Week 7 Seahawks coaches film analysis

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Thl and Jonnydel

care to go in depth about how we would punt on 4th &1 or more despite being down 17-20 points?

because the game was already lost and there is no need to get embarrassed even more. they werent going to get 17 points in 4 minutes, dont even say maybe, there was no way, they were mentally beaten at that point. So what they go for it, make it and just punt 4 downs later? or wait, they dont convert on 4th, your qb looks like even more of a fool, and seattle puts up another 7 on you.

that's just scared thinking. what about not going for it int he 3rd quarter?
tomsula punted many times on 4th down. dude is a joke

I understand the 3rd quarter, maybe. if you do that in your own territory all you do is potentially make the gap either bigger. Just posted this in another thread. best case scenario you get a garbage time touchdown to make pissed off fans like you feel less butthurt, worst case scenario kap throws a pick or two to their awesome secondary trying to force it and you get his confidence hang over like you did versus the packers. which one of those seems more likely. all of a sudden the oline will start pass protecting, receivers will start running wide open, and kap will see them when they do? or that you just embarrass their self and turn a steep loss into a massive blow out on live television. Yeah, I bet you would be sitting here even happier, "atleast they went for it" when the score is 30+-3.

this aint madden where oyu just go for and turn off the game if it doesnt work out. guarantee people would be more pissed.

Tomsula and the entire offensive staff is conservative and has been shown to be. we were 2-4 against a division rival. i dont give a s**t that there's 4 minutes left in the game and we're down by 17. if it's 4th & 2 at least try

Again, your qb is shellshocked. why make it very likely worse for some idealistic reason? At the end of the day does doing that actually going to change the outcome of the game, doubt it. If the offense was actually able to move the ball that day, and kap didnt look like he was a freshmen qb playing against the varsity guys, then yes, id say go for it. All your doing is making it worse for him, or even opening him to more punishment behind that oline. there was nothing to be gained from doing that, zero. I see no benefit, none.

This is one good reason why to go for it. Tell the QB that there isn't much to do so just play loose. Sometimes, players play looser this way and build a little momentum as it is an opportunity to take some risks and attempt tighter throws with nothing to lose.

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:
Again, your qb is shellshocked. why make it very likely worse for some idealistic reason? At the end of the day does doing that actually going to change the outcome of the game, doubt it. If the offense was actually able to move the ball that day, and kap didnt look like he was a freshmen qb playing against the varsity guys, then yes, id say go for it. All your doing is making it worse for him, or even opening him to more punishment behind that oline. there was nothing to be gained from doing that, zero. I see no benefit, none.

again. playing scared to win. cant do anything with this pathetic coaching staff. you look at it from a numbers standpoint. not garbage time if it's a 2 possession game in the 3rd quarter and top of the 4th

Im not even sayinf the coachign staff is good. I liked Jim admittedly, as the season has wore on ive lost faith, and this last game was a breaking point for me. But I understand why they would just want to get the f**k out of the stadium and not try to f**k their mentally soft qb anymore. To me thats not even coaching scared, its being realistic. What the f**k is going for it there going to do? What does goign for that fourth down do, please answer the question, makes you feel a little bit better? Id be more pissed right now if we went for it, fail, and they score, we are already a s**t tier franchise, im not trying to be even more of a laughing stock ala lions.

If this was a playoff game then yes, you never give up.

Originally posted by philosoraptor:
Im not even sayinf the coachign staff is good. I liked Jim admittedly, as the season has wore on ive lost faith, and this last game was a breaking point for me. But I understand why they would just want to get the f**k out of the stadium and not try to f**k their mentally soft qb anymore. To me thats not even coaching scared, its being realistic. What the f**k is going for it there going to do? What does goign for that fourth down do, please answer the question, makes you feel a little bit better? Id be more pissed right now if we went for it, fail, and they score, we are already a s**t tier franchise, im not trying to be even more of a laughing stock ala lions.

