2016 Week 2 Carolina Panthers coaches film analysis

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by susweel:

Doesn't see open guys, doesn't throw passes with touch. sounds a lot like the other dude lol he replaced.

ikr? All the off-season talk was about their differences, but on the field their problems are largely the same.

But we haven't seen much of Kaepernick in Kelly's system.

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by susweel:
Doesn't see open guys, doesn't throw passes with touch. sounds a lot like the other dude lol he replaced.

ikr? All the off-season talk was about their differences, but on the field their problems are largely the same.

Not exactly. Not only does Kaep not see open receivers, he doesn't check down. So let's say 40% of the time, receivers down field are not open and the checkdown is, Kap won't hit the checkdown whereas Gabbert will. That's really the main difference. This is the main reason why Gabbert had more success than Kap last year behind a crappy line.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

remember though, you also have to understand a few things about the situation. It's one of those plays where you hesitate showing because it is a real big boy type of play so when it's not made, it's not like it means he sucks(there's plenty of other reasons to make that point, lol) it's more a missed opportunity that could've changed the game. I don't think most NFL QB's are gonna make that throw and will leave that play on the field. He went through his primary progressions and left the pocket at about 4-5 seconds. If he makes this throw, it's a top tier QB type of throw - not just a, "if he doesn't make it he's a backup"

It was a missed opportunity, either you have Patton alone all by himself or 1 on 1 coverage vs a big TE in the endzone there.

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by susweel:
Doesn't see open guys, doesn't throw passes with touch. sounds a lot like the other dude lol he replaced.

ikr? All the off-season talk was about their differences, but on the field their problems are largely the same.

The big difference is in reading the play. Gabbert is far better at his progressions and recognizing defensive coverage. He's also far better moving in the pocket when he doesn't rush things.

Either he stays the same in his inconsistencies or he improves as the season goes on. One thing he hopefully improves on soon is understanding that his pass protection is generally holding up far better than he's been used to. In theory that would help him settle and allow his throws to be more consistent. In theory.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Wide open in the back of the endzone. Missed plays like these are what make Gabbert a backup caliber QB.

Time the play...he wasn't wide open until after Gabbert broke the pocket.

When playing against zone coverage, identify open space and throw into it. Trust that the WR gets there. Gabbert should know he has three routes attacking the endzone: one in each corner + one in the middle. While you have a point, the main point I wanted to make was why did Gabbert escape from the pocket? He got spooked for no reason.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by susweel:
Doesn't see open guys, doesn't throw passes with touch. sounds a lot like the other dude lol he replaced.

ikr? All the off-season talk was about their differences, but on the field their problems are largely the same.

The big difference is in reading the play. Gabbert is far better at his progressions and recognizing defensive coverage. He's also far better moving in the pocket when he doesn't rush things.

Either he stays the same in his inconsistencies or he improves as the season goes on. One thing he hopefully improves on soon is understanding that his pass protection is generally holding up far better than he's been used to. In theory that would help him settle and allow his throws to be more consistent. In theory.

This. Kaep would most likely still be on his first read going onto 2 seconds.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by susweel:
Doesn't see open guys, doesn't throw passes with touch. sounds a lot like the other dude lol he replaced.

ikr? All the off-season talk was about their differences, but on the field their problems are largely the same.

The big difference is in reading the play. Gabbert is far better at his progressions and recognizing defensive coverage. He's also far better moving in the pocket when he doesn't rush things.

Either he stays the same in his inconsistencies or he improves as the season goes on. One thing he hopefully improves on soon is understanding that his pass protection is generally holding up far better than he's been used to. In theory that would help him settle and allow his throws to be more consistent. In theory.

Originally posted by Joecool:
Not exactly. Not only does Kaep not see open receivers, he doesn't check down. So let's say 40% of the time, receivers down field are not open and the checkdown is, Kap won't hit the checkdown whereas Gabbert will. That's really the main difference. This is the main reason why Gabbert had more success than Kap last year behind a crappy line.

I get all that. The point is despite their differences, which was discussed ad nauseam in the off-season, they still have many of the same problems and the end result is the same. Scatter shot accuracy and inconsistent ability to see plays developing in front of them. Where as Gabbert will use his check down as a crutch, Kap would abandon the pocket as a crutch. Their internal process might be different, but the end result is the same, and that is very frustrating.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by susweel:

Doesn't see open guys, doesn't throw passes with touch. sounds a lot like the other dude lol he replaced.

ikr? All the off-season talk was about their differences, but on the field their problems are largely the same.

The big difference is in reading the play. Gabbert is far better at his progressions and recognizing defensive coverage. He's also far better moving in the pocket when he doesn't rush things.

Either he stays the same in his inconsistencies or he improves as the season goes on. One thing he hopefully improves on soon is understanding that his pass protection is generally holding up far better than he's been used to. In theory that would help him settle and allow his throws to be more consistent. In theory.

This

I mean that's nice and probably true but what good does it do if either you are afraid to make throw or are not accurate enough to get it there.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Wide open in the back of the endzone. Missed plays like these are what make Gabbert a backup caliber QB.

