Week 7 Seahawks coaches film analysis

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:
Im not even sayinf the coachign staff is good. I liked Jim admittedly, as the season has wore on ive lost faith, and this last game was a breaking point for me. But I understand why they would just want to get the f**k out of the stadium and not try to f**k their mentally soft qb anymore. To me thats not even coaching scared, its being realistic. What the f**k is going for it there going to do? What does goign for that fourth down do, please answer the question, makes you feel a little bit better? Id be more pissed right now if we went for it, fail, and they score, we are already a s**t tier franchise, im not trying to be even more of a laughing stock ala lions.

If this was a playoff game then yes, you never give up.

giving up then yes I agree. but if that's just how their philosophy is then fail.

how many teams have ever come back from that deficit with that much time left? kap is mentally soft, lets shatter his already frail confidence by having him force throws like he did against arizonia, that worked out great.

uhh considering Seattle had been GIVING up leads all season up to the game plenty? you're being way too soft yourself lol. you'd fit right in in SF

+ Show all quotes LOL oh the keyboard warrior has come out to play, so tough on the internet

Yes they have been giving up leads. they had also been sacking the s**t out of kap, I see it as not putting your qb at risk because of an ideal some neckbearded mouth breather on a forum wants you to follow.

and I see it as actually putting up a fight until the end. show some f**king confidence in your QB. because the OC and company certainly do not. how is he supposed to have confidence if the coaching staff doesnt show him any? i think you're piggy backing off this mental aspect of it too much. you play to win the game. you dont play to "get out" as if it was a meaningless pre season game

I understand that, but I really dont think the coaching staff even has confidence in him. I sure as hell dont. The offense around him is terrible, he cant carry a team like this. Its pretty clear how this coaching staff feels about him, they try to make everything easy, and they protect him. They dont just do that for s**ts and giggles.

then why do we play the game? lol. might as well put gabbert in lol f**k it right?

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:
Im not even sayinf the coachign staff is good. I liked Jim admittedly, as the season has wore on ive lost faith, and this last game was a breaking point for me. But I understand why they would just want to get the f**k out of the stadium and not try to f**k their mentally soft qb anymore. To me thats not even coaching scared, its being realistic. What the f**k is going for it there going to do? What does goign for that fourth down do, please answer the question, makes you feel a little bit better? Id be more pissed right now if we went for it, fail, and they score, we are already a s**t tier franchise, im not trying to be even more of a laughing stock ala lions.

If this was a playoff game then yes, you never give up.

giving up then yes I agree. but if that's just how their philosophy is then fail.

how many teams have ever come back from that deficit with that much time left? kap is mentally soft, lets shatter his already frail confidence by having him force throws like he did against arizonia, that worked out great.

uhh considering Seattle had been GIVING up leads all season up to the game plenty? you're being way too soft yourself lol. you'd fit right in in SF

LOL oh the keyboard warrior has come out to play, so tough on the internet

Yes they have been giving up leads. they had also been sacking the s**t out of kap, I see it as not putting your qb at risk because of an ideal some neckbearded mouth breather on a forum wants you to follow.

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and I see it as actually putting up a fight until the end. show some f**king confidence in your QB. because the OC and company certainly do not. how is he supposed to have confidence if the coaching staff doesnt show him any? i think you're piggy backing off this mental aspect of it too much. you play to win the game. you dont play to "get out" as if it was a meaningless pre season game

I understand that, but I really dont think the coaching staff even has confidence in him. I sure as hell dont. The offense around him is terrible, he cant carry a team like this. Its pretty clear how this coaching staff feels about him, they try to make everything easy, and they protect him. They dont just do that for s**ts and giggles.

then why do we play the game? lol. might as well put gabbert in lol f**k it right?

Not necessarily. you play to win, but you also dont play to hang your players out to dry when they struggle in a lopsided lose.

But I get your perspective. I have defended kap, but this game made me realize that his true issue is his personality, he is mentally soft. If you leave him out to dry like that it could drift into the next game. The coaching staff drys to baby kap.

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:
Im not even sayinf the coachign staff is good. I liked Jim admittedly, as the season has wore on ive lost faith, and this last game was a breaking point for me. But I understand why they would just want to get the f**k out of the stadium and not try to f**k their mentally soft qb anymore. To me thats not even coaching scared, its being realistic. What the f**k is going for it there going to do? What does goign for that fourth down do, please answer the question, makes you feel a little bit better? Id be more pissed right now if we went for it, fail, and they score, we are already a s**t tier franchise, im not trying to be even more of a laughing stock ala lions.

