What to do with Jarryd Hayne?

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

You're not seriously suggesting to insert rugby trick plays into an NFL game? Just so we can get one player some touches? I'd like to see more plays outside the tackle for him where he can truck cornerbacks and safeties

If you're asking me, no, not really. It might be handy to have a trick up your sleeve for an unusual situation, but since we're struggling to put even rudimentary plays together right now, they can leave the trick plays well alone.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
You're not seriously suggesting to insert rugby trick plays into an NFL game? Just so we can get one player some touches? I'd like to see more plays outside the tackle for him where he can truck cornerbacks and safeties

We're not talking about Voldamort here ya know. These things can be mentioned. They can be suggested. Or is there a ban I wasn't aware of by the conservative coaching staff and owners all too s**t scared of doing something outside the box for fear of a black mark on their CV?

"Bill your whacky ideas maybe OK for college,but we can't be throwing all these short passes in the NFL. Sorry."

I'd like to see the defence spread wide and Hayne given the ball with enough space to use his vision. You'd also throw him up the middle, run screens and a bunch of other plays I cant remember the name of - the full range. Just so we can see Jarryd with the ball? No. To try and get the defence on the back foot with a bit of daring a bit of flair to give the offence a chance.

The shotgun snap was a trick play once. Not punting on 4th down is a trick for f**ks sake. Tricks like faking where the punt goes? Look where gutless and unimaginative has got us so far this season.

Bill walsh was an offensive assistant at cincinnati for about 10 years where he devised the principles of the wco with kenny anderson.

The lack of imagination and guts are the least of our problems imo.

We need talent. We dont have much upfront.

Originally posted by Dingo:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
You're not seriously suggesting to insert rugby trick plays into an NFL game? Just so we can get one player some touches? I'd like to see more plays outside the tackle for him where he can truck cornerbacks and safeties

We're not talking about Voldamort here ya know. These things can be mentioned. They can be suggested. Or is there a ban I wasn't aware of by the conservative coaching staff and owners all too s**t scared of doing something outside the box for fear of a black mark on their CV?

"Bill your whacky ideas maybe OK for college,but we can't be throwing all these short passes in the NFL. Sorry."

I'd like to see the defence spread wide and Hayne given the ball with enough space to use his vision. You'd also throw him up the middle, run screens and a bunch of other plays I cant remember the name of - the full range. Just so we can see Jarryd with the ball? No. To try and get the defence on the back foot with a bit of daring a bit of flair to give the offence a chance.

The shotgun snap was a trick play once. Not punting on 4th down is a trick for f**ks sake. Tricks like faking where the punt goes? Look where gutless and unimaginative has got us so far this season.

I agree with what you are saying. Talking about "different" plays in the NFL is like talking about Voldemort. The entire purpose of your team playing well is by putting the ball in the hands of the best talent. The complicatedness of football is to try and figure out how to do this AND give your best talents space to work. The better coaches go outside the box and end up owning the league. Those who stay more traditional and slightly veer off end up in the 7 to 10 win limbo of mediocrity.

Football is about giving the ball to the talent and letting the talent run with it and make plays. We have gotten too much into forcing our QB to have success in the passing game. The QB's job isn't to make big plays throwing or running, his job is to simply get the ball to the talent. Problem is, we make it too complicated and we are injured.

Maybe he is in the dog house because went down under Aldon's ex-girlfiend.

Make him an H-back, like they did with Delaney Walker.

Originally posted by Zealot:

If you're asking me, no, not really. It might be handy to have a trick up your sleeve for an unusual situation, but since we're struggling to put even rudimentary plays together right now, they can leave the trick plays well alone.

It's interesting, because had they're been a team mate following Hayne in most games, many of his runs would've resulted in a TD after a low risk pass by Hayne. A shame fans think a safe option is to hold it and a 4th down kick is more important then scoring a TD.


Strange.

In American football, the West Coast offense is an offense that places a greater emphasis on passing than on running.

There are two similar but distinct offensive strategic systems which are commonly referred to as "West Coast offenses". Originally the term referred to the Air Coryell system popularized by Don Coryell, but, following a journalistic error, it now more commonly refers to the offensive system popularized by Bill Walsh, characterized by short, horizontal passing routes in lieu of running plays to "stretch out" defenses, opening up the potential for long runs or long passes.

Originally posted by vermonator:
Make him an H-back, like they did with Delaney Walker.

Agree

Originally posted by J_Train:

Originally posted by Zealot:

If you're asking me, no, not really. It might be handy to have a trick up your sleeve for an unusual situation, but since we're struggling to put even rudimentary plays together right now, they can leave the trick plays well alone.

