After not scoring a TD for 2 games, a double handed spike is a fitting celebration.
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Week 9 ATL Falcons coaches film analysis
Nov 11, 2015 at 11:37 PM
- thl408
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Nov 11, 2015 at 11:42 PM
- DonnieDarko
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Originally posted by thl408:
After not scoring a TD for 2 games, a double handed spike is a fitting celebration.
Nov 11, 2015 at 11:51 PM
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Originally posted by thl408:
He had Torrey there for a likely TD
Nov 11, 2015 at 11:57 PM
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On ATL's drive after the 49ers first TD.
Outside zone right versus 3-4 Under front
As soon as the RG looks to double team Dorsey, Bow shoots the gap. Ian, Dorsey, and Lynch all don't give any ground and form a wall.
Bow is in the backfield and forces Freeman to run parallel to the LoS. Lynch is the one that is upfield as he forcefully sets the edge by beating the TE. The RT is seen looking for a block towards the inside.
The RT even looks behind him. This allows Cromartie to attack the edge.
-3 yards
Outside zone right versus 3-4 Under front
As soon as the RG looks to double team Dorsey, Bow shoots the gap. Ian, Dorsey, and Lynch all don't give any ground and form a wall.
Bow is in the backfield and forces Freeman to run parallel to the LoS. Lynch is the one that is upfield as he forcefully sets the edge by beating the TE. The RT is seen looking for a block towards the inside.
The RT even looks behind him. This allows Cromartie to attack the edge.
-3 yards
Nov 12, 2015 at 12:02 AM
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After looking at the gif....I think we ran a shallow cross concept over the middle along with the double post. It looks like Patton just had a little "wiggle" getting there but he checks it up over center acting as the middle hook.
So I think Geep combined his favorite concept shallow cross with a double post.
Nov 12, 2015 at 12:08 AM
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Same ATL drive.
This is an example of the odd coverage I mentioned that the 49ers played to give help on Julio. It looks a lot like Fire Zone, but the deep middle safety is clearly shaded over to Julio's side. Julio is at the bottom with Chris Davis lined up across from him. 49ers will rush 5.
Reid doesn't move and becomes an underneath defender as Cromartie stays over the top as if to play a deep zone. On the other side, Tartt does not rotate towards the middle of the field. This is not a mistake as the 49ers did this on more than one occasion.
With 5 rushers, the pocket starts to tighten and Ryan targets Julio on the Curl. Davis plays over the top and sees the throw the whole way.
Davis closes in and will make the tackle one yard shy of the first down marker.
+10. Make a lot of sense to shade the safety towards Julio Jones. Punt.
This is an example of the odd coverage I mentioned that the 49ers played to give help on Julio. It looks a lot like Fire Zone, but the deep middle safety is clearly shaded over to Julio's side. Julio is at the bottom with Chris Davis lined up across from him. 49ers will rush 5.
Reid doesn't move and becomes an underneath defender as Cromartie stays over the top as if to play a deep zone. On the other side, Tartt does not rotate towards the middle of the field. This is not a mistake as the 49ers did this on more than one occasion.
With 5 rushers, the pocket starts to tighten and Ryan targets Julio on the Curl. Davis plays over the top and sees the throw the whole way.
Davis closes in and will make the tackle one yard shy of the first down marker.
+10. Make a lot of sense to shade the safety towards Julio Jones. Punt.
Nov 12, 2015 at 12:11 AM
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Originally posted by Niners816:Good point. Very possible. I've seen Boldin make this type of adjustment on a Mesh concept before. I'm not sure now about this play.
After looking at the gif....I think we ran a shallow cross concept over the middle along with the double post. It looks like Patton just had a little "wiggle" getting there but he checks it up over center acting as the middle hook.
So I think Geep combined his favorite concept shallow cross with a double post.
Nov 12, 2015 at 5:33 AM
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Originally posted by thl408:Same drive.
Double Post (orange) and Mesh (red + yellow) versus Cover3.
Mesh concept is not effective versus zone so many offenses will have the WRs make a post snap read and adjust accordingly. Patton's route is drawn all jacked up because that's the route he takes.
When executing the Mesh concept, it's important, like any other routes, to run it at the correct depth. Or else WRs will collide with one another, which is what almost happens here. Patton has to take a quick side step to avoid running into Vance.
Patton reads 'zone' and stops his route. If he keeps running, he just gets closer to green. It's been mentioned before that sending out 5 routes at the snap creates movement and reaction from defenders. By flaring out the RB at the snap, the curl/flat defender (green) is forced to widen. This creates a larger quiet area, that Patton exploits.
About the Double Posts concept.. The blue safety is late moving to cover Torrey and it's possible for Torrey to get a target. Had the blue safety been quick to follow Torrey, then that opens up the Post to Simpson. Gabbert is a bit pressured and gets rid of the ball to Patton.
+8 yards to set up a 4th & 1 that the 49ers would convert then eventually score a TD.
Only thing on this play, Gabbert did miss Torrey for a TD, it ended up not biting us because we still scored a td kn this drive, but yiu could really see TS have the advantage from the end zone camera
Nov 12, 2015 at 5:36 AM
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Originally posted by thl408:
After not scoring a TD for 2 games, a double handed spike is a fitting celebration.
That was boss. Tom Rathman had the coolest spike in the history of the world.
Nov 12, 2015 at 6:14 AM
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Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by thl408:
Same drive.
Double Post (orange) and Mesh (red + yellow) versus Cover3.
Mesh concept is not effective versus zone so many offenses will have the WRs make a post snap read and adjust accordingly. Patton's route is drawn all jacked up because that's the route he takes.
