What to do with Jarryd Hayne?

The real discussion we should be having here, to benefit us Aussies and give some of the more learned Americans here a chance to expand on the game is;

Tomsula has been accused in some quarters of being unimaginative in his use of Hayne. Pete Carroll (of Seattle) who is very excited in what he sees in Jarryd, has been quoted as saying he would use Hayne in all sorts of ways.

Question is; What are the more creative ways Hayne could be used by the 49ers, taking into consideration his skill sets?

One more thing. The Aussies here know a LOT about what Hanye could contribute if given the opportunity. The Americans have a lot less of an idea of what Hanye does week in week out in the NRL';

*Apart from Catching a high ball he can also run onto a pass...(!!).
*He can tackle anything that moves at any speed..(!!)
*Jarryd can pass a football (Rugby League style) fast and flat for 30 yards....(!!)
*He is a devastating tackler head on...High or low, at any angle...(!!) (see his tackle on Josh Dugan (6'2 , 220lb).... Who has also announced he is going to trial for the NFL)

He can bust through tackles, as well as step around tackles. He can 'cut', 'stiff arm', and at the moment is probably a better punt option than Pinion!! If our goal kicker ever gets hurt.....Hayne!

We Aussies all know this and have seen him do it against quality opposition. Don't under rate Rugby League. There are NFL players that *wouldn't survive it because of their small size.
*Some because they are too fat and unathletic,
*some because they couldn't run out an 80 minute game.

All NRL players must be ball runners AND elite tacklers. Average size of an NRL player is 6' and 200lb.

Anyway. Back to the question; Question is; What are the more creative ways Hayne could be used by the 49ers, taking into consideration his skill sets?


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Yeah I'd like to hear a few recipes for Hayne too. How could they simulate the situation Hayne finds himself in when PR.? That's where he has looked most at home. The broken coverage, bit of chaos, bit of time and space for Hayne to look up and pick a route. So how to design a play like that from RB? (I don't mean kicking it here)

I wont harp on about it again but I will be dumbfounded if I don't see Hayne lateral pass at least once at some stage this season. Just once, that would be all it would take. It would create a huge psychological weapon for him. For one thing, he would have a fake pass in his armoury. The frustrating thing is - he already has a vicious dummy pass in his armoury, he just needs to display it once or twice otherwise, nobody knows he is packing it. That's the point.
I again I repeat for all my American friends who shake their heads in pity at my naivety, he is the best lateral passer the NFL has ever seen. It doesn't need to be a great risk. The best passer in the competition passing it once...

Originally posted by thirthyeight:
The real discussion we should be having here, to benefit us Aussies and give some of the more learned Americans here a chance to expand on the game is;

Tomsula has been accused in some quarters of being unimaginative in his use of Hayne. Pete Carroll (of Seattle) who is very excited in what he sees in Jarryd, has been quoted as saying he would use Hayne in all sorts of ways.

Question is; What are the more creative ways Hayne could be used by the 49ers, taking into consideration his skill sets?

One more thing. The Aussies here know a LOT about what Hanye could contribute if given the opportunity. The Americans have a lot less of an idea of what Hanye does week in week out in the NRL';

*Apart from Catching a high ball he can also run onto a pass...(!!).
*He can tackle anything that moves at any speed..(!!)
*Jarryd can pass a football (Rugby League style) fast and flat for 30 yards....(!!)
*He is a devastating tackler head on...High or low, at any angle...(!!) (see his tackle on Josh Dugan (6'2 , 220lb).... Who has also announced he is going to trial for the NFL)

He can bust through tackles, as well as step around tackles. He can 'cut', 'stiff arm', and at the moment is probably a better punt option than Pinion!! If our goal kicker ever gets hurt.....Hayne!

We Aussies all know this and have seen him do it against quality opposition. Don't under rate Rugby League. There are NFL players that *wouldn't survive it because of their small size.
*Some because they are too fat and unathletic,
*some because they couldn't run out an 80 minute game.

All NRL players must be ball runners AND elite tacklers. Average size of an NRL player is 6' and 200lb.

Anyway. Back to the question; Question is; What are the more creative ways Hayne could be used by the 49ers, taking into consideration his skill sets?


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The most creative thing to do is bench him until he has learned not to play f*n rugby.
We Aussies all know that not all Aussies give a toss about his rugby past. The advantage of Hayne is that we get to see more NFL on free to air, not just the superbowl. (It's just a pity that only one and a half teams turn up)

NFL is very much a precision strategical game. This requires the removal of random luck from all aspects, unlike rugby where, as the play develops opportunities arise.
In the most rugby-like part of the game - returns - sure he is a nifty mover. But that role needs to be expanded. He needs to learn. He knows it. He has said it at all his interviews. Every single one of them. So let him learn. Then see what he can do using old skillset meshed with new.