If this was a playoff game then yes, you never give up.

giving up then yes I agree. but if that's just how their philosophy is then fail.

how many teams have ever come back from that deficit with that much time left? kap is mentally soft, lets shatter his already frail confidence by having him force throws like he did against arizonia, that worked out great.

uhh considering Seattle had been GIVING up leads all season up to the game plenty? you're being way too soft yourself lol. you'd fit right in in SF

LOL oh the keyboard warrior has come out to play, so tough on the internet

Yes they have been giving up leads. they had also been sacking the s**t out of kap, I see it as not putting your qb at risk because of an ideal some neckbearded mouth breather on a forum wants you to follow.

and I see it as actually putting up a fight until the end. show some f**king confidence in your QB. because the OC and company certainly do not. how is he supposed to have confidence if the coaching staff doesnt show him any? i think you're piggy backing off this mental aspect of it too much. you play to win the game. you dont play to "get out" as if it was a meaningless pre season game

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I understand that, but I really dont think the coaching staff even has confidence in him. I sure as hell dont. The offense around him is terrible, he cant carry a team like this. Its pretty clear how this coaching staff feels about him, they try to make everything easy, and they protect him. They dont just do that for s**ts and giggles.

then why do we play the game? lol. might as well put gabbert in lol f**k it right?

Not necessarily. you play to win, but you also dont play to hang your players out to dry when they struggle in a lopsided lose.

But I get your perspective. I have defended kap, but this game made me realize that his true issue is his personality, he is mentally soft. If you leave him out to dry like that it could drift into the next game. The coaching staff drys to baby kap.

i have defended him as well. if they really feel like he's holding back the offense then i they should put Gabbert then I suppose. but I think they just want to ride it out.

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:
Im not even sayinf the coachign staff is good. I liked Jim admittedly, as the season has wore on ive lost faith, and this last game was a breaking point for me. But I understand why they would just want to get the f**k out of the stadium and not try to f**k their mentally soft qb anymore. To me thats not even coaching scared, its being realistic. What the f**k is going for it there going to do? What does goign for that fourth down do, please answer the question, makes you feel a little bit better? Id be more pissed right now if we went for it, fail, and they score, we are already a s**t tier franchise, im not trying to be even more of a laughing stock ala lions.

If this was a playoff game then yes, you never give up.

giving up then yes I agree. but if that's just how their philosophy is then fail.

how many teams have ever come back from that deficit with that much time left? kap is mentally soft, lets shatter his already frail confidence by having him force throws like he did against arizonia, that worked out great.

uhh considering Seattle had been GIVING up leads all season up to the game plenty? you're being way too soft yourself lol. you'd fit right in in SF

LOL oh the keyboard warrior has come out to play, so tough on the internet

Yes they have been giving up leads. they had also been sacking the s**t out of kap, I see it as not putting your qb at risk because of an ideal some neckbearded mouth breather on a forum wants you to follow.

and I see it as actually putting up a fight until the end. show some f**king confidence in your QB. because the OC and company certainly do not. how is he supposed to have confidence if the coaching staff doesnt show him any? i think you're piggy backing off this mental aspect of it too much. you play to win the game. you dont play to "get out" as if it was a meaningless pre season game

I understand that, but I really dont think the coaching staff even has confidence in him. I sure as hell dont. The offense around him is terrible, he cant carry a team like this. Its pretty clear how this coaching staff feels about him, they try to make everything easy, and they protect him. They dont just do that for s**ts and giggles.

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then why do we play the game? lol. might as well put gabbert in lol f**k it right?

Not necessarily. you play to win, but you also dont play to hang your players out to dry when they struggle in a lopsided lose.

But I get your perspective. I have defended kap, but this game made me realize that his true issue is his personality, he is mentally soft. If you leave him out to dry like that it could drift into the next game. The coaching staff drys to baby kap.

i have defended him as well. if they really feel like he's holding back the offense then i they should put Gabbert then I suppose. but I think they just want to ride it out.

See thats the thing. I dont think its all kap though, I guess mentally soft is the wrong way to put it. He needs to be in a rhythm, I dont feel like he is one of those qb's who can just play like crap one drive and then turn it all around, and he gets real frenetic when he starts to get pressured. Thats my biggest issue with htis team, not kap(still have losed faith in him though for this reason). I dont think gabbert would do much better if at all.