If this was a playoff game then yes, you never give up.

giving up then yes I agree. but if that's just how their philosophy is then fail.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by defenderDX:
Thl and Jonnydel

care to go in depth about how we would punt on 4th &1 or more despite being down 17-20 points?

because the game was already lost and there is no need to get embarrassed even more. they werent going to get 17 points in 4 minutes, dont even say maybe, there was no way, they were mentally beaten at that point. So what they go for it, make it and just punt 4 downs later? or wait, they dont convert on 4th, your qb looks like even more of a fool, and seattle puts up another 7 on you.

that's just scared thinking. what about not going for it int he 3rd quarter?
tomsula punted many times on 4th down. dude is a joke

I understand the 3rd quarter, maybe. if you do that in your own territory all you do is potentially make the gap either bigger. Just posted this in another thread. best case scenario you get a garbage time touchdown to make pissed off fans like you feel less butthurt, worst case scenario kap throws a pick or two to their awesome secondary trying to force it and you get his confidence hang over like you did versus the packers. which one of those seems more likely. all of a sudden the oline will start pass protecting, receivers will start running wide open, and kap will see them when they do? or that you just embarrass their self and turn a steep loss into a massive blow out on live television. Yeah, I bet you would be sitting here even happier, "atleast they went for it" when the score is 30+-3.

this aint madden where oyu just go for and turn off the game if it doesnt work out. guarantee people would be more pissed.

Tomsula and the entire offensive staff is conservative and has been shown to be. we were 2-4 against a division rival. i dont give a s**t that there's 4 minutes left in the game and we're down by 17. if it's 4th & 2 at least try

Again, your qb is shellshocked. why make it very likely worse for some idealistic reason? At the end of the day does doing that actually going to change the outcome of the game, doubt it. If the offense was actually able to move the ball that day, and kap didnt look like he was a freshmen qb playing against the varsity guys, then yes, id say go for it. All your doing is making it worse for him, or even opening him to more punishment behind that oline. there was nothing to be gained from doing that, zero. I see no benefit, none.

This is one good reason why to go for it. Tell the QB that there isn't much to do so just play loose. Sometimes, players play looser this way and build a little momentum as it is an opportunity to take some risks and attempt tighter throws with nothing to lose.

doesit look like kap was playing loose at all that game. He looked shellshocked. nothing they would do that game would stop that. he was just sacked 6 times and hearing foot steps. Im not sure how him forcing a throw is going to help that, especiallly if he doesnt convert or is worse picked. He is mentally soft, its something we are realizing about kap, he is easily effected by his performances. he doesnt forget.

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:
Im not even sayinf the coachign staff is good. I liked Jim admittedly, as the season has wore on ive lost faith, and this last game was a breaking point for me. But I understand why they would just want to get the f**k out of the stadium and not try to f**k their mentally soft qb anymore. To me thats not even coaching scared, its being realistic. What the f**k is going for it there going to do? What does goign for that fourth down do, please answer the question, makes you feel a little bit better? Id be more pissed right now if we went for it, fail, and they score, we are already a s**t tier franchise, im not trying to be even more of a laughing stock ala lions.

If this was a playoff game then yes, you never give up.

giving up then yes I agree. but if that's just how their philosophy is then fail.

how many teams have ever come back from that deficit with that much time left? kap is mentally soft, lets shatter his already frail confidence by having him force throws like he did against arizonia, that worked out great.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Thl and Jonnydel

care to go in depth about how we would punt on 4th &1 or more despite being down 17-20 points?

LOL, I don't think that problem can be solved from film study

Just remember, it's not losing or getting your teeth kicked in...,it's actually "winning with class"

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by defenderDX:
Thl and Jonnydel

care to go in depth about how we would punt on 4th &1 or more despite being down 17-20 points?