Time the play...he wasn't wide open until after Gabbert broke the pocket.

When playing against zone coverage, identify open space and throw into it. Trust that the WR gets there. Gabbert should know he has three routes attacking the endzone: one in each corner + one in the middle. While you have a point, the main point I wanted to make was why did Gabbert escape from the pocket? He got spooked for no reason.

that old pop up timer went off, LOL

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by susweel:
Doesn't see open guys, doesn't throw passes with touch. sounds a lot like the other dude lol he replaced.

ikr? All the off-season talk was about their differences, but on the field their problems are largely the same.

The big difference is in reading the play. Gabbert is far better at his progressions and recognizing defensive coverage. He's also far better moving in the pocket when he doesn't rush things.

Either he stays the same in his inconsistencies or he improves as the season goes on. One thing he hopefully improves on soon is understanding that his pass protection is generally holding up far better than he's been used to. In theory that would help him settle and allow his throws to be more consistent. In theory.

This

I mean that's nice and probably true but what good does it do if either you are afraid to make throw or are not accurate enough to get it there. some of the time

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Originally posted by susweel:
I mean that's nice and probably true but what good does it do if either you are afraid to make throw or are not accurate enough to get it there.

It means neither are on the team in 2017 and a rookie is starting with Ponder as the #2.

But for right now Kelly is looking for Gabbert to push past these deficiencies and start trusting the pass protection, and start improving his consistency with pass accuracy. Does it happen? I'd put it at a 20% chance that it happens *enough* for Gabbert to be the starter in 2017. I'd put Kap's chances at doing the same - pushing past his deficiencies to get to the next level of pocket passer and being the 2017 starter - at 5%.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by susweel:

Doesn't see open guys, doesn't throw passes with touch. sounds a lot like the other dude lol he replaced.

ikr? All the off-season talk was about their differences, but on the field their problems are largely the same.

The big difference is in reading the play. Gabbert is far better at his progressions and recognizing defensive coverage. He's also far better moving in the pocket when he doesn't rush things.

Either he stays the same in his inconsistencies or he improves as the season goes on. One thing he hopefully improves on soon is understanding that his pass protection is generally holding up far better than he's been used to. In theory that would help him settle and allow his throws to be more consistent. In theory.

This

I mean that's nice and probably true but what good does it do if either you are afraid to make throw or are not accurate enough to get it there. some of the time

Fixed

I hope he gets consistent I'm pulling for the guy whoever helps us win. I hope blain shuts us all up.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by susweel:

Doesn't see open guys, doesn't throw passes with touch. sounds a lot like the other dude lol he replaced.

ikr? All the off-season talk was about their differences, but on the field their problems are largely the same.

The big difference is in reading the play. Gabbert is far better at his progressions and recognizing defensive coverage. He's also far better moving in the pocket when he doesn't rush things.

Either he stays the same in his inconsistencies or he improves as the season goes on. One thing he hopefully improves on soon is understanding that his pass protection is generally holding up far better than he's been used to. In theory that would help him settle and allow his throws to be more consistent. In theory.

But he always rushes things.

Originally posted by captveg:
It means neither are on the team in 2017 and a rookie is starting with Ponder as the #2.

But for right now Kelly is looking for Gabbert to push past these deficiencies and start trusting the pass protection, and start improving his consistency with pass accuracy. Does it happen? I'd put it at a 20% chance that it happens *enough* for Gabbert to be the starter in 2017. I'd put Kap's chances at doing the same - pushing past his deficiencies to get to the next level of pocket passer and being the 2017 starter - at 5%.

Hopefully that is the case. In this league you really can't start winning anything until you have the answer at QB, and both Gab and Kap are massive projects. I could take a rookie project, but a 6 year vet project is unlikely to pan out. At that point they have certain habits, tendencies, strengths, and weaknesses that are clearly ingrained and highly unlikely to change.

It's a shame we're going through Year 1 under Chip Kelly without the QB of the future on the roster. Next off-season is all about finding that guy.

Here was another one of those, *groan* plays. One's he's gotta make and if he makes it, it might settle down some of that QB noise - some....maybe...ok, you're right, who am I kidding? He makes this throw we're still gonna have some people crying for Kap...lol

On the same drive as the play shown earlier with Brown running at him - it's nearly the same play, just run slightly differently.


It's a deep levels concept and this time the Panthers are gonna run a cover 3 zone. Has the same sort of routes as the earlier play. You get a hook from the TE with the other TE blocking backside off a PA fake and two routes crossing the middle of the field.



You see McD gets a lot of attention after the PA fake. It also holds some underneath defenders and the middle safety has lost leverage to T. Smith out of the slot.


McD holds the defenders on that side of the field and T. Smith is running across the field.


This time he see's him but misses the throw.


I watched the play numerous times from this angle to see if I could spot something in his mechanics that would show why he sailed it. Cause he throws the ball high and a little behind. He rushes his feet and the throw. Almost an "eyes wide" type of thing where he saw it and rushed the play before it could disappear. Either way, he should've put some more air under the ball and led him to the outside - more like his TD pass earlier. You gotta hit these throws - they change the game. Here's to hoping he hits em next time: