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Week 9 ATL Falcons coaches film analysis
Nov 11, 2015 at 5:38 PM
- tohara3
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Great job in film breakdown as usual. Enjoy reading this thread as always
Nov 11, 2015 at 9:11 PM
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Originally posted by Joecool:I noticed a huge thing that Gabbert did after the play action. Haven't seen Kap turn his head around that quick after a fake hand-off ever...I think. Kap has been more casual about resetting after a play fake.
One of the big things i can't flipping stand about kaps game, his fake handoff. Kaps playaction fake handoff are horrendous and often on the wrong side. You watch guys like Rodgers and even wilson, those guys sell the crap out of the playaction and it guys them an extra second or two
Nov 11, 2015 at 9:27 PM
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No, kap hasn't shown one believable fake all yr...all 3 yrs. Nobody ever taught him. One would have thot that the "QB Whisperer" would have instructed kap on QB skills 101, when obviously, this was one of the qb skills he lacked. Notice, he never learned the entire time here. Blame: HC, QB coach, OC . Inexcusable not to have taught kap how to fake. Look at Brady's films, Montana's films. Those guys can/could sell fakes like a magician...and it frequently paid instant dividends. Why kap even took the time to give a 1/2 fake or a 1/10 fake is beyond me. It does smack tho of lousy qb coaching as a kid, in college, and worse, really lousy qb coaching as a pro.
Nov 11, 2015 at 10:00 PM
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After a second consecutive '3 & out' by the 49ers offense, ATL gets the ball back. The 49ers would force a quick 3 and out. Here are those three plays.
Split zone versus nickel front.
Here, again I think something is tipping the 49ers off as Tartt quickly creeps up to the LoS before the snap.
Tartt splits the block of the RT and Roddy to slash into the backfield.
Tartt nearly tackles both Ryan and Freeman, but gets neither. Still he blows this play up. The RT tackle turns to look at what's happening in the backfield and this allows Cromartie to finish the play.
-4 yards.
Watch Tartt fly up to the LoS right before the snap.
Split zone versus nickel front.
Here, again I think something is tipping the 49ers off as Tartt quickly creeps up to the LoS before the snap.
Tartt splits the block of the RT and Roddy to slash into the backfield.
Tartt nearly tackles both Ryan and Freeman, but gets neither. Still he blows this play up. The RT tackle turns to look at what's happening in the backfield and this allows Cromartie to finish the play.
-4 yards.
Watch Tartt fly up to the LoS right before the snap.
Nov 11, 2015 at 10:14 PM
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The next play. 2nd & 14
Julio initially starts to line up in the slot to the right, but then motions across the formation, Ward follows him. But because Julio continues towards the sideline and ends up split wide (not the slot), Ward stops to line up over the slot WR. Normally, when a CB follows a WR, it can be an indicator of man coverage. This may be what Ryan is thinking as evidenced by what he later does.
DJ ends up lining up across from Julio. The 49ers are actually running Cover3 with the 4th rusher being Ward, the slot CB. Red are the rushers, orange are the underneath zone defenders, black are the deep zones.
Levels versus Cover3. Levels is not effective against Cover3.
Ward comes unblocked and Ryan has to quickly get rid of it. Julio's route takes him directly towards where Tartt is rotating down to, the weakside flat.
Ward following Julio gave a 'man coverage' read. But Ward ends up rushing and is unblocked. Nice disguise. Where a DC chooses to rotate his strong safety down towards, in Cover3, is a sign where the DC thinks the pass will be targeted. +4 yards.
Julio initially starts to line up in the slot to the right, but then motions across the formation, Ward follows him. But because Julio continues towards the sideline and ends up split wide (not the slot), Ward stops to line up over the slot WR. Normally, when a CB follows a WR, it can be an indicator of man coverage. This may be what Ryan is thinking as evidenced by what he later does.
DJ ends up lining up across from Julio. The 49ers are actually running Cover3 with the 4th rusher being Ward, the slot CB. Red are the rushers, orange are the underneath zone defenders, black are the deep zones.
Levels versus Cover3. Levels is not effective against Cover3.
Ward comes unblocked and Ryan has to quickly get rid of it. Julio's route takes him directly towards where Tartt is rotating down to, the weakside flat.
Ward following Julio gave a 'man coverage' read. But Ward ends up rushing and is unblocked. Nice disguise. Where a DC chooses to rotate his strong safety down towards, in Cover3, is a sign where the DC thinks the pass will be targeted. +4 yards.
Nov 11, 2015 at 10:15 PM
- Niners816
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Tartt looks like a f**king ball player. I think we are gonna see him as a steal in the second round.
Nov 11, 2015 at 10:27 PM
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After a Lynch offsides penalty on 3rd & 10, it becomes 3rd and 5.
Cover0 versus Curl-Flat
All the 49ers on the LoS are coming. TJE is to engage the LG. This will put the LT in a 2v1 situation as he has to block Lynch and DJ
TJE eats two blockers, the C and the LG.
The LT lets Lynch go so that he can block DJ. Not wise.
Ryan is thinking about something to his right. There's a Curl-Flat with a Post route from the slot WR. Notice the #1 (Julio) has a step on his CB (Ward), but Julio is not running a Go route, he's running a Curl, which makes him covered. If he was running a Go here, it would have been trouble for the 49ers. Lynch is coming.
Lynch with the sack.
-9. 3 and out.
Cover0 versus Curl-Flat
All the 49ers on the LoS are coming. TJE is to engage the LG. This will put the LT in a 2v1 situation as he has to block Lynch and DJ
TJE eats two blockers, the C and the LG.
The LT lets Lynch go so that he can block DJ. Not wise.
Ryan is thinking about something to his right. There's a Curl-Flat with a Post route from the slot WR. Notice the #1 (Julio) has a step on his CB (Ward), but Julio is not running a Go route, he's running a Curl, which makes him covered. If he was running a Go here, it would have been trouble for the 49ers. Lynch is coming.
Lynch with the sack.
-9. 3 and out.
Nov 11, 2015 at 10:35 PM
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Originally posted by jonnydel:This was a play following the previous play I posted on the TS back shoulder throw. Again, when we're backed up against our own endzone, he moves the ball out to get the chains moving and get us out of the shadow of our own endzone to change field position.
We're backed up and we're going to run a "speedo" concept off PA. It's called, "Y-speedo" or "Y-cross" sometimes. The idea is that the 2 vertical routes will clear out the zone for the deep crossing route. Think of Patton's catch last week - same concept.
we try and run PA to suck up the LB's to create more space for the crossing route - doesn't work.
The outside defender on the concept side doesn't drop with the vertical routes. He's the key defender on the play.
You see how ATL covered the play well, there's no where to go with the ball on the concept side.
Gabbert then escapes to his left.
From the endzone, you see that ATL ran a stunt to create pressure.
Pears comes off just in time, but the DT is still going to create pressure and Gabbert is going to do a good job of moving in the pocket.
He jets out to his left.
The big thing -when he gets out, he keeps his eyes downfield. This is what's going to cause the zone defender to keep dropping. He see's a QB coming out who's looking to throw and with his eyes on the QB he thinks there's a receiver behind him.
So, as he comes out, you see how much room the RB had. The defender kept retreating with no one behind him, but because Gabbert kept his eyes downfield it moved the defender.
The RB catches it and gains 12 yards. He got to his 4th read on the play and moved the chains backed up against our own endzone - that's big boy QB play. I know it's just 1 game, but it's plays like this that show you why I'm liking this guy right now.
Love facts and data. It makes all those Gabbert downers and doubters look pretty dumb right now. Gabbert has improved his game a lot. He's not the same QB he was in Jax, he's better.
Nov 11, 2015 at 10:37 PM
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I wanna go back a little bit because I forgot to mention this play. This is on ATL's first drive of the game where they kicked a FG. This is the play that forced the FG.
Mesh versus Fire Zone blitz. Mesh concept does not work versus zone unless the WR makes an on the fly adjustment. Here, ATL's WRs do not make the adjustment and we'll see what happens. Later in the game, the 49ers offense is faced with the same situation and the result is different.
49ers show pressure. DJ is the defender not blitzing. All other shown are coming.
As the WRs run the Mesh concept over the middle, there is no pick because the 49ers are in zone coverage. When WRs running Mesh see zone coverage, they need to halt their crossing routes and turn it into a spacing type concept where they stop and sit down in a quiet area between zones.
The WRs continue running and Ryan targets one of them on a crossing route. Ward is coming downhill.
Ward smacks the WR for a minimal gain. This is what happens running shallow crossers against zone coverage. +2 yards. I'll show later what Patton does when he reads zone when executing Mesh.
Mesh versus Fire Zone blitz. Mesh concept does not work versus zone unless the WR makes an on the fly adjustment. Here, ATL's WRs do not make the adjustment and we'll see what happens. Later in the game, the 49ers offense is faced with the same situation and the result is different.
49ers show pressure. DJ is the defender not blitzing. All other shown are coming.
As the WRs run the Mesh concept over the middle, there is no pick because the 49ers are in zone coverage. When WRs running Mesh see zone coverage, they need to halt their crossing routes and turn it into a spacing type concept where they stop and sit down in a quiet area between zones.
The WRs continue running and Ryan targets one of them on a crossing route. Ward is coming downhill.
Ward smacks the WR for a minimal gain. This is what happens running shallow crossers against zone coverage. +2 yards. I'll show later what Patton does when he reads zone when executing Mesh.
Nov 11, 2015 at 10:53 PM
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Back to resuming the game. This is the 49er possession after the 49ers defense had the 3 and out.
