused some of our players on who their blocking assignments are and we've seen a LOT of missed blocks. To me, I'd much rather us have some more balanced sets and run more stuff off-tackle in a zone blocking style or run some traditional power blocking with pulling G's. We're also too predictable in our run/pass formations.

Our one saving grace, is that we have a kid who's an absolute beast of a running back. In 2 games the kid had 10 TD's running the ball and not a single one was for less than 40 yards with at least 3-4 broken tackles. If we could get some more cohesion in our blocking and get some of our kids to actually put out some effort in their blocks, we'd be unstoppable. But, it's hard when you don't want to have too many cooks in the kitchen.

Are you able to throw the ball at all?

That HB sounds like a stud....nothing wrong with the "get the ball in that dude's hand" attack.

It's hard when you're playing with some younger ones because you try and spread the ball around and let a few kids carry the ball. Our passing attack has been lackluster, to say the least lol. I've just gotten involved in the passing game the past 2 weeks, which has been real hard to stay out of and not step on some other coaches' toes. They weren't taught crisp routes, or even how to run routes properly. Our QB's footwork was poor and he wasn't getting enough depth on his dropbacks -another coaching fail. But, our HC was adamant that he wanted our OC to be our QB coach and he'd already asked me to be DC. But, this week I've been working on his footwork in practice and he's looking much better. He's getting more depth on his drops and more solid on his balance step. Also, I've been going through our routes(we only run 4 different routes from our WR's) so they're run correctly and much more sharply.

We try and get the ball in that kids hands the most though - he usually has half the team carries, the other half are split up amongst about 5 kids. The only problem has been, his knees have gotten banged up a few times through the season, so, he's had to leave a couple games early cause of some pretty nasty bruises on his knees. Another problem is, the kid is such a stud that a lot of our offensive players will give their defender an initial shove, then stand and watch the guy run lol. We'll be yelling from the sideline, "don't stand there, go block somebody!"

Here's the biggest run of the day we gave up - another reason why we see Williams in the game in our Nickel package. 5:45 2nd QTR



Balt. comes out with 3 wide and is going to run an off-tackle stretch play to the weakside. I'm not sure why Dial isn't in more of a "3" tech position with the TE to his side. He's in a "2" tech alignment, not sure why.


Dial, this time makes the same mistake as earlier, but to the other side. The key to stopping the stretch run plays from the backside is: you have to attack the backside G's outside shoulder; whether he was in a 4 or 5 tech spot, or a 2 or 3, same thing. He has to set up on the G's outside shoulder to attract both blockers. Instead, he flows too far to the play and is going to let his LB get picked up by the LT.


Dorsey and Bow fill their side well, but Dial overplays too far and gets pushed too far down.


Dial gets pushed down and Wilhoite gets picked off.


The RB squeezes through the hole and then puts a little move on Reid and gains 22 yards.

Not all of Dial's stuff is negative though. He did have a couple nice plays in the game. Though, this play will more highlight how special Bow is. This was the kind of stuff we saw from P-willy too.....*sniff*


This is the very next play after their big run. The Ravens will come out in the same formation, but this time take a power run through the "3" hole. I'd call it "23 power" I think Gruden calls it, "93 blast".


The speed at which Bow reads the G is special. LB's are taught to read the G's and they'll take you to the play. So, the second he see's that downblock and the G pull, he heads to the hole. You see Wilhoite is still reading the play and Bow has already taken 2 steps towards the hole. Dial does a great job of taking on this double-team. he keeps his hips and pads low, and maintains his leverage on the offensive players.


By the time Wilhoite is stepping up, Bow's already filling the hole. Dial does a good job of schucking the C too.


Bow dives in and takes out both G's(he hit the pulling guards leg, which is why he's falling down and then takes out the other guards legs too)


He creates a big pile where the runner is supposed to go.


The tackle is credited to Dial and Wilhoite, but really, it goes to Bow. That's the kind of unselfish, dirty work, play that gets me excited and those other guys see as an example. He dove in there, made a pile and took out 2 blockers so others could make a tackle. The run gains 0 yards. (btw, that's Bow's legs sticking out from the bottom of that pile)

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by FourNine49:
With all the WR screens and throws to the flat, I want them to take a page out of the NO and SEA playbook where it looks like a WR screen, but the outside WR instead of blocks, runs a streak down the side line

We tried that in the NY game and it got sniffed out. CK did a good job of pulling down the ball and waited for a sec, then threw it to Patton, who was faking the screen, and still got 4 yards for a first down.

Ahh didn't realize. Thanks for the info

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by thl408:

The backside WR is Torrey. You can tell by his stance. He always hunches his back like that. A lot of weight on his front foot to push off.


The deep safety shades to the concept side when he sees Kap look to there. Otherwise, my guess is he favors Torrey's side since by this point in the game, Torrey already caught the long bomb.

Makes sense the split end being TS.

From the gif, about a split second after the hitch he is sacked. So it looks like he wouldn't have had time to go backside.

You know my thoughts about kap going backside too much....,but given that it's was TS and the movement safety made by looking at kap, had he had time to look off I think we would've loved the results.

That was my point. The safety followed Kap's eyes. If Kap goes backside the entire time, I don't there's a play to be had there. Now going forward with better pass protection, that play may be there for something more.

I have a few newbie questions...

1.does hayne appear to run the routes correctly?

2. Hayne ran 9 snaps at rb and didn't get the ball on any of them. is that due to a confidence factor in him?

3. does the qb make a read out there and decide on choosing a pass option over a run?

4. do you believe the niners should continue with hayne?

Originally posted by JDMathews49ers:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by thl408:
The backside WR is Torrey. You can tell by his stance. He always hunches his back like that. A lot of weight on his front foot to push off.


The deep safety shades to the concept side when he sees Kap look to there. Otherwise, my guess is he favors Torrey's side since by this point in the game, Torrey already caught the long bomb.

Makes sense the split end being TS.

From the gif, about a split second after the hitch he is sacked. So it looks like he wouldn't have had time to go backside.

You know my thoughts about kap going backside too much....,but given that it's was TS and the movement safety made by looking at kap, had he had time to look off I think we would've loved the results.

That was my point. The safety followed Kap's eyes. If Kap goes backside the entire time, I don't there's a play to be had there. Now going forward with better pass protection, that play may be there for something more.

Right. Here is a similar play where Kap looks concept side first, it moves the single deep safety, then Kap looks backside and the Deep In route is available - because the deep safety was moved.