Guys, please find another thread to carry out your argument. This thread should remain free of bickering so Jonny and TH can school us. Thanks.

Originally posted by defenderDX:
Tomsula and the entire offensive staff is conservative and has been shown to be. we were 2-4 against a division rival. i dont give a s**t that there's 4 minutes left in the game and we're down by 17. if it's 4th & 2 at least try

Whoever made that decision doesn't understand one of the basic tenets of team sport. The leaders must never give up. Not for 4 minutes, not for 2 minutes - even if that is just for pride because the game is mathematically out of reach. You can never surrender because it gives your opponent a psychological advantage. That's all they need to cut you to ribbons next time. And the next team we play cuts us to ribbons too because they watched the tape. (I have a real problem with the whole notion of 'garbage time'. Does it mean that the rest of the season is garbage time?). I understand that especially for rookies there is a risk they'll start to hang their heads if they fall too far behind, but...

To throw in the towel, with the game still technically winnable??

Originally posted by fister30:

Originally posted by thl408:

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This throw was really late. The ball should be hitting bush as soon as he breaks.

Seems like he's always late on these swing passes, there was one last week to Boldin where he was almost at the sideline before Kap threw it and Q had no room to turn upfield. He's probably waiting for the receiver to turn around before he throws it.

Originally posted by audick:

Guys, please find another thread to carry out your argument. This thread should remain free of bickering so Jonny and TH can school us. Thanks.

So pretty much Kaep doesn't trust Kaep
Coaches don't trust Kaep

If it weren't for Kaeps contract, Gabbert would be starting already

After the failed attempt to execute a pick/rub, this is the next play.

High-low read to each side versus Cover3 (man cover on backside WR, Sherman vs Torrey).


Kap completes the dropback and looks to Boldin. Because VD and Patton were kept in tight to help widen the pass rushers, they are slow to get into their routes. Blue does a good job impeding Boldin, then takes a deep zone drop and prevents any throwing lane to Boldin's Out.


I get that the 49ers wanted to protect Pears/Staley by lining up Patton and VD next to the OTackles, but that affects the high-low read. Help OL and reduce effectiveness of route combinations, or protect Kap so he can make a throw? One way to beat zones is to get 5 routes in play and move defenders around. Keeping WRs in to protect doesn't help other routes get open as far as route combinations and how they work in unison with one another.


Kap hits a trainer with the pass. Pow! Right in the kisser! Two drives, two 3&outs.

^^^^that 4 man rush is just toying with our OL.

How about a highlight!

Originally posted by jonnydel:
our biggest run of the day came off a play where we ran opposite of where Seattle slanted, and it had more to do with Seattle making the incorrect line call, than our blocking. There were 4 players who took themselves out of the play and Hyde gained 13 yards.

Outside zone left
versus 4-3 Over front. Notice the blue DE is almost in a 3 technique. In a normal 4-3 Over, the DE is aligned over the LT or with a 5 technique. SEA has shifted strongly towards the right side of the OL (SEA's left). This is almost a Bear front with nearly all three interior OLmen covered.


SEA slants to their left. Couple this with the OL executing a stretch left and the two lines are moving in opposite directions. This allows Boone to gain outside position on the blue DE.


Blue penetrates and Boone just walls him off. Staley has an easy path to the second level.


Nice truck.


+13

3rd drive. After a couple first downs from run plays..
2Q 1st & 10
Trying to get a pick/rub going. Boldin comes underneath Torrey, looking to gain separation.


Kap completes his dropback and sees this. Sherman seems to be playing zone and just dropping to his deep 1/3. ET matches Torrey. A LB runs with Boldin as SEA shows their style of pattern matching.


Staley leaves Vance to fend for himself against MBennett.


7 in to protect versus 4 man rush. lol at Staley and Tiller about to block each other.


-5 sack.


49ers would then run for -3 (whiffed block by Boone), screen pass for +4. Punt.

I can honestly say I've never seen a scissor or rub/pick run with those style of routes. It's like a wheel and an inverse wheel. It's just weird, because Torrey is never an option realty at any point....even at is stutter part. It almost drawing more attention to the Boldin outside wheel. Also look at Torrey get knocked to the ground at the end of his route.

Seahawks coach likes rugby-style tackling. No wonder they were interested in Hayne.