2016 Week 2 Carolina Panthers coaches film analysis

Originally posted by thl408:

This play started the comeback that wasn't. 3rd & 2. Cover1

Haha

LMAO. What is this Three Stoogery!?

Very frustrating. Just looking at all these VID's, Gabbert left a fair amount of plays on the field. If he could have waited a second longer on some of these, he would have noticed some some players with some serious daylight.

If I'm Chip Kelly and the offensive staff, I'm stressing to Gabbert this week that he IS being protected and for the most part, the pockets are very clean. He's gotta stick it out in that pocket for another second and work some magic. Ala Aaron Rodgers. I hope Gabbert can see this and show some improvement this coming weekend. There is nothing I would love more then a win in Seattle!!

Originally posted by amosmac28:

Very frustrating. Just looking at all these VID's, Gabbert left a fair amount of plays on the field. If he could have waited a second longer on some of these, he would have noticed some some players with some serious daylight.

If I'm Chip Kelly and the offensive staff, I'm stressing to Gabbert this week that he IS being protected and for the most part, the pockets are very clean. He's gotta stick it out in that pocket for another second and work some magic. Ala Aaron Rodgers. I hope Gabbert can see this and show some improvement this coming weekend. There is nothing I would love more then a win in Seattle!!

Agree. His two biggest issues, inaccuracy and not recognizing plays developing downfield, are a product of rushing himself. He just needs to stay calm for a split second longer, go through his progression, set his base, and make the throw. The pass pro is giving him a clean pocket and enough time.

Originally posted by SofaKing:
Agree. His two biggest issues, inaccuracy and not recognizing plays developing downfield, are a product of rushing himself. He just needs to stay calm for a split second longer, go through his progression, set his base, and make the throw. The pass pro is giving him a clean pocket and enough time.

Agreed!

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by thl408:
This was a play that had to be looked at again because it was hard to believe.First possession of 2nd half. 3rd & 8.

Gabbert sees that with a 3 blockers vs 2 CBs advantage, a RB screen will work. Makes sense. CAR shows blitz but will rush 3 with reds dropping off.


Maybe WRs should block on a screen pass.

That is an odd play. When I saw it live, my initial reaction was to question why the heck Gabbert would checkdown on 3rd & 8.

Looking at it on the all-22, I think you're probably right in that the WRs blew the blocking assignment. Playcall was probably a RB screen.

After looking at a lot of plays, it seemed like CAR was overcommitting and taking some gambles a lot. Not sure why we didn't run more misdirections to break them.

Originally posted by Joecool:
After looking at a lot of plays, it seemed like CAR was overcommitting and taking some gambles a lot. Not sure why we didn't run more misdirections to break them.

Yep, hence my OP saying I felt we got out-coached. But it wasn't in the, "our coach has no freakin' what's going on out there" kind of way. It was the, "panthers did their homework and had a great game-plan against us that worked in a number of ways."

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by Niners816:
haha....I want my captain checkdown back. That's never been a bad word in my understanding of offense and I've heard some dude eons ago with the initials BW made a whole offense wearing out the art of the checkdown and run after catch.

Seriously though in this case, I think they might have got the first down or at worst set up a 4th and short.

RAC is the important part there. Blaine throwing these short passes into the dirt do nothing to put the receiver in a position to get any extra yards.

Sure Blaine throws so ugly balls but if you look at the film you will see more often than not that the ball placement is good on his short throws and allowed for multiple RACs against the Panthers.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Joecool:
After looking at a lot of plays, it seemed like CAR was overcommitting and taking some gambles a lot. Not sure why we didn't run more misdirections to break them.

Yep, hence my OP saying I felt we got out-coached. But it wasn't in the, "our coach has no freakin' what's going on out there" kind of way. It was the, "panthers did their homework and had a great game-plan against us that worked in a number of ways."

So many plays where CAR took big gambles with over committing. I know Kelly calls plays to set them up for something else later, but a lot of times, it doesn't appear the adjustments happen soon enough. Almost as if he gets into tunnel vision.

In-Game flow of play calling and adjustments is what separates the best OC's from the 2nd tier. Honestly, sometimes these types of OC's only come decades apart. Seems like these days, too much is dependent on the script or install.

Originally posted by amosmac28:
Very frustrating. Just looking at all these VID's, Gabbert left a fair amount of plays on the field. If he could have waited a second longer on some of these, he would have noticed some some players with some serious daylight.

If I'm Chip Kelly and the offensive staff, I'm stressing to Gabbert this week that he IS being protected and for the most part, the pockets are very clean. He's gotta stick it out in that pocket for another second and work some magic. Ala Aaron Rodgers. I hope Gabbert can see this and show some improvement this coming weekend. There is nothing I would love more then a win in Seattle!!