LOL, I don't think that problem can be solved from film study

No. Not willing to try anything on 4th &1 is a symptom of a much deeper problem...a cojone deficit. It is better to lose 30-3 bravely than ever run up the white flag. Mate, you just cant do that in team sports. Certainly not at the elite level where you are looking for all the 1%s.

"because the game was already lost and there is no need to get embarrassed even more". That is waving a white flag. s**t like that leaves deep psychological imprints, on us and our opponents.

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:
Im not even sayinf the coachign staff is good. I liked Jim admittedly, as the season has wore on ive lost faith, and this last game was a breaking point for me. But I understand why they would just want to get the f**k out of the stadium and not try to f**k their mentally soft qb anymore. To me thats not even coaching scared, its being realistic. What the f**k is going for it there going to do? What does goign for that fourth down do, please answer the question, makes you feel a little bit better? Id be more pissed right now if we went for it, fail, and they score, we are already a s**t tier franchise, im not trying to be even more of a laughing stock ala lions.

If this was a playoff game then yes, you never give up.

giving up then yes I agree. but if that's just how their philosophy is then fail.

how many teams have ever come back from that deficit with that much time left? kap is mentally soft, lets shatter his already frail confidence by having him force throws like he did against arizonia, that worked out great.

uhh considering Seattle had been GIVING up leads all season up to the game plenty? you're being way too soft yourself lol. you'd fit right in in SF

Originally posted by Dingo:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by defenderDX:
Thl and Jonnydel

care to go in depth about how we would punt on 4th &1 or more despite being down 17-20 points?

LOL, I don't think that problem can be solved from film study

No. Not willing to try anything on 4th &1 is a symptom of a much deeper problem...a cojone deficit. It is better to lose 30-3 bravely than ever run up the white flag. Mate, you just cant do that in team sports. Certainly not at the elite level where you are looking for all the 1%s.

"because the game was already lost and there is no need to get embarrassed even more". That is waving a white flag. s**t like that leaves deep psychological imprints, on us and our opponents.

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Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Thl and Jonnydel

care to go in depth about how we would punt on 4th &1 or more despite being down 17-20 points?

because the game was already lost and there is no need to get embarrassed even more. they werent going to get 17 points in 4 minutes, dont even say maybe, there was no way, they were mentally beaten at that point. So what they go for it, make it and just punt 4 downs later? or wait, they dont convert on 4th, your qb looks like even more of a fool, and seattle puts up another 7 on you.

that's just scared thinking. what about not going for it int he 3rd quarter?
tomsula punted many times on 4th down. dude is a joke

I understand the 3rd quarter, maybe. if you do that in your own territory all you do is potentially make the gap either bigger. Just posted this in another thread. best case scenario you get a garbage time touchdown to make pissed off fans like you feel less butthurt, worst case scenario kap throws a pick or two to their awesome secondary trying to force it and you get his confidence hang over like you did versus the packers. which one of those seems more likely. all of a sudden the oline will start pass protecting, receivers will start running wide open, and kap will see them when they do? or that you just embarrass their self and turn a steep loss into a massive blow out on live television. Yeah, I bet you would be sitting here even happier, "atleast they went for it" when the score is 30+-3.

this aint madden where oyu just go for and turn off the game if it doesnt work out. guarantee people would be more pissed.

Tomsula and the entire offensive staff is conservative and has been shown to be. we were 2-4 against a division rival. i dont give a s**t that there's 4 minutes left in the game and we're down by 17. if it's 4th & 2 at least try

Again, your qb is shellshocked. why make it very likely worse for some idealistic reason? At the end of the day does doing that actually going to change the outcome of the game, doubt it. If the offense was actually able to move the ball that day, and kap didnt look like he was a freshmen qb playing against the varsity guys, then yes, id say go for it. All your doing is making it worse for him, or even opening him to more punishment behind that oline. there was nothing to be gained from doing that, zero. I see no benefit, none.