When executing the Mesh concept, it's important, like any other routes, to run it at the correct depth. Or else WRs will collide with one another, which is what almost happens here. Patton has to take a quick side step to avoid running into Vance.
Patton reads 'zone' and stops his route. If he keeps running, he just gets closer to green. It's been mentioned before that sending out 5 routes at the snap creates movement and reaction from defenders. By flaring out the RB at the snap, the curl/flat defender (green) is forced to widen. This creates a larger quiet area, that Patton exploits.
About the Double Posts concept.. The blue safety is late moving to cover Torrey and it's possible for Torrey to get a target. Had the blue safety been quick to follow Torrey, then that opens up the Post to Simpson. Gabbert is a bit pressured and gets rid of the ball to Patton.
+8 yards to set up a 4th & 1 that the 49ers would convert then eventually score a TD.
Only thing on this play, Gabbert did miss Torrey for a TD, it ended up not biting us because we still scored a td kn this drive, but yiu could really see TS have the advantage from the end zone camera
Smith was definitely open, but not until the pressure on the edge forced Gabbert to climb the pocket. I can't tell from the gif but am assuming that, by that point, he had moved off any read for Smith and was looking for an outlet (which he found). Would have been awesome if he had found Smith here, but that's a pretty big ask of Gabbert at this point in my opinion.
Nov 12, 2015 at 6:31 AM
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Originally posted by VinculumJuris:Originally posted by jonnydel:Originally posted by thl408:Same drive.
Double Post (orange) and Mesh (red + yellow) versus Cover3.
Mesh concept is not effective versus zone so many offenses will have the WRs make a post snap read and adjust accordingly. Patton's route is drawn all jacked up because that's the route he takes.
When executing the Mesh concept, it's important, like any other routes, to run it at the correct depth. Or else WRs will collide with one another, which is what almost happens here. Patton has to take a quick side step to avoid running into Vance.
Patton reads 'zone' and stops his route. If he keeps running, he just gets closer to green. It's been mentioned before that sending out 5 routes at the snap creates movement and reaction from defenders. By flaring out the RB at the snap, the curl/flat defender (green) is forced to widen. This creates a larger quiet area, that Patton exploits.
About the Double Posts concept.. The blue safety is late moving to cover Torrey and it's possible for Torrey to get a target. Had the blue safety been quick to follow Torrey, then that opens up the Post to Simpson. Gabbert is a bit pressured and gets rid of the ball to Patton.
+8 yards to set up a 4th & 1 that the 49ers would convert then eventually score a TD.
Only thing on this play, Gabbert did miss Torrey for a TD, it ended up not biting us because we still scored a td kn this drive, but yiu could really see TS have the advantage from the end zone camera
Smith was definitely open, but not until the pressure on the edge forced Gabbert to climb the pocket. I can't tell from the gif but am assuming that, by that point, he had moved off any read for Smith and was looking for an outlet (which he found). Would have been awesome if he had found Smith here, but that's a pretty big ask of Gabbert at this point in my opinion.
The more I watch the gif the more I'm convinced this was a shallow cross concept wrapped with the double post. Usually that hook over center is the primary. I think Gabbert evaded a little pressure and went to his primary.
Nov 12, 2015 at 6:41 AM
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Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
He had Torrey there for a likely TD
I think he wanted to throw it to Torrrey but the pressure on the outside made him bail, once he had moved up, the safety was too close to Torrey.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Nov 12, 2015 at 6:44 AM ]
Nov 12, 2015 at 7:14 AM
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Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Smith was definitely open, but not until the pressure on the edge forced Gabbert to climb the pocket. I can't tell from the gif but am assuming that, by that point, he had moved off any read for Smith and was looking for an outlet (which he found). Would have been awesome if he had found Smith here, but that's a pretty big ask of Gabbert at this point in my opinion.
Tomsula said in his presser that Gabbert wanted back the throw to Patton. I think this might be the one. It could be the knock down at the 8yd line at our own goal line.
I think Gabbert had 2 chances to go to Torrey. Torrey had body position and open all the way as he break into the hash area. Had Gabbert seen it, all he has to do is throw the ball pretty much down the right hashes.
When Gabbert moved out of the pocket to his right, Torrey was still open going to the corner. If Gabbert had seen Torrey, that's a TD to the back corner.
Torrey from his initial break had the whole area right of the left hashes to work with. Even if the safety sees it coming, I don't think he's fast enough to be any good.
Nov 12, 2015 at 8:23 AM
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Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Smith was definitely open, but not until the pressure on the edge forced Gabbert to climb the pocket. I can't tell from the gif but am assuming that, by that point, he had moved off any read for Smith and was looking for an outlet (which he found). Would have been awesome if he had found Smith here, but that's a pretty big ask of Gabbert at this point in my opinion.
This is one play I can see Kap going for Torrey after the scramble.
Nov 12, 2015 at 8:25 AM
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Originally posted by SJniner7:Originally posted by Joecool:I noticed a huge thing that Gabbert did after the play action. Haven't seen Kap turn his head around that quick after a fake hand-off ever...I think. Kap has been more casual about resetting after a play fake.
One of the big things i can't flipping stand about kaps game, his fake handoff. Kaps playaction fake handoff are horrendous and often on the wrong side. You watch guys like Rodgers and even wilson, those guys sell the crap out of the playaction and it guys them an extra second or two
I'm pretty sure our RBs are coached to break the playaction and go after a free defender if they see one. Gore/Dixon/Hyde did that here.
but don't let me stop the bashing.