So what if an NFL player couldn't go for 80 min. They don't need to, therefore irrelevant as a skill to be lauded. If he can't get through traffic, he wont get 10 min, let alone more.

I have hopes that he will shine, but first he needs a few more bottles of brasso.

Originally posted by Dingo:

I again I repeat for all my American friends who shake their heads in pity at my naivety, he is the best lateral passer the NFL has ever seen. It doesn't need to be a great risk. The best passer in the competition passing it once...

The issue isn't him passing it. It's someone else catching it. Who on the team would you trust to catch one?

It is worth thinking about ,,,, NFL has never had a person that could pass a ball like a bullet to some ones mid rift before. Im sure he could , but if dropped after the line of scrimmage could mean a turnover and that's why it won't get much talk. But I get your view. I have thought about the things HAYNE could do so many times.

I know I'm only adding to it but...

This thread is turning in to another Hayne v1 thread.

For us aussies, I really don't think there's a need to reply to every post whether it be positive or negative. Almost all of us are of the same opinion - give him more game time and let him learn on the go, this season is dusted. The worse case scenario is him playing himself out of the team and we cop more loses; which at this stage looks inevitable.

Let's hear from the more experienced fans and how they view him being used (or not used) without this turning in to another 100+ discussion of footy this & rugby league that.

Originally posted by Who-is-Hayne:
The most creative thing to do is bench him until he has learned not to play f*n rugby.
We Aussies all know that not all Aussies give a toss about his rugby past. The advantage of Hayne is that we get to see more NFL on free to air, not just the superbowl. (It's just a pity that only one and a half teams turn up)

NFL is very much a precision strategical game. This requires the removal of random luck from all aspects, unlike rugby where, as the play develops opportunities arise.
In the most rugby-like part of the game - returns - sure he is a nifty mover. But that role needs to be expanded. He needs to learn. He knows it. He has said it at all his interviews. Every single one of them. So let him learn. Then see what he can do using old skillset meshed with new.

So what if an NFL player couldn't go for 80 min. They don't need to, therefore irrelevant as a skill to be lauded. If he can't get through traffic, he wont get 10 min, let alone more.

I have hopes that he will shine, but first he needs a few more bottles of brasso.

Why bench him? Thats not creative. He has already showed he can make big plays, given his limited experience and elite NRL and rugby background. They were no flukes as he proved this preseason and regular season already. The Seahawks would already be using him more than what the 49ers are now because they obviously rate him. He is being wasted when the team needs a spark. They can polish up his game as he goes, the team is getting flogged anyway and he is not the problem. When you have someone who can make a difference you don't leave him on the sidelines.

Originally posted by Who-is-Hayne:

The most creative thing to do is bench him until he has learned not to play f*n rugby.
We Aussies all know that not all Aussies give a toss about his rugby past. The advantage of Hayne is that we get to see more NFL on free to air, not just the superbowl. (It's just a pity that only one and a half teams turn up)

NFL is very much a precision strategical game. This requires the removal of random luck from all aspects, unlike rugby where, as the play develops opportunities arise.
In the most rugby-like part of the game - returns - sure he is a nifty mover. But that role needs to be expanded. He needs to learn. He knows it. He has said it at all his interviews. Every single one of them. So let him learn. Then see what he can do using old skillset meshed with new.

So what if an NFL player couldn't go for 80 min. They don't need to, therefore irrelevant as a skill to be lauded. If he can't get through traffic, he wont get 10 min, let alone more.

I have hopes that he will shine, but first he needs a few more bottles of brasso.

Originally posted by mvp_yeahbuddy:

Originally posted by Who-is-Hayne:

The most creative thing to do is bench him until he has learned not to play f*n rugby.
We Aussies all know that not all Aussies give a toss about his rugby past. The advantage of Hayne is that we get to see more NFL on free to air, not just the superbowl. (It's just a pity that only one and a half teams turn up)

NFL is very much a precision strategical game. This requires the removal of random luck from all aspects, unlike rugby where, as the play develops opportunities arise.
In the most rugby-like part of the game - returns - sure he is a nifty mover. But that role needs to be expanded. He needs to learn. He knows it. He has said it at all his interviews. Every single one of them. So let him learn. Then see what he can do using old skillset meshed with new.

So what if an NFL player couldn't go for 80 min. They don't need to, therefore irrelevant as a skill to be lauded. If he can't get through traffic, he wont get 10 min, let alone more.

I have hopes that he will shine, but first he needs a few more bottles of brasso.

