2016 Week 2 Carolina Panthers coaches film analysis

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by susweel:

Doesn't see open guys, doesn't throw passes with touch. sounds a lot like the other dude lol he replaced.

ikr? All the off-season talk was about their differences, but on the field their problems are largely the same.

The big difference is in reading the play. Gabbert is far better at his progressions and recognizing defensive coverage. He's also far better moving in the pocket when he doesn't rush things.

Either he stays the same in his inconsistencies or he improves as the season goes on. One thing he hopefully improves on soon is understanding that his pass protection is generally holding up far better than he's been used to. In theory that would help him settle and allow his throws to be more consistent. In theory.

But he always rushes things.

No he doesn't. The TD to Smith, the TD to McDonald, several passes to Kerley in Week 1, etc.

Those seem to be the exceptions to the rule. Gabbert looks to be the same player he has always been.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by susweel:
Doesn't see open guys, doesn't throw passes with touch. sounds a lot like the other dude lol he replaced.

ikr? All the off-season talk was about their differences, but on the field their problems are largely the same.

The big difference is in reading the play. Gabbert is far better at his progressions and recognizing defensive coverage. He's also far better moving in the pocket when he doesn't rush things.

Either he stays the same in his inconsistencies or he improves as the season goes on. One thing he hopefully improves on soon is understanding that his pass protection is generally holding up far better than he's been used to. In theory that would help him settle and allow his throws to be more consistent. In theory.

But he always rushes things.

No he doesn't. The TD to Smith, the TD to McDonald, several passes to Kerley in Week 1, etc.

Those seem to be the exceptions to the rule. Gabbert looks to be the same player he has always been.

They are less frequent than the times he does rush. But "always" is an inaccurate term. The key is to flip the % to Gabbert/SF's favor. Will it happen? Like I said before, I give it a 20% chance before the season is out to happen to the degree where Gabbert is the starter in 2017 (which means getting a new contract).

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Niners816:
Boy, look at how wide open the TE comes after the delay. Would have been nice if Blaine would have redlighted that Out and checked it down to the TE (Can't tell if it Vance, Celek or Bell)

But if he checks down to the TE on 3rd & 13, then it's "lol Gabbert gon' Gabbert"

It's so true it's funny, lol

Here's the big Olsen TD that made the euphoria from the Torrey TD short lived. The way Olsen stems outside makes his route work.
vs Quarters


By stemming outside, Olsen avoids a reroute from Bow (MLB) as most underneath defenders will attempt a re-route of any vertical routes that go by them to help out their safeties. Don't want a route with a full head of steam coming at the safety, which is exactly what happens here.
*sidenote: In this frame, Bow matches the crossing route, evidence of pattern matching.


Either Bethea thought Olsen was going to run a different route, or he expected some form of help to the inside. He should not have expected help to the inside.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by susweel:
Doesn't see open guys, doesn't throw passes with touch. sounds a lot like the other dude lol he replaced.

ikr? All the off-season talk was about their differences, but on the field their problems are largely the same.

The big difference is in reading the play. Gabbert is far better at his progressions and recognizing defensive coverage. He's also far better moving in the pocket when he doesn't rush things.

Either he stays the same in his inconsistencies or he improves as the season goes on. One thing he hopefully improves on soon is understanding that his pass protection is generally holding up far better than he's been used to. In theory that would help him settle and allow his throws to be more consistent. In theory.

But he always rushes things.

No he doesn't. The TD to Smith, the TD to McDonald, several passes to Kerley in Week 1, etc.

Those seem to be the exceptions to the rule. Gabbert looks to be the same player he has always been.

I disagree. What were the arguments against him coming into the season? He didn't push the ball downfield and he was only every Cap'n checkdown.

I haven't heard anything about his unwillingness to take a shot deep in this last game. He took quite a few shots - he didn't really hit on a lot of them, which is something that can change, but he does seem to be evolving his game. For the most part, he throws the ball where the coverage dictates. Last year, I felt like he didn't rush things as much as he is now, maybe I'm wrong. But, it seems like he just needs to settle down. Maybe it's the new receivers(most of the receivers he worked with in the off-season for months are now gone) maybe it's still getting comfortable in the new scheme(remember how bad he looked his first pre-season game with us, then the next year's pre-season he looked completely different). He looks like a different player and he does do a lot of things well. It's the glaringness of the times that he doesn't do things well that's frustrating, at this point. The problem is, he's still a question mark - but at 26 years old, that's not out of the realm of impossibility that he can improve.

Originally posted by thl408:

Either Bethea thought Olsen was going to run a different route, or he expected some form of help to the inside. He should not have expected help to the inside.

