"I was seeing ghosts," Keenum said, via ESPN.com. "I was seeing things that weren't there. I wasn't trusting myself and my abilities. I tried too hard. I just have to let the game come to me, take what the defense gives me, trust my teammates — they do a great job — and get the ball out of my hands to the right place."
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Week 1 2016 Rams Game coaches film analysis
Sep 15, 2016 at 8:23 AM
- 49ersOnMINE
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Great Job guys.. Best thread on NT! reading all the breakdowns on defense got me more pump for this season, I know there will be hiccups down the road but seeing all the defensive plays calls and how JoN mixed it up only arrows up from here on. Btw here's what Keenum said, its probably mix of both the defensive calls and how weak he is as a qb lol
Sep 15, 2016 at 8:34 AM
- Joecool
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Originally posted by SoCold:Originally posted by jonnydel:Originally posted by thl408:Here's a play that spreads the field. This is a variant of the Hank concept that uses three Curls and two Flat routes to place a WR at all parts of the field. This forces zone defenders to cover more area.
vs Tampa 2
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It's another one of those plays where he'll look really good - he's able to move through his progressions and get the ball out on time - watch his footwork, 5 steps and a hitch after the plant foot - perfect time and the hitch moves him up in the pocket just enough to help Staley out who's trying to drive Quinn past the QB. He's got great accuracy and a lot of zip on the ball - there's many QB's who don't have the quick release or arm strength to get that ball in without the corner breaking on the ball. It's just some of those other passes and things - "he's teasing me, he's teasing me!!!!" It's just that right now he's part Aaron Rodgers and part Case Keenum...
It helps when the CB takes a horrible angle then falls down. lol If that dude stops turns his hips and cuts back to the ball it could have made a play on the ball.
Not sure if he breaks it up but that's how 12 yard passes turn into 35 yarders.
But the check downs were wide open. One would think Gabbert takes those in a second.
Sep 15, 2016 at 9:03 AM
- wolfpack2192
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People are freaking out about Gabbert here, like he played like the Rams QB..... It's going to get marginally better as he gets more comfortable in the system and is starting regularly. He will complete around 62% of his passes, I have no doubt he'll clean up some of the screen passes, and I think he will try to push the ball in right holes. It may result in a pick or two but it will work to score more times then it doesn't. Let's Judge him mid season instead of calling him the worst thing since Keenun in his first game back in a NEW system.
Sep 15, 2016 at 9:04 AM
- father49er
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This thread is so good.
Sep 15, 2016 at 9:25 AM
- thl408
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Originally posted by jonnydel:Good list. The bolded names really stood out to me. I'll add Patton into top performers. I thought he had a good game minus the "harmless" fumbles. Caught everything thrown his way and blocked well. Honorable mention to Dial and Reid. If I had to nitpick and select an underperformer I'd go with Beadles while understanding he drew a very tough assignment in ADonald.
Originally posted by communist:
Thanks guys, tremendous read, as always.
Just a question:
Would you mind to name a few players who performed VERY good and mention the underwhelming ones?
Well, in a 28-0 game, you're not going to see a lot of underwhelming performance. A lot of things need to go right for that to happen, so it's hard to look at anybody and say, "underwhelming". The drops from WR's were frustrating - the one Celek had was really frustrating because it was a really good pass from BG.
The top performers IMO, were Ward, Bowman, Brock, Staley, Brown and Kerley. They all executed their assignments very well and did their job - and did it well.
Sep 15, 2016 at 9:30 AM
- jonnydel
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Originally posted by wolfpack2192:
People are freaking out about Gabbert here, like he played like the Rams QB..... It's going to get marginally better as he gets more comfortable in the system and is starting regularly. He will complete around 62% of his passes, I have no doubt he'll clean up some of the screen passes, and I think he will try to push the ball in right holes. It may result in a pick or two but it will work to score more times then it doesn't. Let's Judge him mid season instead of calling him the worst thing since Keenun in his first game back in a NEW system.
Those are good points - If you look at what he did Monday night, there were actually improvements on a few areas from the pre-season and last season. One of the complaints people had about him was that he didn't take enough shots downfield - I remember at least 6 or so shots that would fit in that, "deep" category. Also, we all saw how awful his swing pass to Hyde in the pre-season - he hit those in stride this game.