Why bench him? Thats not creative. He has already showed he can make big plays, given his limited experience and elite NRL background. They were no flukes as he proved this preseason and regular season already. He is being wasted when the team needs a spark. They can polish up his game as he goes the team is getting flogged anyway and he is not the problem.

Agree lets keep the Nrl vs Nfl debate on the hayne plane thread as the mods have requested. Its ok that some vets dont rate Hayne. Its actually right on the money, how can you rate someone you havnt seen perform in NFL whether due to l limited time or whatever. I just hope he gets his chance and takes it. Then slowly more supporters will get on the Hayne Plane.

As to how he should be used...I think he should get a play at least once a drive, mix it up with runs up the guts, receptions wide and blocking. Defence wont pigeon hole him into a type of player and he gets enough time to learn and hopefully add to the team. Also.Hyde gets a well earnt break every so often. Dont think bush has his ability anymore and I dont think davis has his potential.

Originally posted by Drift:

Originally posted by Dingo:

I again I repeat for all my American friends who shake their heads in pity at my naivety, he is the best lateral passer the NFL has ever seen. It doesn't need to be a great risk. The best passer in the competition passing it once...

The issue isn't him passing it. It's someone else catching it. Who on the team would you trust to catch one?

I'd hope there are a few footballers on the field that could actually be trusted to catch a football. Just once.

The Hayne issue is simple, he does things very well that nfl players and teams have not seen, are not prepared for, and would not be able to catch up if they knew what was coming weeks in advance. Am I the only one here that can simply envision, laterals and pitches, screen passes flare outs and a host of other options rather than giving him the ball to dive into the line, christ, Tomsula is so frightened out of his mind that any original creative inklings he might have had are gone because he
is to busy tightening up his sphincter muscle to keep his s**t together ( I hope some of you thought that,that was really funny ) (matter of fact that has a great metaphor )Jack Clark, the respected 26 time national collegiate coach champion, who also played football ) talked about the astonishing potential that is jarryd hayne if they could overcome their collective terror.
I am so friggin sick of watching them become more brain dead every week. For one thing,making other teams wonder, I mean really ownder, how Hayne was being prepared to friggin give them a lesson on what it means to carry the ball with nobody to block for you.
I know some of you here are appreciating my thoughts on the subject, only because you individually, are bright enough with a touch of imagination to see the idea and what it could present. Jarryds explosive start stop speed is really good but from what I've seen Tomsula is envisioning either Hayne or Davis rushing headlong , straight ahead behind a line that cannot do that kind of blocking.
If you are all following the Kaepernick contract fiasco, if he gets injured while playing this season and cannot play, his huge contract becomes validated and the niners run the risk, every play of that happening. To prevent that from happening, they should take him out of the game, hire 5 large nfl players to make sure he does't accidentally get clocked while sitting on a bench minding his own business, or better yet cut him, put him anywhere but near the field of play

Ugh....this thread is turning painful just like Hayne V1.
Great to read people's thoughts on where they see Hayne performing at his best, but please let's not bring up the NFL/NRL comparison again...especially on a new thread. We already have the V2 thread where this point has been flogged to death!
I'd really like to hear some feedback from the long time Niner Fans, who after all, know this game a lot better than us who have just come on board. And unfortunately, just like with the Hayne thread, looks like this one will be avoided as well by anyone other than the Aussies.
I'm just another Aussie too, hoping he gets his chance, but can we let people have an opinion without jumping down their throats for it not being the same as ours?

Anyway back to the original question, would love to see him get more opportunities in different areas of the game, but am happy for him to retain the PR duties where hopefully he can build his confidence in that area while learning more areas of the game every week.


Cheers!

Originally posted by Bexta:

Ugh....this thread is turning painful just like Hayne V1.
Great to read people's thoughts on where they see Hayne performing at his best, but please let's not bring up the NFL/NRL comparison again...especially on a new thread. We already have the V2 thread where this point has been flogged to death!
I'd really like to hear some feedback from the long time Niner Fans, who after all, know this game a lot better than us who have just come on board. And unfortunately, just like with the Hayne thread, looks like this one will be avoided as well by anyone other than the Aussies.
I'm just another Aussie too, hoping he gets his chance, but can we let people have an opinion without jumping down their throats for it not being the same as ours?

Anyway back to the original question, would love to see him get more opportunities in different areas of the game, but am happy for him to retain the PR duties where hopefully he can build his confidence in that area while learning more areas of the game every week.


Cheers!

Keith just answered your question in spades mate

You know, all the 49'ers would have to do for the dummy to be able to be sold is show a few laterals at training.

Got some upside that.

1) Dummy sells.

2) Reports distract at least temporarily from team issues.

3) No risk of fumbling in the game if its just done at training.