2016 Week 2 Carolina Panthers coaches film analysis

Originally posted by thl408:

Here is the first Out route that resulted in an incompletion.
When trying to connect on an Out route, the WR tries to sell the Go route, and as soon as the CB turns his hips upfield, break the route for the Out (Comeback). The QB has to identify if the CB is going to turn his hips upfield. Looking at this presnap alignment, which CB is more likely to turn his hips upfield as the WR runs vertical - the CB lined up over red or yellow?
vs Cover3


Gabbert takes the snap and looks to his right. The CB (red) is flat footed and watching. The other CB (yellow) has his hips turned upfield and is much more vulnerable to a comeback type of route. Gabbert targets Burbridge (red). I don't expect Gabbert to move his eyes to the other side of the field and see the other Out route, I expect him to never even look to his right because the positioning of the CB defeats an Out route.


Such a small window and a dangerous throw with the CB never having to turn upfield because he was giving a huge cushion presnap.

Boy, look at how wide open the TE comes after the delay. Would have been nice if Blaine would have redlighted that Out and checked it down to the TE (Can't tell if it Vance, Celek or Bell)

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
I do like how quickly he gets rid of the ball but he needs to get the ball downfield as well. Getting rid of the ball quickly for the worst yards per completion in the NFL is not going to cut it even if he doesn't get sacked.

I agree. Gabbert has his strengths and weaknesses like any player. Getting rid of the ball quick is a strength and it does help out the pass protection. It's also a crutch when he rushes through his reads, doesn't let things develop, and when it screws up his accuracy.

I think it's great we're averaging 27.5 points per game through 2 weeks, but I guarantee those numbers are not sustainable at this current clip. He is second to last in yards per attempt (5.8). Offense is second to last in yards per play (4.4). We will not be scoring 27.5 points per game with that lack of efficiency, and it will be tougher the more teams get film on our current personnel and scheme.

Originally posted by Niners816:
Boy, look at how wide open the TE comes after the delay. Would have been nice if Blaine would have redlighted that Out and checked it down to the TE (Can't tell if it Vance, Celek or Bell)

That was another one of those plays where I went, "doh....Gabs...C'mon man!!!"

He keeps teasing me....and not in a good way....he'll show something awesome and then...this.

Originally posted by thl408:
Here is the miss to Celek that had us groaning. Earlier on the same drive, Gabbert hit Torrey on a tight window throw using the same route concept.

4 Verticals vs Fire Zone blitz


I think that Gabbert knows the blue safety is creeping over and so he tries to hit Celek's outside shoulder with the pass - away from the safety.

It looks like Celek turns to look for the ball about when Gabbert throws and he had 5-7yards running before the ball reached him. Should he have done a better job adjusting for the ball or even the adjusting the route based on coverage? Is that too much to ask?

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
I thought Chip Kelly's philosophy made for a terrible TOP in this game and thats a really bad game plan against the Panthers.

D was gassed.

The lack of execution by the offense made for a terrible TOP. In the 1st half it was pretty even, in the 2nd half the offense continually faltered. Kelly clearly did adjust the offense in the game to slow down the tempo and they weren't burning plays off as fast but bad execution leads to bad results.

Here was yet another example of Carolina blowing up our zone-read, it's why we went away from it in the 2nd half. This is just before the 2 minute warning in the 1st half:


If the field wasn't flipped, you'd think we were seeing the same play over and over again...it's because we are... inside zone-read against what appears to be a 6 man front out of 11 personnel and Gabbert just lifted his leg for the silent count and now the DB is crashing down for a blitz off the edge.


The safety times it perfectly and you see how he's coming off the edge just as our guys are coming out of their sets.

The inside tackle also crosses the face of Beadles.


You see the mesh point where the zone-read is made. The DE is once again, staying home. Means the run will go to the RB. But look at the Panthers D-line - with 3 guys they are holding up our 5 O-lineman - that's dominance. The panthers have every gap covered.


You see the DE was staying home and the DB had a free run off the edge and the middle is clogged up by the D-line. Keuchly and 58 never get touched on the play.


Run for no gain.

This is what I meant when I said I felt we got out-coached. Not in a bad way though, I understand what Kelly was trying to do with the gameplane and the zone-read and sticking with it. He was trying to spread em out and open some run lanes, but the Panthers had a great game-plan against us and their D-line were as stout as can be in this game. They didn't show up on the stats but those lunchpale guys were awesome in this game.