Sep 15, 2016 at 9:33 AM
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Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
Originally posted by thl408:
I think that does it. Let me know if there's a certain play you'd like to see cut up. Fun looking at a 49ers win. Let's hope there's more of it. Defense was awesome this game regardless of the lowly Rams offense is. So many Ram '3 and outs'. That was a dominating defensive performance.
Thx for your service kind sir. Btw did we count how many bad throws Gabbert had and at what time it was his last.
Also, do you think he's at his peak in this system and himself?
To me, there's no way a QB that is 26 years old is peaking at anything except maybe his 40 time and benchpress. I still view him as a young QB and this will be his first time starting since 2013. We should look for improvement as the season goes along. See if he can get rid of bad habits and if the game seems to slow down for him. He has a good OL. Good enough for us to realistically demand functional, consistent QB play. His WR weapons aren't good, but still, the OL seems to be there and he has a good RB so he should be able to make it work.
Sep 15, 2016 at 9:34 AM
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Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by jonnydel:Good list. The bolded names really stood out to me. I'll add Patton into top performers. I thought he had a good game minus the "harmless" fumbles. Caught everything thrown his way and blocked well. Honorable mention to Dial and Reid. If I had to nitpick and select an underperformer I'd go with Beadles while understanding he drew a very tough assignment in ADonald.
Originally posted by communist:
Thanks guys, tremendous read, as always.
Just a question:
Would you mind to name a few players who performed VERY good and mention the underwhelming ones?
Well, in a 28-0 game, you're not going to see a lot of underwhelming performance. A lot of things need to go right for that to happen, so it's hard to look at anybody and say, "underwhelming". The drops from WR's were frustrating - the one Celek had was really frustrating because it was a really good pass from BG.
The top performers IMO, were Ward, Bowman, Brock, Staley, Brown and Kerley. They all executed their assignments very well and did their job - and did it well.
Good point at the end there we definitely do that around here...forget who is lining up across from one of our guys. Like some of the best in the business aren't going to get theirs and make plays now and then. I have seriously seen WTF's in game day threads when JJ Damn Watt gets around Staley or somebody for a sack or Brady is like carving up our secondary in the two minute drill. It's like SEROUSLY...you see who that is right. They do that to everyone, everywhere, all the time. That is why everyone in the country knows their damn name. Not to say that Donald is a household name....but he is a name you know if you watch football and an elite young talent. That guy is going to win battles against the best and win most of them against even the above average.
Sep 15, 2016 at 9:37 AM
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Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
Originally posted by thl408:
I think that does it. Let me know if there's a certain play you'd like to see cut up. Fun looking at a 49ers win. Let's hope there's more of it. Defense was awesome this game regardless of the lowly Rams offense is. So many Ram '3 and outs'. That was a dominating defensive performance.
Thx for your service kind sir. Btw did we count how many bad throws Gabbert had and at what time it was his last.
Also, do you think he's at his peak in this system and himself?
To me, there's no way a QB that is 26 years old is peaking at anything except maybe his 40 time and benchpress. I still view him as a young QB and this will be his first time starting since 2013. We should look for improvement as the season goes along. See if he can get rid of bad habits and if the game seems to slow down for him. He has a good OL. Good enough for us to realistically demand functional, consistent QB play. His WR weapons aren't good, but still, the OL seems to be there and he has a good RB so he should be able to make it work.
I pointed it out in another thread in it kind of got lost in the shuffle but it is really worth noting this is a guy who the Jags let get murdered on the regular. Defenses pinned their ears back and attacked like rabid dogs on every drop back and we didn't do any favors for him last year either. If his accuracy problem indeed comes from rushing his process and we continue to protect well this year, he might just get a little more faith in his protection and that alone could take a few of those gutterballs and flyaways out of the equation.
Sep 15, 2016 at 9:42 AM
- Niners816
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Originally posted by thl408:Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:Originally posted by thl408:I think that does it. Let me know if there's a certain play you'd like to see cut up. Fun looking at a 49ers win. Let's hope there's more of it. Defense was awesome this game regardless of the lowly Rams offense is. So many Ram '3 and outs'. That was a dominating defensive performance.
Thx for your service kind sir. Btw did we count how many bad throws Gabbert had and at what time it was his last.
Also, do you think he's at his peak in this system and himself?
To me, there's no way a QB that is 26 years old is peaking at anything except maybe his 40 time and benchpress. I still view him as a young QB and this will be his first time starting since 2013. We should look for improvement as the season goes along. See if he can get rid of bad habits and if the game seems to slow down for him. He has a good OL. Good enough for us to realistically demand functional, consistent QB play. His WR weapons aren't good, but still, the OL seems to be there and he has a good RB so he should be able to make it work.