This is one good reason why to go for it. Tell the QB that there isn't much to do so just play loose. Sometimes, players play looser this way and build a little momentum as it is an opportunity to take some risks and attempt tighter throws with nothing to lose.

doesit look like kap was playing loose at all that game. He looked shellshocked. nothing they would do that game would stop that. he was just sacked 6 times and hearing foot steps. Im not sure how him forcing a throw is going to help that, especiallly if he doesnt convert or is worse picked. He is mentally soft, its something we are realizing about kap, he is easily effected by his performances. he doesnt forget.

Not going for it just tells your QB that you don't believe in him. Always go down trying. Tomsula gave up on more that trying to win the game. That decision was a way of saying it without saying it to Kap and the team.

Originally posted by thl408:

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This throw was really late. The ball should be hitting bush as soon as he breaks.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by defenderDX:
Thl and Jonnydel

care to go in depth about how we would punt on 4th &1 or more despite being down 17-20 points?

because the game was already lost and there is no need to get embarrassed even more. they werent going to get 17 points in 4 minutes, dont even say maybe, there was no way, they were mentally beaten at that point. So what they go for it, make it and just punt 4 downs later? or wait, they dont convert on 4th, your qb looks like even more of a fool, and seattle puts up another 7 on you.

that's just scared thinking. what about not going for it int he 3rd quarter?
tomsula punted many times on 4th down. dude is a joke

I understand the 3rd quarter, maybe. if you do that in your own territory all you do is potentially make the gap either bigger. Just posted this in another thread. best case scenario you get a garbage time touchdown to make pissed off fans like you feel less butthurt, worst case scenario kap throws a pick or two to their awesome secondary trying to force it and you get his confidence hang over like you did versus the packers. which one of those seems more likely. all of a sudden the oline will start pass protecting, receivers will start running wide open, and kap will see them when they do? or that you just embarrass their self and turn a steep loss into a massive blow out on live television. Yeah, I bet you would be sitting here even happier, "atleast they went for it" when the score is 30+-3.

this aint madden where oyu just go for and turn off the game if it doesnt work out. guarantee people would be more pissed.

Tomsula and the entire offensive staff is conservative and has been shown to be. we were 2-4 against a division rival. i dont give a s**t that there's 4 minutes left in the game and we're down by 17. if it's 4th & 2 at least try

Again, your qb is shellshocked. why make it very likely worse for some idealistic reason? At the end of the day does doing that actually going to change the outcome of the game, doubt it. If the offense was actually able to move the ball that day, and kap didnt look like he was a freshmen qb playing against the varsity guys, then yes, id say go for it. All your doing is making it worse for him, or even opening him to more punishment behind that oline. there was nothing to be gained from doing that, zero. I see no benefit, none.

This is one good reason why to go for it. Tell the QB that there isn't much to do so just play loose. Sometimes, players play looser this way and build a little momentum as it is an opportunity to take some risks and attempt tighter throws with nothing to lose.

doesit look like kap was playing loose at all that game. He looked shellshocked. nothing they would do that game would stop that. he was just sacked 6 times and hearing foot steps. Im not sure how him forcing a throw is going to help that, especiallly if he doesnt convert or is worse picked. He is mentally soft, its something we are realizing about kap, he is easily effected by his performances. he doesnt forget.

Not going for it just tells your QB that you don't believe in him. Always go down trying. Tomsula gave up on more that trying to win the game. That decision was a way of saying it without saying it to Kap and the team.

I see going for it an failing as just hanging him out to dry even more behind that line.

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:
Im not even sayinf the coachign staff is good. I liked Jim admittedly, as the season has wore on ive lost faith, and this last game was a breaking point for me. But I understand why they would just want to get the f**k out of the stadium and not try to f**k their mentally soft qb anymore. To me thats not even coaching scared, its being realistic. What the f**k is going for it there going to do? What does goign for that fourth down do, please answer the question, makes you feel a little bit better? Id be more pissed right now if we went for it, fail, and they score, we are already a s**t tier franchise, im not trying to be even more of a laughing stock ala lions.

