Week 8 St. Louis rams coaches film analysis

Originally posted by MFWIC:
He may well be the starting RB this week.

Just trying to learn the game a little, HC put him on the roster as a power back, so want to see how he was used as the power back in this game.

We all know thenOL is a cluster f**k, but all our RB have been behind the same O line all year. But still it seemed the RB were ineffective, is HYde that much better or just willing to get banged up ( paying price now).

Have seen tape and analysi on these RB plays previous games in this type of thread.

Again , would appreciate the effort and understand the time and real life pressure.

Guess I can just go back to thenhayne thread, but wanted to venture out and learn some detail so I am bette informed.

Gotcha. There was not a lot I can tell from this game. Normally, a RB's performance can be analyzed when he is able to take the handoff and read the blocking. Gaskins had no such chance as the 49er's OL was thoroughly dominated on run plays. No RB could have succeeded against that Ram's front. His runs were -2, +1, +2, +2, +3. We should get a better read on Gaskins skillset after the ATL game. If you'd like to learn some basic concepts about the game, visit this thread.
http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/182144-all22-analysis-coverages-amp-concepts/

Didn't the Giants have the best DL against run plays at the time in the league when we played them?

Where is Rams in the rankings against run plays?

Anyway let's see Gas can's and the all the new RB go.

Also where is the Falcons rankings in defence on run plays?


Lol wrong thread ?

Originally posted by thl408:

It wasn't all bad for Kap. Kap had 2 good throws to Simpson that I thought Simpson should have caught down the sideline. This was probably his best throw of the game. This is on the second FG drive.

Z Cross versus Cover3
Torrey is the X WR, lined up on the weakside. Patton is the Z. Patton is running a deep cross, therefore 'Z Cross'. Torrey takes the top off for Patton to attack the underneath.


Torrey pushes the deep zone defenders (black) back.


Being that this is just a two route concept with the 49ers keeping in additional blockers, there's a very small window to target Patton. If Kap throws it too early, then the deep 1/3 defender on Torrey's side can peel off and make a play on the throw. If Kap throws it too late, then Patton runs out of bounds. Kap is mid windup.


+33 yards

That's was big time throw. I've being telling my coworker about that throw. It's those throws that make you go , but then he misses a simple slant flat concept .

Originally posted by JDMathews49ers:
That's was big time throw. I've being telling my coworker about that throw. It's those throws that make you go , but then he misses a simple slant flat concept .

Yeah but those throws isn't what we need him to improve on. Those are the throws defenses take a away from him most of the time. What we need him to be able to execute are the under 10 or 15 yard throws in the rhythm of the timing of the offense.

Don't know about the game film but the doctor's file was very full after this game. Between the stadium and the rams not only did we loose but we got the s**t kicked out of us. Pinion,Bush,Celek,Acker,Mccray,M Davis, and Kaps mental status.

Originally posted by thl408:
After the defense forces a Rams 3 & out. This is the next drive.

After a -2 yard run by Gaskins, the 49ers execute a nice middle screen pass that Davis took for 11 yards. Very clean looking screen pass with 2 OL out in front blocking and everything.

Another manageable 3rd down. RB circle route versus Cover1 blitz. Same deal as the play above. Bush's circle route designed to attack the middle of the field, which is open in Cover 1 blitz.


At this point, it should be clear to Kap that the middle of the field (underneath level) is wide open. Does Kap understand that there is a route about to go to the middle of the field? If so, he needs to start his throwing motion now as Bush digs his heel in the grass to break towards the middle.


This is a split second later and Kap still has not started his throwing motion. Now the rush is on him and he will eventually make an off balance throw that sails over Bush's head.


There was an illegal formation penalty on the offense on this play so it would not have counted anyway, but when looking at Kap's execution on this play, it is a fail. Have some anticipation. Lob it to the open area and put the responsibility on Bush to get there. Punt.

I have no doubt in my mind that based off these minor things that Kap isn't doing, Gabbert SHOULD be able to do/execute.

Originally posted by Joecool:
Look at his fundamentals. He hits the top of his drop and for some reason, instead of digging his back foot to plant forward, he moves his back foot another step back while his front foot stays. Just odd. It makes him not ready to throw.

Also, these plays may not be as open for Gabbert simply because the defense will not be committing a spy to Gabbert.

because he's hesitating while the rush is closing in on him. so he's naturally doing that. he is not seeing the field like he has in the past. just looks like indecisiveness and hesitation.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by JDMathews49ers:

That's was big time throw. I've being telling my coworker about that throw. It's those throws that make you go , but then he misses a simple slant flat concept .

Yeah but those throws isn't what we need him to improve on. Those are the throws defenses take a away from him most of the time. What we need him to be able to execute are the under 10 or 15 yard throws in the rhythm of the timing of the offense.