QBs peak late. Hell Steve youngs peak was at 33 years old. To think of it so was Joe's, he was 33 in 1989. He can still put it together and craft a nice career, but it's gonna take work and good coaching. I pretty sure he's gonna get good coaching. He just needs to keep improving.
Sep 15, 2016 at 9:49 AM
- thl408
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Originally posted by AmpLee:
I'm curious what PFF could have seen that graded Brown so poorly and Brockers so highly? Was it that 3rd quarter?
I thought he was fine. No pressures or hits given up that I remember. Surprised he was graded as having a bad game. But I don't really notice players unless they stand out negatively or positively. I'm mostly watching for playcalls from the offense and defense.
Sep 15, 2016 at 10:03 AM
- agumby
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nice work again jonnydel,
these threads really help us aussie illiterates understand more what we should be watching for
once again thank you
these threads really help us aussie illiterates understand more what we should be watching for
once again thank you
Sep 15, 2016 at 10:03 AM
- thl408
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Originally posted by jonnydel:
Well, in a 28-0 game, you're not going to see a lot of underwhelming performance. A lot of things need to go right for that to happen, so it's hard to look at anybody and say, "underwhelming". The drops from WR's were frustrating - the one Celek had was really frustrating because it was a really good pass from BG.
The top performers IMO, were Ward, Bowman, Brock, Staley, Brown and Kerley. They all executed their assignments very well and did their job - and did it well.
What did you think about JoN's scheme and his playbook? My initial thoughts are he has a huge playbook with all the multiple fronts, personnel packages, blitz packages, coverages that don't fit into any cookie cutter label (Cover1, Cover3 etc). Lots of exotic looks. We saw the Big Nickel with 2CBs + 3 safeties being matched up against 2WR personnel from the Rams. He wasn't kidding when he said something like, "all the ILBs will get snaps", with Hodges getting almost 20 snaps. I saw Cromartie in there as well as DJohnson. Tartt and Reid blitzing. Tartt/Reid/Beathea all took turns being close to the LoS and being the lone deep safety.
We saw the blown coverages which point to the players needing to be thinkers post snap. I like his scheme so long as he can teach it to the players. It is multiple and incorporates concepts that will force an offense to think and gameplan for all the odd coverages and blitz packages. My only concern is whether he's trying to do too much. Most likely, this is a case where it will take an entire season for the players to all get on the same page, all the time. This defense will not be easy to learn but one thing it has going for them are the smart safeties in Reid/Bethea who can be like coaches on the field, especially Bethea.
edit: was wrong about Cromartie being on the field. Checked the snapcounts and he was not on for any defensive snaps.
[ Edited by thl408 on Sep 15, 2016 at 10:23 AM ]
Sep 15, 2016 at 10:50 AM
- qnnhan7
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Can you guys take a look at that quick out from Gabbert to Torrey Smith, 2nd offensive play of the game. You can clearly see Smith took a couple of shuffle steps backward before catching the ball. It looks to me like that was the reason the pass ended up short. That one look like it's more on Smith to me. Had Smith stayed where he was it would have been most likely at his waist.
[ Edited by qnnhan7 on Sep 15, 2016 at 10:51 AM ]
Sep 15, 2016 at 11:03 AM
- BuZzB05
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Originally posted by Joecool:Originally posted by BuZzB05:Originally posted by Bluesbro:This pocket is a think of beauty
Look at Cowboys Olines had a great block on one each other. Now I am happy that 49ers Oline work good block for one each other.
I don't know what's more impressive, us blocking 3 guys or us scoring a passing TD in the Redzone on what appears to be max cover with a delayed rush?
You don't notice that Stanley was ready to block a defense guy coming there then us blocking 4 guys because they are work to block for protect our quarterback (Gabbert). Give him plenty time and throw to any wide receivers for forwards yards and score for TDs. I am watch the cowboys Oline had a great block and protect when I am figure out that I am intrigued and understand the football game. I want 49ers Oline can copy them cowboys Oline are great. Did you watch Cowboys Oline vs Seahawks defense at 2014 when cowboys won cuz they are great block and fight to beat on Seahawks defense.
[ Edited by BuZzB05 on Sep 15, 2016 at 11:03 AM ]