What to do with Jarryd Hayne?

3rd string RB/HB
backup return man
ST player

put him on the kick off team and see if he can knock someones head off

Originally posted by mvp_yeahbuddy:

Originally posted by Strine49:

Yeah great summary Newk. I want Hayne to hang in with the 49ers and do his apprenticeship. Every time I see the argument :

'you don't know what you have in Hayne. If you gave him more time...'


It annoys me. Arrogance. Broken record. Good way to alienate just about every dyed in the wool 49er here. I want to get on with the natives, not be prejudged because of what some motor mouth halfwit keeps blowing out of their arse.

That release Hayne to the sea chooks thread today. Glad it was locked. What a joke.

Except that even Keith is saying the same thing about how good Hayne is and wanting to see him with more game time. He is one of these 'dyed in the wool 49ers'. If it annoys your don't read it. Problem solved. Not all of us want to see him wasting away on the sidelines or in PS 'polishing' his skills while the rest of the team are doing sweet fa and losing every week.

I'm glad Keith wrote down his opinion. One Keith doesn't make all of the hyenas right. Like I said, look at the figures. Not even 200 votes yet. You think there's only 200 people on this forum? As far as if you don't like it don't read it, mate I would have expected a more mature argument than that from you mate. Okay so say I don't read it, still doesn't stop the natives from thinking we are a bunch of big mouthed know it all clowns. What's the point of coming on here and haranguing everyone that has a different opinion? Especially on a poll that asks for people's opinions and for others not to get defensive. Did you actually read that? Or do you just choose to get defensive whenever anyone says anything about Hayne that you don't agree with?

Here's some posts from today that you missed getting all defensive over:

If Hayne sucks so much, and everyone wants Seattle to lose, wouldn't him going there help them suck more?

No because he can't help them lose while being inactive, just as with the 49ers. The Aussies have overestimated Hayne's abilities. He's got potential but he's still a rookie, he needs time to develop all the facet of his game as well as working on his ball security. If he was anyone else, the people here would have been pulling out the torches and pitchforks after he fumbled on two punt returns in such a short period of time. Gotta hang on to the ball.

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This. Some of the Aussie fans are acting like this dude is entitled to a starting job in the NFL because he was awesome at rugby. He is a struggling NFL rookie that lacks blocking skills which are essential for an RB unless you want to see your quarterback get LP'ed. They gave him chances at returns and he showed he struggles to hold on to the football.

Originally posted by Strine49:
I'm glad Keith wrote down his opinion. One Keith doesn't make all of the hyenas right. Like I said, look at the figures. Not even 200 votes yet. You think there's only 200 people on this forum? As far as if you don't like it don't read it, mate I would have expected a more mature argument than that from you mate. Okay so say I don't read it, still doesn't stop the natives from thinking we are a bunch of big mouthed know it all clowns. What's the point of coming on here and haranguing everyone that has a different opinion? Especially on a poll that asks for people's opinions and for others not to get defensive. Did you actually read that? Or do you just choose to get defensive whenever anyone says anything about Hayne that you don't agree with?

Keith is basically saying what most of the Hayne fans believe in his own articulate and knowledgeable way. He is taken seriously because he has been watching NFL longer than any of us. The only people I have taken real offence to is the trolls that blatantly say 'Hayne is #$%' etc. If your saying Hayne is poor or belongs back on the practice squad etc then I'll debate the reasons why I disagree. I've yet to see a good argument as to why Hayne should not be playing and yes I read what you posted in bold. Bush has made less gains than Hayne and Davis has done nothing despite having 'more experience' playing American football. His so called 'missed block' was analysed and deemed not to be his fault in a thread already mentioned previously.How can we be overestimating his abilities when he hasn't had the chance to prove them in regular season?

People are far too concerned with his limited NFL knowledge and missing the fact he has the spark to get the team up and about and scoring again which is sorely lacking. If he is helping the team win then so what if he makes the odd mistake as long as his positive output far outweighs any mistakes, the season is gone anyway. He has already proven what he can do in preseason and regular season. Design some plays like Keith said to use his strengths. Its dumb football to leave him on the sidelines because of some mistakes that amounted to nothing and may not even occur again when the team is getting flogged every week. Those 'mistakes' were as PR and not as RB too. Is Hayne going to make things much worse? No. The repeated 3 fumbles reason doesn't cut it when practically the rest of the team has been useless and lost multiple games. Hayne hasn't lost us any games because of these '3 fumbles which technically 2 were not even fumbles. He has also shown enough to warrant a decent run, not just minor amounts of time where he can't get even get into a rhythm. Why do other guys in the team making repeated mistakes and are performing poorly over multiple games deserve a spot ahead of Hayne? If your going to drop Hayne then why not drop half the team as well? If your losing repeatedly you don't leave things the same you bring in guys where possible that have the potential to improve the team and have shown ability.