It's interesting, because had they're been a team mate following Hayne in most games, many of his runs would've resulted in a TD after a low risk pass by Hayne. A shame fans think a safe option is to hold it and a 4th down kick is more important then scoring a TD.


Strange.

For me, picking up something they're already meant to be good at like blocking would be a better way to go than trying the lateral pass with any regularity. One of the differences between between the games is in NRL teammates provide a passing target. In NFL they provide a block. They amount to the same thing if executed well. Team cohesion and execution is down right now and poor blocking has maybe cost TD's on a few occasions for a few players, so I think it's better to get them doing their fundamentals better before asking them to try stuff that only one man on the team has any real experience with.

Originally posted by Zealot:

Originally posted by J_Train:

Originally posted by Zealot:
If you're asking me, no, not really. It might be handy to have a trick up your sleeve for an unusual situation, but since we're struggling to put even rudimentary plays together right now, they can leave the trick plays well alone.

It's interesting, because had they're been a team mate following Hayne in most games, many of his runs would've resulted in a TD after a low risk pass by Hayne. A shame fans think a safe option is to hold it and a 4th down kick is more important then scoring a TD.


Strange.

For me, picking up something they're already meant to be good at like blocking would be a better way to go than trying the lateral pass with any regularity. One of the differences between between the games is in NRL teammates provide a passing target. In NFL they provide a block. They amount to the same thing if executed well. Team cohesion and execution is down right now and poor blocking has maybe cost TD's on a few occasions for a few players, so I think it's better to get them doing their fundamentals better before asking them to try stuff that only one man on the team has any real experience with.

My point is actually different. I'm suggesting that if anything creative gets used once, just once or twice a season even, it creates extra doubt in the defences mind. And don't forget, Hayne is by far the best lateral passer the NFL has ever seen.
How are the 49ers going to grab the next game by the scruff of its neck. By another predictable, conservative, easy to read drive? With the defence itching to do what other teams are doing to us? Or,
We run my 'trick play'. Once. On the first drive. And it is a TD. (We can then go back and play vanilla football for the rest of the game, if that's what everyone really wants). But you know what, we'd be starting next drive on the front foot with the stadium erupting and the defenders wondering what the f**k is coming at them next. They wouldn't be on the attack, we would be. And for the rest of the game, every time Hayne got 1 on 1, the defender is susceptible to a dummy pass - no risk in throwing fake passes.

news story down under

http://www.news.com.au/sport/american-sports/us-media-calls-on-niners-to-play-hayne/story-fnq2nnu6-1227583466268

Originally posted by mudfart:

news story down under

http://www.news.com.au/sport/american-sports/us-media-calls-on-niners-to-play-hayne/story-fnq2nnu6-1227583466268

Those pesky Aussies

Originally posted by mudfart:

news story down under

http://www.news.com.au/sport/american-sports/us-media-calls-on-niners-to-play-hayne/story-fnq2nnu6-1227583466268

There is more chance of selling ice to an eskimo than convincing Tomsula to let Hayne off the leash, which is really disappointing. Not to mention the effect it's having on jersey sales😎.

Originally posted by Dingo:

My point is actually different. I'm suggesting that if anything creative gets used once, just once or twice a season even, it creates extra doubt in the defences mind. And don't forget, Hayne is by far the best lateral passer the NFL has ever seen.
How are the 49ers going to grab the next game by the scruff of its neck. By another predictable, conservative, easy to read drive? With the defence itching to do what other teams are doing to us? Or,
We run my 'trick play'. Once. On the first drive. And it is a TD. (We can then go back and play vanilla football for the rest of the game, if that's what everyone really wants). But you know what, we'd be starting next drive on the front foot with the stadium erupting and the defenders wondering what the f**k is coming at them next. They wouldn't be on the attack, we would be. And for the rest of the game, every time Hayne got 1 on 1, the defender is susceptible to a dummy pass - no risk in throwing fake passes.

Honestly, I'm not really against the idea of some off the wall plays, I'm just doubtful about the ability of the team to actually execute it. At the moment guys are dropping balls every other play, getting in each others way and Kap couldn't hit the broadside of a bus with a shotgun at 10 paces.

I understand that a wild play could spark something if it comes off and that might get things moving, but after seeing how difficult we make what other teams do easily, I have a feeling they'd just make themselves look silly by trying something they haven't trained much for. It could be argued that training time is better spent on improving their fundamentals rather than a play that might get used once and might fall flat.

I'm open to being proved wrong and I do hope they somehow do.