A blend of concepts combined together here. There's Mesh (red + yellow), Shallow Cross (orange + yellow), and Curl Flat (orange + purple). So there are zone busters and man busters for Gabbert to read and target. Although the Curl-Flat is not really due to how the orange route angles inwards (not really a curl).
Versus Cover 1 blitz
*Reference this thread for what Mesh/Shallow Cross/Curl Flat and more of the terms being used in this thread mean.
http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/182144-all22-analysis-coverages-amp-concepts/
Unblocked blitzer right up the middle. I think Martin's arm was being held and that prevented him from being able to move to his left to get the blitzer (blue). Verus man coverage, Gabbert needs to target the Mesh concept.
Gabbert evades the unblocked pressure by rolling right. Notice how the defender on Patton is closely following him, the defender is on the 23 yard line, but once he sees Torrey coming on the Mesh, he takes a very drastic step to his right.
Now there's separation, the defender on Patton is now on the 21 yard line, and Gabbert just released the ball targeting Patton.
+41
A blend of concepts combined together here. There's Mesh (red + yellow), Shallow Cross (orange + yellow), and Curl Flat (orange + purple). So there are zone busters and man busters for Gabbert to read and target. Although the Curl-Flat is not really due to how the orange route angles inwards (not really a curl).
Versus Cover 1 blitz
*Reference this thread for what Mesh/Shallow Cross/Curl Flat and more of the terms being used in this thread mean.
http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/182144-all22-analysis-coverages-amp-concepts/
Unblocked blitzer right up the middle. I think Martin's arm was being held and that prevented him from being able to move to his left to get the blitzer (blue). Verus man coverage, Gabbert needs to target the Mesh concept.
Gabbert evades the unblocked pressure by rolling right. Notice how the defender on Patton is closely following him, the defender is on the 23 yard line, but once he sees Torrey coming on the Mesh, he takes a very drastic step to his right.
Now there's separation, the defender on Patton is now on the 21 yard line, and Gabbert just released the ball targeting Patton.
+41
Nov 11, 2015 at 11:11 PM
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Same drive. I thought there were a total of 2 well blocked run plays by the 49ers. Here is one of them.
Split zone versus 4-3 Under front
Tiller, uncovered, gets to the second level. Pears does well to wall the DE to the outside.
Martin has inside hand position on the NT and this allows him to get away with a slight hold. All this gives Draughn a nice lane.
+11
Split zone versus 4-3 Under front
Tiller, uncovered, gets to the second level. Pears does well to wall the DE to the outside.
Martin has inside hand position on the NT and this allows him to get away with a slight hold. All this gives Draughn a nice lane.
+11
Nov 11, 2015 at 11:26 PM
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Same drive.
Double Post (orange) and Mesh (red + yellow) versus Cover3.
Mesh concept is not effective versus zone so many offenses will have the WRs make a post snap read and adjust accordingly. Patton's route is drawn all jacked up because that's the route he takes.
When executing the Mesh concept, it's important, like any other routes, to run it at the correct depth. Or else WRs will collide with one another, which is what almost happens here. Patton has to take a quick side step to avoid running into Vance.
Patton reads 'zone' and stops his route. If he keeps running, he just gets closer to green. It's been mentioned before that sending out 5 routes at the snap creates movement and reaction from defenders. By flaring out the RB at the snap, the curl/flat defender (green) is forced to widen. This creates a larger quiet area, that Patton exploits.
About the Double Posts concept.. The blue safety is late moving to cover Torrey and it's possible for Torrey to get a target. Had the blue safety been quick to follow Torrey, then that opens up the Post to Simpson. Gabbert is a bit pressured and gets rid of the ball to Patton.
+8 yards to set up a 4th & 1 that the 49ers would convert then eventually score a TD.
Double Post (orange) and Mesh (red + yellow) versus Cover3.
Mesh concept is not effective versus zone so many offenses will have the WRs make a post snap read and adjust accordingly. Patton's route is drawn all jacked up because that's the route he takes.
When executing the Mesh concept, it's important, like any other routes, to run it at the correct depth. Or else WRs will collide with one another, which is what almost happens here. Patton has to take a quick side step to avoid running into Vance.
Patton reads 'zone' and stops his route. If he keeps running, he just gets closer to green. It's been mentioned before that sending out 5 routes at the snap creates movement and reaction from defenders. By flaring out the RB at the snap, the curl/flat defender (green) is forced to widen. This creates a larger quiet area, that Patton exploits.
About the Double Posts concept.. The blue safety is late moving to cover Torrey and it's possible for Torrey to get a target. Had the blue safety been quick to follow Torrey, then that opens up the Post to Simpson. Gabbert is a bit pressured and gets rid of the ball to Patton.
+8 yards to set up a 4th & 1 that the 49ers would convert then eventually score a TD.
Nov 11, 2015 at 11:27 PM
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