This was a key 3rd down on the drive that resulted in Torrey's TD catch.
To Gabbert's right the 49ers look to get a pick/rub by criss crossing routes to bust man coverage. This is either Cover2 Zone or Cover6. I don't see CAR go Cover6 often so it's probably Cover2 Zone.
(it's actually 3rd & 11, not 3rd & 13)


(not shown) Gabbert drops back looking to his right.
Once he sees zone coverage, he looks towards the backside Dig (Streater). But there isn't a window because the weakside Hook/Curl defender (blue) is in the way. With a comfy pocket, Gabbert steps up and waits for Streater to present himself.


Behind the LBs and in front of the safeties, there is always a quiet area in zone coverages.


Good patience to wait for the route to find the soft spot. Welcome to the team Streater.

Originally posted by matguy87:

Originally posted by thl408:
Here is the miss to Celek that had us groaning. Earlier on the same drive, Gabbert hit Torrey on a tight window throw using the same route concept.

4 Verticals vs Fire Zone blitz


I think that Gabbert knows the blue safety is creeping over and so he tries to hit Celek's outside shoulder with the pass - away from the safety.

It looks like Celek turns to look for the ball about when Gabbert throws and he had 5-7yards running before the ball reached him. Should he have done a better job adjusting for the ball or even the adjusting the route based on coverage? Is that too much to ask?

Again, I think that late blitz pickup really affected the play. If he doesn't have to move, this is when the ball gets to Celek, it's why he's turning to look for it. Instead, it comes out late and Gabbert err's on the side of caution trying to get it high and outside away from the defender. It'd be hard for Celek to adjust his route that quickly, you're talking fractions of a second. It also underscores the need for the entire offense to click right and execute everything for stuff to work.

I thought Kelly stayed with the run too long in the 3rd qtr in the Rams game and again in the Carolina game. I'm glad he said he thought maybe he should have gone to more passing the ball sooner in his presser.

Originally posted by matguy87:
It looks like Celek turns to look for the ball about when Gabbert throws and he had 5-7yards running before the ball reached him. Should he have done a better job adjusting for the ball or even the adjusting the route based on coverage? Is that too much to ask?

Celek has to run his route correctly so that he doesn't screw up the spacing between himself and his adjacent vertical (Vance). If he gets too close to Vance, then one defender would be able to defend both verticals. But, it's all on how they are coached to execute this so what you suggested is possible.

^^ Perfect example of how better talent beats scheme. I think Kelly was getting the defensive looks he wanted, spread 'em out with 11 personnel and get a light box to run on, but the Panthers have excellent players on their defensive front and got the job done anyways.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Again, I think that late blitz pickup really affected the play. If he doesn't have to move, this is when the ball gets to Celek, it's why he's turning to look for it. Instead, it comes out late and Gabbert err's on the side of caution trying to get it high and outside away from the defender. It'd be hard for Celek to adjust his route that quickly, you're talking fractions of a second. It also underscores the need for the entire offense to click right and execute everything for stuff to work.

After seeing all these late blitz pickups I think I misspoke saying that the blitz pass pro was great. Still no free rushers, but blitzers are affecting Gabbert's throws. I just saw no free hits and thought "great blitz pickup this game".

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I question if Torrey is even open on this play. Had the body position certainly. I only saw the TV coverage on this play. From the point of the possible catch, that looked like good coverage by the defender, contesting Torrey for the ball.

Oh Smith is open. Gabbert needs to throw that further to the right of the field and let Torrey chase it down. He would out run the FS easily to get it.

Originally posted by Niners816:
Boy, look at how wide open the TE comes after the delay. Would have been nice if Blaine would have redlighted that Out and checked it down to the TE (Can't tell if it Vance, Celek or Bell)

But if he checks down to the TE on 3rd & 13, then it's "lol Gabbert gon' Gabbert"

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by susweel:
Doesn't see open guys, doesn't throw passes with touch. sounds a lot like the other dude lol he replaced.

ikr? All the off-season talk was about their differences, but on the field their problems are largely the same.

The big difference is in reading the play. Gabbert is far better at his progressions and recognizing defensive coverage. He's also far better moving in the pocket when he doesn't rush things.

Either he stays the same in his inconsistencies or he improves as the season goes on. One thing he hopefully improves on soon is understanding that his pass protection is generally holding up far better than he's been used to. In theory that would help him settle and allow his throws to be more consistent. In theory.

But he always rushes things.

No he doesn't. The TD to Smith, the TD to McDonald, several passes to Kerley in Week 1, etc.