2016 Week 2 Carolina Panthers coaches film analysis

^^ Big missed opportunity to Patton. I noticed it on the TV broadcast as well.

Gabbert basically has the same issue as Kap in that he has his mind made up at times and won't allow or doesn't recognize plays developing in front of him. I'm sure he correctly reads Cover 2 but assumes the middle of the field won't be open, instead of trusting the play design and reading what's happening post snap.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
that's why stats don't tell the whole story and I watch the film - there was one throw that was off-target because they blitzed a DB off the edge, Hyde picked it up but got pushed back slightly and Gab had to shuffle forward and reset - causing the ball to come out late and he threw knew it was coming out late and threw it high and outside, away from the closing safety. That's a play where the defense isn't credited with a pressure but you can't say it was a clean pocket either - considering the right throw would've come out sooner in the seam.

There was another play where he threw an out route and Hyde got pushed into him so that as he threw he got knocked backwards - not credited as a pressure but another play where the rush was affecting the throw.

Another play, same thing but Kilgore got driven back into Gabbert who was knocked to the ground during the throw and it wasn't credited as a pressure because it was Kilgore who made contact with him to knock him down.

But you're right...those are excuses....

This is why I say I write up the QB stuff at the end - I talked about Gabbert missing throws and playing scared, "never read so many excuses"

But you're right, how could anyone call Gabbert inconsistent - it's only what Greg Cosell, Steve Young, Trent Dilger and others have said as well.....

So playing scared, when he isn't being hurried, isn't an excuse? So then Kap is basically battle scarred and a war veteran compared to what Gabbert has experienced in just 2 games. I never said he had a clean pocket, I said he was only hurried 5 times in 2 games. A ridiculously low amount. Go add up all the clean pockets for other QBs and see if it was more than what Gab got so far this season.

Those points you made happen to ever team and every QB, that doesn't mean you get to add them to the hurried stat. Lol. Yes that is an excuse.

Dude still hasn't won 2 games in a row, in 10 games for the Niners, and on 2 different teams, but you're right, he's inconsistent.....we need to see more.........he will improve..........

Originally posted by awp8912:
So playing scared, when he isn't being hurried, isn't an excuse? So then Kap is basically battle scarred and a war veteran compared to what Gabbert has experienced in just 2 games. I never said he had a clean pocket, I said he was only hurried 5 times in 2 games. A ridiculously low amount. Go add up all the clean pockets for other QBs and see if it was more than what Gab got so far this season.

Those points you made happen to ever team and every QB, that doesn't mean you get to add them to the hurried stat. Lol. Yes that is an excuse.

Dude still hasn't won 2 games in a row, in 10 games for the Niners, and on 2 different teams, but you're right, he's inconsistent.....we need to see more.........he will improve..........

how is saying someone is playing scared an excuse?? I really am confused - isn't that saying something negative?? That's how I meant it....whatev though, to each their own.

I organized this game all out of order so it's not very chronological.
Here is one concept, a variation of the zone read, that can be used to combat a DT that is hard to block - block him with the QB. There were more of these outside zone reads in this game, my guess is due to the stud DTs in the middle of CAR's defense.
1st Quarter - Inverted Veer. Whereas on a typical zone read play the QB can give to the RB to dive up the middle or the QB keeps to attack the edge, the Inverted Veer switches their roles.
Short is #99.


Short is unblocked and read by Gabbert. If Short stays to defend Gabbert, then give it to the HB. If Short chases the HB, then Gabbert keeps and runs it up the middle.


+6. Short still chases down the play.

Here's one of those, "flashes" plays from Gabbert - he does everything right, and one reason, some might call him "inconsistent" LOLLLLLL


Here the Panthers start out by showing a quarters coverage or cover 4 look. You see the cushion across the board. We're going to run a short out/streak, kind of like an "ohio" concept to the far side - the correct read if they were playing cover 4 as you'd have a WR with outside leverage on a LB/S type with a blocker out front.

On the backside we're going to run a "mills" concept with a DIG and Post route combo.


At the snap Gabbert looks to the short out and see's the corner bailing on his quarter coverage as the Panthers have actually shifted into a cover 6 (4+2) defense. So, they're playing cover 2 zone on the top and cover 4 zone on the bottom.


He checks the drop of the safety to make sure he can't take a shot on the streak and moves on.


He then moves on to his 3rd and 4th reads for a hi/lo read on a mills concept against cover 4. The DIG route brings the safety up and Gabbert see's this and throws Torrey open to the middle of the field. This shows good progression as a QB, he recognizes the split coverage and knows that against cover 4 on the post you have to throw the ball with air under it.


He does a good job of leading Torrey into the open space.


Touchdown 49ers!!!!

Here's another Inverted Veer where the 49ers read a different excellent defender - Keucly (sp).



Keucly stays home so give to the RB. Brown whiffs on the block.


-3. Point is these outside runs are designed to attack the edges, away from the DTs and Keuchly. Gabbert was used to "block" one of these stud defenders.


From this angle you can see the safety, who was aligned at Quarters depth come up to support the run. Safeties playing Quarters are not aligned deep - like a Cover 2 safety would - and are very much a part of the run fit.

Seems to me the 49ers will face similar issues schematically against Seattle.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Here's one of those, "flashes" plays from Gabbert - he does everything right, and one reason, some might call him "inconsistent" LOLLLLLL


Here the Panthers start out by showing a quarters coverage or cover 4 look. You see the cushion across the board. We're going to run a short out/streak, kind of like an "ohio" concept to the far side - the correct read if they were playing cover 4 as you'd have a WR with outside leverage on a LB/S type with a blocker out front.