If this was a playoff game then yes, you never give up.

giving up then yes I agree. but if that's just how their philosophy is then fail.

how many teams have ever come back from that deficit with that much time left? kap is mentally soft, lets shatter his already frail confidence by having him force throws like he did against arizonia, that worked out great.

uhh considering Seattle had been GIVING up leads all season up to the game plenty? you're being way too soft yourself lol. you'd fit right in in SF

LOL oh the keyboard warrior has come out to play, so tough on the internet

Yes they have been giving up leads. they had also been sacking the s**t out of kap, I see it as not putting your qb at risk because of an ideal some neckbearded mouth breather on a forum wants you to follow.

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:
Im not even sayinf the coachign staff is good. I liked Jim admittedly, as the season has wore on ive lost faith, and this last game was a breaking point for me. But I understand why they would just want to get the f**k out of the stadium and not try to f**k their mentally soft qb anymore. To me thats not even coaching scared, its being realistic. What the f**k is going for it there going to do? What does goign for that fourth down do, please answer the question, makes you feel a little bit better? Id be more pissed right now if we went for it, fail, and they score, we are already a s**t tier franchise, im not trying to be even more of a laughing stock ala lions.

If this was a playoff game then yes, you never give up.

giving up then yes I agree. but if that's just how their philosophy is then fail.

how many teams have ever come back from that deficit with that much time left? kap is mentally soft, lets shatter his already frail confidence by having him force throws like he did against arizonia, that worked out great.

uhh considering Seattle had been GIVING up leads all season up to the game plenty? you're being way too soft yourself lol. you'd fit right in in SF

LOL oh the keyboard warrior has come out to play, so tough on the internet

Yes they have been giving up leads. they had also been sacking the s**t out of kap, I see it as not putting your qb at risk because of an ideal some neckbearded mouth breather on a forum wants you to follow.

and I see it as actually putting up a fight until the end. show some f**king confidence in your QB. because the OC and company certainly do not. how is he supposed to have confidence if the coaching staff doesnt show him any? i think you're piggy backing off this mental aspect of it too much. you play to win the game. you dont play to "get out" as if it was a meaningless pre season game

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:
Im not even sayinf the coachign staff is good. I liked Jim admittedly, as the season has wore on ive lost faith, and this last game was a breaking point for me. But I understand why they would just want to get the f**k out of the stadium and not try to f**k their mentally soft qb anymore. To me thats not even coaching scared, its being realistic. What the f**k is going for it there going to do? What does goign for that fourth down do, please answer the question, makes you feel a little bit better? Id be more pissed right now if we went for it, fail, and they score, we are already a s**t tier franchise, im not trying to be even more of a laughing stock ala lions.

If this was a playoff game then yes, you never give up.

giving up then yes I agree. but if that's just how their philosophy is then fail.

how many teams have ever come back from that deficit with that much time left? kap is mentally soft, lets shatter his already frail confidence by having him force throws like he did against arizonia, that worked out great.

uhh considering Seattle had been GIVING up leads all season up to the game plenty? you're being way too soft yourself lol. you'd fit right in in SF

LOL oh the keyboard warrior has come out to play, so tough on the internet

Yes they have been giving up leads. they had also been sacking the s**t out of kap, I see it as not putting your qb at risk because of an ideal some neckbearded mouth breather on a forum wants you to follow.

and I see it as actually putting up a fight until the end. show some f**king confidence in your QB. because the OC and company certainly do not. how is he supposed to have confidence if the coaching staff doesnt show him any? i think you're piggy backing off this mental aspect of it too much. you play to win the game. you dont play to "get out" as if it was a meaningless pre season game

I understand that, but I really dont think the coaching staff even has confidence in him. I sure as hell dont. The offense around him is terrible, he cant carry a team like this. Its pretty clear how this coaching staff feels about him, they try to make everything easy, and they protect him. They dont just do that for s**ts and giggles.