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Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by sacniner:
Thl, could you please breakdown the 3rd and long short dump off to QP? Or just let me know if that was Gabbert's first read, or where the play was designed to go? If and when you get time. Thanks.
Was this play, or no?
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Originally posted by Niners816:
Originally posted by sacniner:
Thl, could you please breakdown the 3rd and long short dump off to QP? Or just let me know if that was Gabbert's first read, or where the play was designed to go? If and when you get time. Thanks.
Was this that motion pop pass? If it was, I think Patton is the only read....it's essentially a run, but gets credited as a pass because its a forward lateral. West Virginia under Dana Holgerson uses this type of pass a ton.
Originally posted by sacniner:Possibly... it looked like a crossing or drag route underneath though. Maybe I'm mistaken and QP dropped it. Looked like the play Thl posted kind of.
Originally posted by thl408:
On the next 49er drive (ends with FG). This is the play before the deep bomb to Torrey.
3Q 2nd & 10
Trail concept vs Cover 1 blitz
The progression on this play is right to left (orange-red-yellow).
Gabbert completes his drop, and in this picture, has already moved to his second read, Torrey. This pulls the deep safety away from the middle of the field.
Gabbert going through progressions.
By hitting all three progressions - from right to left - it naturally moves the deep safety who is reading Gabbert's eyes. This opens up the middle of the field for Boldin.
The playaction stalls the pass rush. Good pocket.
+17 yards.
Originally posted by Niners816:
Originally posted by sacniner:
Possibly... it looked like a crossing or drag route underneath though. Maybe I'm mistaken and QP dropped it. Looked like the play Thl posted kind of.
Ok..,my biggest WTF moment was that pop pass to patton. If I'm remembering it right, it was 3rd and long and we called it. We've actually called it s couple times this year and ran it pretty much as is. I think the book is out on it because zona defended it well.
Originally posted by sacniner:Is that a WR screen basically?
Personally, I'd love to see a fake off of it with a little slide action coming against the motion.
Originally posted by 49er22:
On the play where Carson Palmer ran in the touchdown, it looked like one of the DB's could have blown him up at the goal line. On the broadcast it was tough to tell who the DB was and if he had a chance to hit Palmer as he crossed. What does the coaches film show?
Originally posted by thl408:
It's a miracle. A screen pass for over 10 yards.
+12. Good timing and selling of the play by Pears. Gets downfield and makes a block.
Originally posted by bzborow1:
Watching this one at full speed really shows what Gabbert is bringing to the offense that Kaepernick wasn't. With Colin, you'd almost always see two hops between reads before he gets the ball out. Here, Gabbert is making the reads with each hop. The difference is slight but the impact is huge. The scoreboard hasn't really changed much but the offense looks like its finally getting into a rhythmn with Blaine under center. Isn't it interesting that all of a sudden other players on the offense are starting to look decent?
What are your thoughts on Draughn? Personally I'm not convinced he's a feature back, and a lot of the room he's getting out there is because of the fact Blaine has opened up the pass game, but man is he useful out there.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by bzborow1:
Watching this one at full speed really shows what Gabbert is bringing to the offense that Kaepernick wasn't. With Colin, you'd almost always see two hops between reads before he gets the ball out. Here, Gabbert is making the reads with each hop. The difference is slight but the impact is huge. The scoreboard hasn't really changed much but the offense looks like its finally getting into a rhythmn with Blaine under center. Isn't it interesting that all of a sudden other players on the offense are starting to look decent?
What are your thoughts on Draughn? Personally I'm not convinced he's a feature back, and a lot of the room he's getting out there is because of the fact Blaine has opened up the pass game, but man is he useful out there.
The biggest difference is Kap wouldn't hit the top of his drop, plant that back foot hard and hitch forward. He would do another weird half step with that back foot that would mess up his entire base and the timing of the play. "I'm not big on mechanics" is a huge reason why he wasn't able to execute.
Originally posted by Niners816:Okay I'll look that play up. Somehow it's not ringing a bell.
Originally posted by sacniner:
Is that a WR screen basically?
Pretty much....you have that jet sweep action and the QB just pops it to the WR. It's more like a WR reverse that gets credited as a pass. I'm sure QBs love it because it helps completion %Personally, I'd love to see a fake off of it with a little slide action coming against the motion.
Originally posted by 49er22:It was Acker. It does seem like he could have lit up Palmer if he wanted to, but I think Palmer still crosses the goal line. I'll show the overhead angle of that play later.
On the play where Carson Palmer ran in the touchdown, it looked like one of the DB's could have blown him up at the goal line. On the broadcast it was tough to tell who the DB was and if he had a chance to hit Palmer as he crossed. What does the coaches film show?
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by bzborow1:
Watching this one at full speed really shows what Gabbert is bringing to the offense that Kaepernick wasn't. With Colin, you'd almost always see two hops between reads before he gets the ball out. Here, Gabbert is making the reads with each hop. The difference is slight but the impact is huge. The scoreboard hasn't really changed much but the offense looks like its finally getting into a rhythmn with Blaine under center. Isn't it interesting that all of a sudden other players on the offense are starting to look decent?
What are your thoughts on Draughn? Personally I'm not convinced he's a feature back, and a lot of the room he's getting out there is because of the fact Blaine has opened up the pass game, but man is he useful out there.
The biggest difference is Kap wouldn't hit the top of his drop, plant that back foot hard and hitch forward. He would do another weird half step with that back foot that would mess up his entire base and the timing of the play. "I'm not big on mechanics" is a huge reason why he wasn't able to execute.
Gabbert do the hitch to wait for his receiver. Kaep do the hitch, and hitches to see who's open.
Originally posted by bzborow1:Gabbert does seem tighter on his footwork when dropping back. Like you said the difference is not small when it comes to extra hops. That one extra hop is the difference between throwing exactly when the WR exits his break, or allowing the CB to recover. Boldin will create separation when he breaks, but CBs will recover and close the gap. Just like the play shown (Trail concept).
Watching this one at full speed really shows what Gabbert is bringing to the offense that Kaepernick wasn't. With Colin, you'd almost always see two hops between reads before he gets the ball out. Here, Gabbert is making the reads with each hop. The difference is slight but the impact is huge. The scoreboard hasn't really changed much but the offense looks like its finally getting into a rhythmn with Blaine under center. Isn't it interesting that all of a sudden other players on the offense are starting to look decent?
What are your thoughts on Draughn? Personally I'm not convinced he's a feature back, and a lot of the room he's getting out there is because of the fact Blaine has opened up the pass game, but man is he useful out there.
Originally posted by Niners816:Originally posted by thl408:It's a miracle. A screen pass for over 10 yards.
+12. Good timing and selling of the play by Pears. Gets downfield and makes a block.
This needs like it's own thread, maybe pinned at the top to commemorate the occasion of completing an actual screen pass.
Smiley emoji will suffice though.