On the backside we're going to run a "mills" concept with a DIG and Post route combo.


At the snap Gabbert looks to the short out and see's the corner bailing on his quarter coverage as the Panthers have actually shifted into a cover 6 (4+2) defense. So, they're playing cover 2 zone on the top and cover 4 zone on the bottom.


He checks the drop of the safety to make sure he can't take a shot on the streak and moves on.


He then moves on to his 3rd and 4th reads for a hi/lo read on a mills concept against cover 4. The DIG route brings the safety up and Gabbert see's this and throws Torrey open to the middle of the field. This shows good progression as a QB, he recognizes the split coverage and knows that against cover 4 on the post you have to throw the ball with air under it.


He does a good job of leading Torrey into the open space.


Touchdown 49ers!!!!

I think CAR is in Quarters on both sides of the field which is why the Fade route isn't available due to the safety not having enough depth for Gabbert to hit the Fade like a Cover 2 safety would. Torrey got his only big catch in the Rams game on this same route combination in front of the Cover 2 safety.
Gabbert shows patience, doesn't panic when his first two reads aren't there, continues his progression and hits his throw. Mills is a proven Quarters coverage buster and this play is a perfect example of why. The Dig opens up the Post.

Here's another example of what Thl noted and I saw in the game - the late blitzing off the edge from a DB and the middle DT's stuffing the run - as well as the edge defender staying home on QB run.


Here we come out in "11" personnel again - the Panthers really only have 6 in the box with a 7th DB type near it.


Right at the snap they bring the DB off the edge on a blitz.

Here you see how they attacked the edges against the zone-read. The DE on the read side stays at home against the Qb run, so the handoff should go to the RB.

The 3 circled defenders are going to clog up the middle.


Brown's defender beats him to the inside and the DE is staying home on the run.


Brown's man and the DB stuff the run for -2 yards. I still don't know what the TE is doing....

You can't have -2 yard runs. That puts you behind schedule on plays that should net 2 yards, minimum. Instead of 2nd and 8 where you can get to a 3rd and short fairly easily, you're now at 2nd and 12 and not looking good.

Good play-call by Carolina.

Originally posted by thl408:
I think CAR is in Quarters on both sides of the field which is why the Fade route isn't available due to the safety not having enough depth for Gabbert to hit the Fade like a Cover 2 safety would. Torrey got his only big catch in the Rams game on this same route combination in front of the Cover 2 safety.
Gabbert shows patience, doesn't panic when his first two reads aren't there, continues his progression and hits his throw. Mills is a proven Quarters coverage buster and this play is a perfect example of why. The Dig opens up the Post.

not to split hairs, but if you watch #27 on the far side, he drops into a seam zone instead of a flat area zone, indicating the cover 2 on that side whereas the other defender starts to take a hook/curl after riding mcD

One thing I'm noticing in a lot of these breakdown is that Brown is struggling in run blocking. His man seems to always get free and disrupts things

Originally posted by jonnydel:
not to split hairs, but if you watch #27 on the far side, he drops into a seam zone instead of a flat area zone, indicating the cover 2 on that side whereas the other defender starts to take a hook/curl after riding mcD

I see it. Good catch. It is indeed those two defenders that give it away. There's no way a Quarters CB comes up that shallow to play the flat like that. That would belong to his team mate if they were in Quarters.

Originally posted by SofaKing:
^^ Big missed opportunity to Patton. I noticed it on the TV broadcast as well.

Gabbert basically has the same issue as Kap in that he has his mind made up at times and won't allow or doesn't recognize plays developing in front of him. I'm sure he correctly reads Cover 2 but assumes the middle of the field won't be open, instead of trusting the play design and reading what's happening post snap.

Gabbert definitely left the pocket too early on the play. But it's not without going through his progression. He was down to his 3rd read.

If I remember this right, this was the first pass of the game for Gabbert. Kelly had called all running plays after the Car turnover.



Usually the DE would be on his blindside at the point where Gabbert decides to run. So this is more on Gabbert's internal clock telling him to run. But he didn't realized the DE got KOHA by the double team. It looked to me his internal clock is good. He needs to trust guys upfront a half second more.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Here's another example of what Thl noted and I saw in the game - the late blitzing off the edge from a DB and the middle DT's stuffing the run - as well as the edge defender staying home on QB run.


Here we come out in "11" personnel again - the Panthers really only have 6 in the box with a 7th DB type near it.


Right at the snap they bring the DB off the edge on a blitz.

Here you see how they attacked the edges against the zone-read. The DE on the read side stays at home against the Qb run, so the handoff should go to the RB.

The 3 circled defenders are going to clog up the middle.


Brown's defender beats him to the inside and the DE is staying home on the run.


Brown's man and the DB stuff the run for -2 yards. I still don't know what the TE is doing....

You can't have -2 yard runs. That puts you behind schedule on plays that should net 2 yards, minimum. Instead of 2nd and 8 where you can get to a 3rd and short fairly easily, you're now at 2nd and 12 and not looking good.

Good play-call by Carolina.

This looks like an RPO. I think what CAR is doing is giving Gabbert false reads. Gabbert sees 6 in the box and thinks that running the ball is the correct action, which it is if it was 6 in the box. Then right before the snap, they add another box defender and running the ball is the wrong thing to do.

Beatles block makes me laugh. Like a complete sucker punch.