You call it being defensive but I call it a logical debate. Like it or not this to and fro debate is going to go on until Hayne gets alot more gametime with the chance to prove himself or he is cut from the team. Thats just the way it is. Hopefully it stays civilised.

Originally posted by mvp_yeahbuddy:

Originally posted by Strine49:

I'm glad Keith wrote down his opinion. One Keith doesn't make all of the hyenas right. Like I said, look at the figures. Not even 200 votes yet. You think there's only 200 people on this forum? As far as if you don't like it don't read it, mate I would have expected a more mature argument than that from you mate. Okay so say I don't read it, still doesn't stop the natives from thinking we are a bunch of big mouthed know it all clowns. What's the point of coming on here and haranguing everyone that has a different opinion? Especially on a poll that asks for people's opinions and for others not to get defensive. Did you actually read that? Or do you just choose to get defensive whenever anyone says anything about Hayne that you don't agree with?

Keith is basically saying what most of the Hayne fans believe in his own articulate and knowledgeable way. He is taken seriously because he has been watching NFL longer than any of us. The only people I have taken real offence to is the trolls that blatantly say 'Hayne is #$%' etc. If your saying Hayne is poor or belongs back on the practice squad etc then I'll debate the reasons why I disagree. I've yet to see a good argument as to why Hayne should not be playing and yes I read what you posted in bold. Bush has made less gains than Hayne and Davis has done nothing despite having 'more experience' playing American football. His so called 'missed block' was analysed and deemed not to be his fault in a thread already mentioned previously.

People are far too concerned with his limited NFL knowledge and missing the fact he has the spark to get the team up and about and scoring again which is sorely lacking. He has already proven what he can do in preseason and regular season. Design some plays like Keith said to use his strengths. Its dumb football to leave him on the sidelines because of some mistakes that amounted to nothing and may not even occur again when the team is getting flogged every week. Is Hayne going to make it any worse? No. The repeated 3 fumbles reason doesn't cut it when practically the rest of the team has been useless and lost multiple games. Hayne hasn't lost us any games because of these '3 fumbles which technically 2 were not even fumbles. He has also shown enough to warrant a decent run, not just minor amounts of time where he can't get even get into a rhythm. Why do other guys in the team making repeated mistakes and are performing poorly over multiple games deserve a spot ahead of Hayne? If your going to drop Hayne then why not drop half the team as well? If your losing repeatedly you don't leave things the same you bring in guys that have the potential to improve the team and have shown ability.

You call it being defensive but I call it a logical debate. Like it or not this to and fro debate is going to go on until Hayne gets alot more gametime with the chance to prove himself or he is cut from the team. Thats just the way it is. Hopefully it stays civilised.

You need to buy yourself a dictionary. It's not logical if the basis of the arguments is a delusional assertion rather fact. Show me the official stats site that says Hayne has one fumble. You attack people because they quote reality, fact, truth. Three fumbles. Get over it. You can't colour up stuff to suit yourself and then go belting people over the head with it. You are not logical, more delusional.

I read one of your other posts where you said Hayne wasn't in the top ten fumblers stats wise. You neglected to account for eleven QB higher up the ladder. Is this another example of logical debate?

Aussie using non factual arguments to silence people with the right to an opinion = Aussie Troll.

Originally posted by Strine49:
You need to buy yourself a dictionary. It's not logical if the basis of the arguments is a delusional assertion rather fact. Show me the official stats site that says Hayne has one fumble. You attack people because they quote reality, fact, truth. Three fumbles. Get over it. You can't colour up stuff to suit yourself and then go belting people over the head with it. You are not logical, more delusional.

I read one of your other posts where you said Hayne wasn't in the top ten fumblers stats wise. You neglected to account for eleven QB higher up the ladder. Is this another example of logical debate?

Aussie using non factual arguments to silence people with the right to an opinion = Aussie Troll.

I'm not going to keep going around in circles with you. Your the one getting defensive. I say play him you say don't. I guess we will see who has egg on their face in the coming months.

Originally posted by mvp_yeahbuddy:

Originally posted by Strine49:

You need to buy yourself a dictionary. It's not logical if the basis of the arguments is a delusional assertion rather fact. Show me the official stats site that says Hayne has one fumble. You attack people because they quote reality, fact, truth. Three fumbles. Get over it. You can't colour up stuff to suit yourself and then go belting people over the head with it. You are not logical, more delusional.

I read one of your other posts where you said Hayne wasn't in the top ten fumblers stats wise. You neglected to account for eleven QB higher up the ladder. Is this another example of logical debate?

Aussie using non factual arguments to silence people with the right to an opinion = Aussie Troll.

I'm not going to keep going around in circles with you. Your the one getting defensive. I say play him you say don't. I guess we will see who has egg on their face in the coming months.

Where did I say not to play him? Point that out please. I am saying you make stuff up to suit yourself. You are also argumentative. You manufacturing what you would like me to say to make your argument stick is, once again, delusional. You've already got egg on your face because you can't deal with facts and truths. You get defensive and argue every minute point, yet none of what you say is based on reality.

I'll be happy if you can go blurting about saying I've got egg on my face, because that means Hayne will have succeeded. It won't be down to anything you've said on here though. Believe or not, ramblings on here will have no outcome on Hayne's success.

Originally posted by SoCold:
3rd string RB/HB
backup return man
ST player

put him on the kick off team and see if he can knock someones head off

although I would still have him as primary return, cant believe he hasn't seen any time on coverage teams.

To me it seams the coaches are trying to mould the team into their vision of what a successful team should play like.
I think this team could be far more successful if they came up with game plans to take advantage of the strengths players currently have than, hopping that somehow they will miraculously develop skillsets they don't have to pull of the plays being called.
Doesn't just apply to Hayne but to the entire squad, they need to look at the players they have, what they can do well and develop a game plan around that not come up with a game plan they think will win then use the least bad player for that play.

Originally posted by bewdynewkJH38:
Yep, nearly 1000 pages combined v1 and v2. And you could sum it up pretty quickly.

1. He's a rookie that needs more game time.

2. He has plenty of potential but we have to be patient

3. Most. but not all Americans think he's overrated and won't make it.

4.The coaches don't trust him yet but know he is a gifted player and probably see him as a long term special.

The reason the coaches don't trust Hayne simple, they are not technically able to judge the talents of anyone. If they were capable and really qualified to be nfl coaches, we wouldn't be seeing the shameful product on the field. I love interacting in these kind of forums which I seldom do because to make sense and to become the go to guy for astute observations is way to easy, almost childs play. As someone said, I've got 63 years vested in observing this game. Let me make one comment about Carlos Hyde that I haven't seen written before. On about half the pays that he touches the ball, he commits the cardinal sin of football running backs. He comes to a total dead stop, not liking what he sees, he tries to change direction and in the nfl, that is instant death. A running back must always be running north to south and Hyde frequently doesn't do that. 49er staff apparently doesn't see that as a problem, but every time he gets stuffed and is handed his willy, it's because he took indecisive action. My dad was the one who ingrained that concept into my mind at a very early age. From now on, watch Carlos do exactly what I've described and see if I'm not correct. Every once in a while, an explosive back with tremendous speed can catch the defense lapsing and take advantage with his pure athletic ability. Most of the best runs of Hydes career have been quick hitting, north to south plays.
49er staff is not putting Hayne in a position to be successful, they are putting him in a situation to put tremendous pressure on him to make a great play, or to sit down. That is unfare and nobody could perform at their best in that situation. In order for people to perform at their best they have to be in their best natural state mode. I am not an Aussie I am simply married to one who hates football and rugby. I am a curious person to begin with and when I saw Jarryds ability to make people miss him with his sublte, almost imperceptible fakes, while going full speed ahead, not only does he make guys miss, but when they miss they are nowhere near him to have a chance at making a play to stop him, he is gone, like a ghost and apparently Tomsula and staff are TOO STUPID TO SEE THAT WHICH IS BEFORE THEIR VERY EYES.
the guy who said Hayne has plenty of talent, is missing the point, HE IS THE TALENT and he goes on to say that we have to be patient, WHY DO WE HAVE TO BE PATIENT, WHEN IN THE PREASON, ALL WE COULD DO WAS WATCH IN AWE AT WHAT HE DID.
THE GUY GOES ON TO SAYS THAT MOST AMERICANS DON'T BELIEVE IN HIM AND say he is over rated, where did that statement come from. I believe he made it up because he thought it sounded good as if he commissioned a poll, HO< HO< HO< HO< Ho
at the time this was first unfolding, nfl insiders were blown away by what he was doing that I've already described. How do you make a wood be tackler miss by making a move so subtle it was hare to detect, and do it at full speed, so the potential tackler was left in the wake of greatness. That Is what I saw, in fact, that is pretty much what everyone saw except the people here on the forums WHO ARE PRETENDING TO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT FOOTBALL, WELL GUYS, YOU DON'T, AND YOU HAVE PROVEN THAT WITH EVERY LESS THAN KNOWLEDGEABLE QUOTE.
I do like being right and what a bonanza this is to be challenged with virtually no divergent points of view. I hate it when guys here get negative just to pretend that
like they know what they are talking about. When a an nfl analyst actually grades Tomsula's game management, it ain't going to be pretty. To call for a punt while being killed in the 4th quarter simply beacuse you believe that losing 20-3 is way better than losing 27-3 and that is exactly what he did, UNBELIEVABLE

