2016 Week 2 Carolina Panthers coaches film analysis

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

not to split hairs, but if you watch #27 on the far side, he drops into a seam zone instead of a flat area zone, indicating the cover 2 on that side whereas the other defender starts to take a hook/curl after riding mcD

I see it. Good catch. It is indeed those two defenders that give it away. There's no way a Quarters CB comes up that shallow to play the flat like that. That would belong to his team mate if they were in Quarters.

This is a nice play and throw by Blaine. It's Kelly's vertical play:


We saw it a couple of times last week and we've seen Blaine go to 3 different WRs now on this concept. We saw him hit the fade and deep drag(that's what Kelly called the TE route on a video) last week and now we've seen him take the post.

Also, look at how alone the HB is after the fake. i wonder if we will see a throw to the back at one point.

Here is the miss to Celek that had us groaning. Earlier on the same drive, Gabbert hit Torrey on a tight window throw using the same route concept.

4 Verticals vs Fire Zone blitz


I think that Gabbert knows the blue safety is creeping over and so he tries to hit Celek's outside shoulder with the pass - away from the safety.


But he puts it too far behind and above Celek

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Here's another example of what Thl noted and I saw in the game - the late blitzing off the edge from a DB and the middle DT's stuffing the run - as well as the edge defender staying home on QB run.


Here we come out in "11" personnel again - the Panthers really only have 6 in the box with a 7th DB type near it.


Right at the snap they bring the DB off the edge on a blitz.

Here you see how they attacked the edges against the zone-read. The DE on the read side stays at home against the Qb run, so the handoff should go to the RB.

The 3 circled defenders are going to clog up the middle.


Brown's defender beats him to the inside and the DE is staying home on the run.


Brown's man and the DB stuff the run for -2 yards. I still don't know what the TE is doing....

You can't have -2 yard runs. That puts you behind schedule on plays that should net 2 yards, minimum. Instead of 2nd and 8 where you can get to a 3rd and short fairly easily, you're now at 2nd and 12 and not looking good.

Good play-call by Carolina.

This looks like an RPO. I think what CAR is doing is giving Gabbert false reads. Gabbert sees 6 in the box and thinks that running the ball is the correct action, which it is if it was 6 in the box. Then right before the snap, they add another box defender and running the ball is the wrong thing to do.

It almost seems like the TE is reading the End crashing down as well and could possibly be thinking Gabbert keeps it, rolls out and has the option to throw it to the TE in the flat or tell the TE to turn around and begin blocking.

Two reasons why: look at the OL, they don't try to advance upfield and look at the WR's, they are running routes. Also, the TE comes around to seal the edge.

Maybe Gabbert isn't keeping it when he should and the TE is making the same read Gabbert SHOULD have made. No reason to block the end if the QB is supposed to keep it.

Nvm

Originally posted by Joecool:
It almost seems like the TE is reading the End crashing down as well and could possibly be thinking Gabbert keeps it, rolls out and has the option to throw it to the TE in the flat or tell the TE to turn around and begin blocking.

Two reasons why: look at the OL, they don't try to advance upfield and look at the WR's, they are running routes. Also, the TE comes around to seal the edge.

Maybe Gabbert isn't keeping it when he should and the TE is making the same read Gabbert SHOULD have made. No reason to block the end if the QB is supposed to keep it.

Yeah that's a good point. The TE is just running some interference to hold up the DE, but would be a lead blocker for Gabbert if Gabbert keeps.

Here's one play where I don't really blame Gabbert - because it's still a 13 yard passing play - but there was more to gain and it's almost funny...


here we're trying to take advantage of Carolina's pressure on the run game. We're gonna run a PA fake and then have two crossing routes and a hook route from the TE.


The PA fake holds the underneath defenders. I circled yellow because - how is this not illegal contact?? We got flagged for t on two big occasions in the game - C'mon Zebra's!!!


You see Kerley breaking open in the secondary - why is it not thrown to him you ask??


Well, off the PA fake we brought Celek back across the formation to block the edge rusher. After Brown helps tiller secure his man he turns and runs to help Celek.


Because Gabbert's eyes are downfield all he see's is a huge guy running at him from his peripheral vision - he thinks it's a defender and starts to bail our of the pocket, lol. Then, realizes it's not and comes back in.


Brown plasters his guy but then Staley goes all, "look out" block.


With an actual threat coming at him now, Blaine knows he's just gotta get rid of the ball


He gets it to McD for a 12-13 yard gain but you see he had another guy open if he'd been able to keep his eyes downfield - though if I saw the shadow of a man Brown's size coming at me I'd panic too, lol.

Thl, for all our amusement you might wanna show the endzone GIF of that play, lol 4:49 2nd qtr.

Originally posted by thl408:

Wide open in the back of the endzone. Missed plays like these are what make Gabbert a backup caliber QB.

great stuff guys

Originally posted by thl408:
Here is the miss to Celek that had us groaning. Earlier on the same drive, Gabbert hit Torrey on a tight window throw using the same route concept.

4 Verticals vs Fire Zone blitz


I think that Gabbert knows the blue safety is creeping over and so he tries to hit Celek's outside shoulder with the pass - away from the safety.


But he puts it too far behind and above Celek

This was a play I was referring to ealier. I think he wants to let the ball go sooner to hit the seam before the safety could get there but the late blitz pickup by Hyde forces him to re-set for the throw and causes the ball to be out late. I think that's why he threw it to the outside like he did.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Wide open in the back of the endzone. Missed plays like these are what make Gabbert a backup caliber QB.

Time the play...he wasn't wide open until after Gabbert broke the pocket.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by thl408:

Wide open in the back of the endzone. Missed plays like these are what make Gabbert a backup caliber QB.

remember though, you also have to understand a few things about the situation. It's one of those plays where you hesitate showing because it is a real big boy type of play so when it's not made, it's not like it means he sucks(there's plenty of other reasons to make that point, lol) it's more a missed opportunity that could've changed the game. I don't think most NFL QB's are gonna make that throw and will leave that play on the field. He went through his primary progressions and left the pocket at about 4-5 seconds. If he makes this throw, it's a top tier QB type of throw - not just a, "if he doesn't make it he's a backup"

This offense needs a few more games to get it together. Chaotic right now lol

Doesn't see open guys, doesn't throw passes with touch. sounds a lot like the other dude lol he replaced.

Originally posted by thl408:
Here's another Inverted Veer where the 49ers read a different excellent defender - Keucly (sp).



Keucly stays home so give to the RB. Brown whiffs on the block.


-3. Point is these outside runs are designed to attack the edges, away from the DTs and Keuchly. Gabbert was used to "block" one of these stud defenders.


From this angle you can see the safety, who was aligned at Quarters depth come up to support the run. Safeties playing Quarters are not aligned deep - like a Cover 2 safety would - and are very much a part of the run fit.

On virtually every one of the plays you've shown in this thread regarding the zone-read, the Carolina defenders have all "stayed home". It's like a delayed rush they're doing to prevent being out of position in case of a zone read.

They've also all shown a safety holding firm or lurching towards the line of scrimmage. Interesting.

Originally posted by susweel:
Doesn't see open guys, doesn't throw passes with touch. sounds a lot like the other dude lol he replaced.

ikr? All the off-season talk was about their differences, but on the field their problems are largely the same.