A lot of QB's do this, especially the ones who are trusted by their OC/HC to have multiple options on every play. Cam Newton's reads or post snap options are not as complex or multiple as a Chip Kelly offense or someone like Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers. Carolina runs a similar offense to what we did with Kap in Jim Harbaugh's offense or similar to a Norv Turner offense. These are based off of play action so the reads are easier and predetermined.

When a QB ends up with multiple post snap options, QB's do not always throw it to the widest open receiver. However, Gabbert does need to be accurate to the receiver he does throw it to.

I spent a lot of time yesterday on the offense and the good and bad - today, we're going to look at, "D-Fence, D-Fence, D-Fence".

Here's one of those head-scratcher plays . I understand what they're trying to do, they're trying to create some pressure on Cam while taking away the deep shot late in a half, but it's a play that you should really never run against a mobile QB like Cam. It was just too easy for a guy like him.

:33 2nd QTR.


First, we're going to show a press-alignment across the board and 2 really deep safeties. Buckner bites on a hard count and reveals he's going to rush to the TE side. Cam see's that the middle of the field is going to be open and audibles the play to a QB draw.


By the time the ball is snapped, you see how deep the safeties are. Bethea is 26 yards deep and Reid is 18 yards deep - that's deep..... The problem with this is that it's going to leave so much room underneath that they never account for a run. This is fine if you're sure the other team is going to pass, but with 33 seconds left and the Panthers on the edge of FG territory, you have to still account for a run. If a run breaks that first line of defense, you have no help for a looooooong ways.


From this angle you see what Cam saw - he's got 4 blockers on 3 guys.


Because he also saw us in man-coverage he knows that Bowman will go with the RB and the DB's on the outside are gonna watch their man, not him - "I got a bad feeling about this".


Tolbert just had to get a piece of Bowman to be effective and now you have Armstead in 2v1 with a Cam Newton hitting stride..."uh oh"...


This is where the deep safeties are going to bite ya, Reid is the closest one and he's now left with Cam newton is a huge open field space who also has a lineman running downfield - there aint a safety in the league who makes that play.


Here, you see the predicament Reid is in - you're in a no win situation, bub. The Panthers pick up 17 yards and put themselves in FG position. This is where they kick the FG from to go up 17-10 at the end of the first half....

I really don't like this call at this time. If there was less time on the clock, maybe. But with 33 seconds, they still had plenty of time to run the ball and play for a FG. I understand not wanting to give up a TD in this spot, but there are other ways to do it than this that exposes your defense to something like this against this QB.

Originally posted by matguy87:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by Niners816:
haha....I want my captain checkdown back. That's never been a bad word in my understanding of offense and I've heard some dude eons ago with the initials BW made a whole offense wearing out the art of the checkdown and run after catch.

Seriously though in this case, I think they might have got the first down or at worst set up a 4th and short.

RAC is the important part there. Blaine throwing these short passes into the dirt do nothing to put the receiver in a position to get any extra yards.

Sure Blaine throws so ugly balls but if you look at the film you will see more often than not that the ball placement is good on his short throws and allowed for multiple RACs against the Panthers.

And that's what's so frustrating with the guy, for me. He does have the ability, it's bringing up the consistency level so that he's more functional and efficient.

For example, he had one pass on a button hook to Kerley where the ball placement was absolutely perfect. It was to the outside shoulder, away from the defender, so as Kerley turned to catch it, he evaded the defender and was able to take off and scamper for a 17 yard gain on an 8 yard throw.

But then there's the dirt balls to Smith and another one to Kerley....

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by amosmac28:
Very frustrating. Just looking at all these VID's, Gabbert left a fair amount of plays on the field. If he could have waited a second longer on some of these, he would have noticed some some players with some serious daylight.

If I'm Chip Kelly and the offensive staff, I'm stressing to Gabbert this week that he IS being protected and for the most part, the pockets are very clean. He's gotta stick it out in that pocket for another second and work some magic. Ala Aaron Rodgers. I hope Gabbert can see this and show some improvement this coming weekend. There is nothing I would love more then a win in Seattle!!

A lot of QB's do this, especially the ones who are trusted by their OC/HC to have multiple options on every play. Cam Newton's reads or post snap options are not as complex or multiple as a Chip Kelly offense or someone like Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers. Carolina runs a similar offense to what we did with Kap in Jim Harbaugh's offense or similar to a Norv Turner offense. These are based off of play action so the reads are easier and predetermined.

When a QB ends up with multiple post snap options, QB's do not always throw it to the widest open receiver. However, Gabbert does need to be accurate to the receiver he does throw it to.