Damn, I just wish he would have gotten to work with a real QB guru. Would have loved for Shanahan to get a crack at Kap.

Originally posted by thl408:
Gotcha. There was not a lot I can tell from this game. Normally, a RB's performance can be analyzed when he is able to take the handoff and read the blocking. Gaskins had no such chance as the 49er's OL was thoroughly dominated on run plays. No RB could have succeeded against that Ram's front. His runs were -2, +1, +2, +2, +3. We should get a better read on Gaskins skillset after the ATL game. If you'd like to learn some basic concepts about the game, visit this thread.
http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/182144-all22-analysis-coverages-amp-concepts/

Thl...sorry if this has been addressed, but I'm late to the thread and haven't put myself through a second viewing of the game. One of the reviews of the game I was listening to, can't recall the show, mentioned Martin collapsing three plays in a row on runs up the middle, finally resulting in the safety. The criticism was more about the play calling than about Martin...as in "Why would you call three runs over the center position when he was getting owned?"

Were there three identical runs over centers leading up to the safety?

Good stuff, thanks for helping to dispell the BS going around that all our passing problems are due to the OL. Kap just is not cutting it. Most of our games would have been fairly competitive if we had a decent QB.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Thl...sorry if this has been addressed, but I'm late to the thread and haven't put myself through a second viewing of the game. One of the reviews of the game I was listening to, can't recall the show, mentioned Martin collapsing three plays in a row on runs up the middle, finally resulting in the safety. The criticism was more about the play calling than about Martin...as in "Why would you call three runs over the center position when he was getting owned?"

Were there three identical runs over centers leading up to the safety?

It's post 33 on like page 3....it was two FB leads and the safety was on a HB dive out of 12 personnel.

Originally posted by MFWIC:
He may well be the starting RB this week.

Just trying to learn the game a little, HC put him on the roster as a power back, so want to see how he was used as the power back in this game.

We all know thenOL is a cluster f**k, but all our RB have been behind the same O line all year. But still it seemed the RB were ineffective, is HYde that much better or just willing to get banged up ( paying price now).

Have seen tape and analysi on these RB plays previous games in this type of thread.

Again , would appreciate the effort and understand the time and real life pressure.

Guess I can just go back to thenhayne thread, but wanted to venture out and learn some detail so I am bette informed.

well, I don't have the time to do the cutups, but I can tell you a little bit to get some information on it.

He didn't have a real quick first step and would struggle in the zone stretch scheme, I think. He's a definite north/south runner and one thing the Rams did was force him to take a step to one side because of their penetration. The Rams probably played our run game more aggressively in their front than I had seen from anyone else all season. There were times when it looked like an old '46' defense. Meaning, they committed most of their guys up close to the line of scrimmage with one safety 20 yards off the ball. This is what we refer to as, "single high safety" not to be confused with, "single safety".

A single high safety is a set when the team will press the outside corners with one safety down in, "the box" - that area within 7 yards of the LOS(line of scrimmage) to help stop the run. They put the safety very deep as a true safety player to be able to attack any throws over the top and truly be a last line of defense. It's a very risky defense and puts a lot on it's corners. If a QB can throw accurate passes to the sideline, those corners are in trouble because they're truly on an island.

all that to say, it's hard to really get a good gauge on any of them because of both the pressure the Rams put on our O-line with their defense and with the fact that our O-line is the worst run blocking O-line in the league.

Originally posted by Niners816:
It's post 33 on like page 3....it was two FB leads and the safety was on a HB dive out of 12 personnel.

Thanks 816! Not that I wanted to see that again...but it is so unbelieveable!

1st down was FB Lead (Iso) that was supposed to go to the right A gap (maybe been B gap). The play was blown up because STL came with a CB blitz. Martin did fine.
2nd down was FB Lead towards the left side of the OL. Martin was not at the point of attack.
3rd down was HB Dive to the right A Gap. Martin got blown up and did factor into the safety.

So it wasn't the same plays, but they were power runs between the tackles.
The safety was shown here:
http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/183747-week-st-louis-rams-coaches-film-analysis/page3/#post33

Originally posted by thl408:
1st down was FB Lead (Iso) that was supposed to go to the right A gap (maybe been B gap). The play was blown up because STL came with a CB blitz. Martin did fine.
2nd down was FB Lead towards the left side of the OL. Martin was not at the point of attack.
3rd down was HB Dive to the right A Gap. Martin got blown up and did factor into the safety.

So it wasn't the same plays, but they were power runs between the tackles.
The safety was shown here:
http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/183747-week-st-louis-rams-coaches-film-analysis/page3/#post33

Thanks! Not sure why they would run from the two yard line, three inside tackle plays, when your middle has been unable to block consistently. Glad to hear Martin wasn't at fault for all three, though it might be difficult to assign blame by position or line call.