ST coach just said the 9ers are happy with Bush returning punts. That means Hayne sits out the Rams game as well. 9ers coaching staff are s**t.

For 24 million Australians sake, cut Hayne so he can go to another team. He may not get a start there either, but at least it will be a better team team to watch that isn't tearing itself apart from the top down..... (Seattle).




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"...McGaughey said the punt return unit needed to do a better job blocking to give Bush room to move...."

But not for Hayne....homie..???



http://www.news.com.au/sport/american-sports/jarryd-haynes-job-security-with-san-francisco-49ers-looking-shaky/story-fnq2nnu6-1227586308844

Originally posted by thirthyeight:
ST coach just said the 9ers are happy with Bush returning punts. That means Hayne sits out the Rams game as well. 9ers coaching staff are s**t.

For 24 million Australians sake, cut Hayne so he can go to another team. He may not get a start there either, but at least it will be a better team team to watch that isn't tearing itself apart from the top down..... (Seattle).




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Fact is Bush is a reliable and well-known quantity as a punt returner and Hayne is not. Not sure why you think Hayne should be playing over an almost 10 year veteran who has the experience. Seems the 49ers aren't going to cut or trade him anytime soon so probably best to be patient until he gets more chances.

Originally posted by Strine49:

Originally posted by mvp_yeahbuddy:

Originally posted by Strine49:

Yeah great summary Newk. I want Hayne to hang in with the 49ers and do his apprenticeship. Every time I see the argument :

'you don't know what you have in Hayne. If you gave him more time...'


It annoys me. Arrogance. Broken record. Good way to alienate just about every dyed in the wool 49er here. I want to get on with the natives, not be prejudged because of what some motor mouth halfwit keeps blowing out of their arse.

That release Hayne to the sea chooks thread today. Glad it was locked. What a joke.

Except that even Keith is saying the same thing about how good Hayne is and wanting to see him with more game time. He is one of these 'dyed in the wool 49ers'. If it annoys your don't read it. Problem solved. Not all of us want to see him wasting away on the sidelines or in PS 'polishing' his skills while the rest of the team are doing sweet fa and losing every week.

I'm glad Keith wrote down his opinion. One Keith doesn't make all of the hyenas right. Like I said, look at the figures. Not even 200 votes yet. You think there's only 200 people on this forum? As far as if you don't like it don't read it, mate I would have expected a more mature argument than that from you mate. Okay so say I don't read it, still doesn't stop the natives from thinking we are a bunch of big mouthed know it all clowns. What's the point of coming on here and haranguing everyone that has a different opinion? Especially on a poll that asks for people's opinions and for others not to get defensive. Did you actually read that? Or do you just choose to get defensive whenever anyone says anything about Hayne that you don't agree with?

Here's some posts from today that you missed getting all defensive over:

If Hayne sucks so much, and everyone wants Seattle to lose, wouldn't him going there help them suck more?

No because he can't help them lose while being inactive, just as with the 49ers. The Aussies have overestimated Hayne's abilities. He's got potential but he's still a rookie, he needs time to develop all the facet of his game as well as working on his ball security. If he was anyone else, the people here would have been pulling out the torches and pitchforks after he fumbled on two punt returns in such a short period of time. Gotta hang on to the ball.

...and...

This. Some of the Aussie fans are acting like this dude is entitled to a starting job in the NFL because he was awesome at rugby. He is a struggling NFL rookie that lacks blocking skills which are essential for an RB unless you want to see your quarterback get LP'ed. They gave him chances at returns and he showed he struggles to hold on to the football.

Hayne is learning, he wont fumble as much now as he said ball security more vital than trying to run yards, also wtf with lock threads, dont the natives understand when they have a whole new generation of overseas fans theres gonna be a lot of outrageous topical threads showing?!?