Chip's offense, in it's play design is very similar to what we were trying to do the first half of the season in 2014. We had a lot of split field reads - where we'd work one concept to one side and another concept to another. It was a much more complex passing game. What I really liked about that time in our offense was that we had meshed that with a large volume of plays so that the opposing defense was having a harder time recognizing the plays before they began. The problem was that we were doing well, but not scoring points. We left a lot of reads and plays out on the field. As the season progressed we heard terms like, "we need to get back to who we are" and, "we're not really operating to our identity" from news reports. What I saw was that we kept leaving plays on the field so we started going back to more half field reads with 3x1 route tree's. We'd run one concept to one side of the field and then have a 1x1 type of route on the opposite side.

The thing about Chip's offense though, there's not a huge volume. We saw that in the Rams game and I saw it a few times in this game - the D was ready to pounce on some of our passing plays because they knew some things were coming.

But, hey, we're scoring more points, so if it works, it works....

Here's another run from the same 2 min drill drive. The frustrating thing was that we gave up 42 yards on running plays in the last 2 min of the half.


here, Carolina comes out with "21" personnel. We counter with a "nickel" sub. We bring in Robinson and put Ward in the slot and we're running either cover 4 or cover 2 zone. This puts us at a numbers disadvantage in the run game. You see the Panthers have 7 big bodies against 6 big bodies and Ward in the box. Carolina was able to play good run defense by their stud DT's plus bring another defensive element into the box late. We do not do either. The problem with playing 2 deep against 2 TE's like this is that you get outflanked as a defense. Brooks has already lost outside contain by leverage from the TE. You'd have to have another element in the box on that side to contain an outside run - we do not.


The Panthers just run an outside sweep play. We used to call this "28 sweep" or under a WCO, "48 sweep". They pull the T and the C to lead around on the run. You see the TE has a great angle on Brooks for a downblock as well as the guard on Armstead and the backside players are just trying to hold their men up.


Brooks gets totally washed down inside and now you're having an, "uh oh" moment. Bethea is coming down in run support, but there's still a lot of ground to try and collapse on this run. Bowman has inside out responsibility. He has to check for the cutback inside run first, as Bethea and Ray Ray's jobs are to funnel the run back towards him, then play outside run.


Bethea does come in to make a pile and force the run back, but Ray Ray is completely swallowed up by the pulling lineman.


This leaves a big gap for Bowman to try and cover


The lane is too big and Bowman can't get there with Ray Ray being washed out of the play. It's a run of 25 yards to start out the drive before the half.

I get trying to protect against the pass, but you gotta set yourself up to defend the edges better and not allow yourself to get outflanked. Whether that would've been keeping Hodges in as a bigger body or bringing a safety down. I don't like the match-up here from the start.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by amosmac28:
Very frustrating. Just looking at all these VID's, Gabbert left a fair amount of plays on the field. If he could have waited a second longer on some of these, he would have noticed some some players with some serious daylight.

If I'm Chip Kelly and the offensive staff, I'm stressing to Gabbert this week that he IS being protected and for the most part, the pockets are very clean. He's gotta stick it out in that pocket for another second and work some magic. Ala Aaron Rodgers. I hope Gabbert can see this and show some improvement this coming weekend. There is nothing I would love more then a win in Seattle!!

A lot of QB's do this, especially the ones who are trusted by their OC/HC to have multiple options on every play. Cam Newton's reads or post snap options are not as complex or multiple as a Chip Kelly offense or someone like Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers. Carolina runs a similar offense to what we did with Kap in Jim Harbaugh's offense or similar to a Norv Turner offense. These are based off of play action so the reads are easier and predetermined.

When a QB ends up with multiple post snap options, QB's do not always throw it to the widest open receiver. However, Gabbert does need to be accurate to the receiver he does throw it to.

Chip's offense, in it's play design is very similar to what we were trying to do the first half of the season in 2014. We had a lot of split field reads - where we'd work one concept to one side and another concept to another. It was a much more complex passing game. What I really liked about that time in our offense was that we had meshed that with a large volume of plays so that the opposing defense was having a harder time recognizing the plays before they began. The problem was that we were doing well, but not scoring points. We left a lot of reads and plays out on the field. As the season progressed we heard terms like, "we need to get back to who we are" and, "we're not really operating to our identity" from news reports. What I saw was that we kept leaving plays on the field so we started going back to more half field reads with 3x1 route tree's. We'd run one concept to one side of the field and then have a 1x1 type of route on the opposite side.

The thing about Chip's offense though, there's not a huge volume. We saw that in the Rams game and I saw it a few times in this game - the D was ready to pounce on some of our passing plays because they knew some things were coming.

But, hey, we're scoring more points, so if it works, it works....

Could you go over that first interception? I think the defense saw that play coming and jumped that route pretty easily.

Originally posted by matguy87:
Could you go over that first interception? I think the defense saw that play coming and jumped that route pretty easily.

I can, it'll be probably about an hour before I get to it :)