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:

Originally posted by thirthyeight:
ST coach just said the 9ers are happy with Bush returning punts. That means Hayne sits out the Rams game as well. 9ers coaching staff are s**t.

For 24 million Australians sake, cut Hayne so he can go to another team. He may not get a start there either, but at least it will be a better team team to watch that isn't tearing itself apart from the top down..... (Seattle).




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Fact is Bush is a reliable and well-known quantity as a punt returner and Hayne is not. Not sure why you think Hayne should be playing over an almost 10 year veteran who has the experience. Seems the 49ers aren't going to cut or trade him anytime soon so probably best to be patient until he gets more chances.

Yes if he doesn't hurt himself putting on his socks

Originally posted by leakyfausett:
Yes if he doesn't hurt himself putting on his socks

Hahahahaha!! Ahahahahah!!

Exactly bloody right!! And until that happens, Hayne doesn't get the chance of on field experience!

Sack the special teams coach. Only likes his 'homies'.


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Originally posted by keithhr:

The reason the coaches don't trust Hayne simple, they are not technically able to judge the talents of anyone. If they were capable and really qualified to be nfl coaches, we wouldn't be seeing the shameful product on the field. I love interacting in these kind of forums which I seldom do because to make sense and to become the go to guy for astute observations is way to easy, almost childs play. As someone said, I've got 63 years vested in observing this game. Let me make one comment about Carlos Hyde that I haven't seen written before. On about half the pays that he touches the ball, he commits the cardinal sin of football running backs. He comes to a total dead stop, not liking what he sees, he tries to change direction and in the nfl, that is instant death. A running back must always be running north to south and Hyde frequently doesn't do that. 49er staff apparently doesn't see that as a problem, but every time he gets stuffed and is handed his willy, it's because he took indecisive action. My dad was the one who ingrained that concept into my mind at a very early age. From now on, watch Carlos do exactly what I've described and see if I'm not correct. Every once in a while, an explosive back with tremendous speed can catch the defense lapsing and take advantage with his pure athletic ability. Most of the best runs of Hydes career have been quick hitting, north to south plays.
49er staff is not putting Hayne in a position to be successful, they are putting him in a situation to put tremendous pressure on him to make a great play, or to sit down. That is unfare and nobody could perform at their best in that situation. In order for people to perform at their best they have to be in their best natural state mode. I am not an Aussie I am simply married to one who hates football and rugby. I am a curious person to begin with and when I saw Jarryds ability to make people miss him with his sublte, almost imperceptible fakes, while going full speed ahead, not only does he make guys miss, but when they miss they are nowhere near him to have a chance at making a play to stop him, he is gone, like a ghost and apparently Tomsula and staff are TOO STUPID TO SEE THAT WHICH IS BEFORE THEIR VERY EYES.
the guy who said Hayne has plenty of talent, is missing the point, HE IS THE TALENT and he goes on to say that we have to be patient, WHY DO WE HAVE TO BE PATIENT, WHEN IN THE PREASON, ALL WE COULD DO WAS WATCH IN AWE AT WHAT HE DID.
THE GUY GOES ON TO SAYS THAT MOST AMERICANS DON'T BELIEVE IN HIM AND say he is over rated, where did that statement come from. I believe he made it up because he thought it sounded good as if he commissioned a poll, HO< HO< HO< HO< Ho
at the time this was first unfolding, nfl insiders were blown away by what he was doing that I've already described. How do you make a wood be tackler miss by making a move so subtle it was hare to detect, and do it at full speed, so the potential tackler was left in the wake of greatness. That Is what I saw, in fact, that is pretty much what everyone saw except the people here on the forums WHO ARE PRETENDING TO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT FOOTBALL, WELL GUYS, YOU DON'T, AND YOU HAVE PROVEN THAT WITH EVERY LESS THAN KNOWLEDGEABLE QUOTE.
I do like being right and what a bonanza this is to be challenged with virtually no divergent points of view. I hate it when guys here get negative just to pretend that
like they know what they are talking about. When a an nfl analyst actually grades Tomsula's game management, it ain't going to be pretty. To call for a punt while being killed in the 4th quarter simply beacuse you believe that losing 20-3 is way better than losing 27-3 and that is exactly what he did, UNBELIEVABLE

Nice rant Keith. Unfortunately you have misinterpreted my intentions. That post was just a tongue in cheek summary of 800 pages of Hayne stuff into 4 quick points. It was just a joke mate.