Kelly mentioned in his presser Bethea thought Olsen would run a corner route. Carolina had never run that route off that look, they would always have Olsen break outside. Caught Bethea out of position, easy TD.

Originally posted by thl408:
Here's the big Olsen TD that made the euphoria from the Torrey TD short lived. The way Olsen stems outside makes his route work.
vs Quarters


By stemming outside, Olsen avoids the a reroute from Bow (MLB) as most underneath defenders will attempt a re-route of any vertical routes that go by them to help out their safeties. Don't want a route with a full head of steam coming at the safety, which is exactly what happens here.
*sidenote: In this frame, Bow matches the crossing route, evidence of pattern matching.


Either Bethea thought Olsen was going to run a different route, or he expected some form of help to the inside. He should not have expected help to the inside.

Don't know if you saw the article, but JoN talked about this play. What he said was that they were in cover 4 and that all week they'd seen this formation from Carolina and every time Olsen ran a corner route. So, they'd be talking all week with their guys, "corner, corner, corner" so, Bethea was coached up that if they saw this to be on the lookout for the corner route. They'd never seen the post from em on this play. So, you see Olsen give a little shake to the outside, as if he was gonna run a corner route and then runs the post. JoN said it was just a great call by Carolina but he doesn't blame Bethea at all because that's what they want from their players - to make plays and not just play to not get beat.

We did the same thing Ari on nearly the same type of play last year with T. Smith. We'd shown corner route over and over again on film and then T. Smith gave a little shake to a corner then ran the post and beat Rashad Johnson.

Just wanted to show an instance of Tampa2 from JoN. First time I noticed it. I never expected to see this much zone coverage after watching his CLE film.
Cam ended up running around and threw it incomplete.

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Kelly mentioned in his presser Bethea thought Olsen would run a corner route. Carolina had never run that route off that look, they would always have Olsen break outside. Caught Bethea out of position, easy TD.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Don't know if you saw the article, but JoN talked about this play. What he said was that they were in cover 4 and that all week they'd seen this formation from Carolina and every time Olsen ran a corner route. So, they'd be talking all week with their guys, "corner, corner, corner" so, Bethea was coached up that if they saw this to be on the lookout for the corner route. They'd never seen the post from em on this play. So, you see Olsen give a little shake to the outside, as if he was gonna run a corner route and then runs the post. JoN said it was just a great call by Carolina but he doesn't blame Bethea at all because that's what they want from their players - to make plays and not just play to not get beat.

We did the same thing Ari on nearly the same type of play last year with T. Smith. We'd shown corner route over and over again on film and then T. Smith gave a little shake to a corner then ran the post and beat Rashad Johnson.

Ah got it. First I heard of this and explains a lot.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Here was another one of those, *groan* plays. One's he's gotta make and if he makes it, it might settle down some of that QB noise - some....maybe...ok, you're right, who am I kidding? He makes this throw we're still gonna have some people crying for Kap...lol

Who's been crying for Kap? I think the majority of those who still believe/ or are curious about how Kaepernick would do with this Oline and this offensive minded coach, know he needs to put on more weight. Heck the head coach is saying that.

For the ones who are calling for Kap now, are probably the same ones who would call for any backup (if Kap wasn't here) because they are tired of Gabbert.

Some say that Gabbert should be given the same amount of time that Kap was given last year. Kaepernick was given that time because of his previous accomplishments.... Gabbert doesn't have a history to get the benefit of the doubt. He wasn't even the starter of his own team. And so after a sub par half year, some want to give him the benefit of the doubt?

It doesn't matter if some bash the guy now or if some around here sugarcoat some of his horrific passes.... Realistically speaking, he needs to step the f**k up, because he is losing another opportunity at staying a starter in this league again...another opportunity to to get a contract extension.

He is going to be a free agent at the end of this year. Some can be all nice/denial about it, but his time is running out.

As a person who loves to see people compete and take full advantage of their opportunities, it's hard to watch. Especially when he is FINALLY getting some pass blocking.

edit- Actually I'll take this to the QB Thread.. so it doesn't high jack this film thread. Meet yall there if yall want.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Those seem to be the exceptions to the rule. Gabbert looks to be the same player he has always been.

Same exact player. Wonder if people actually watched him in Jacksonville. I doubt it.

This might be one of my last posts of the evening, we shall see: but, I wanted to end on a high note - sorry Thl, I took the 2 TD passes :)

It was a beautiful play - and one where we finally made Carolina pay for all their fire zone blitzes.


As you had seen from all those other plays, the Panthers kept blitzing DB's off the edge and we weren't able to counter it - until this play. Carolina shows the 2 deep safety look. As I've been thinking about it, I think they did this to bait the run. They kept showing this 2 deep look, then after Kelly signaled in the play, would come down and blitz off the edge. Expecting this we run a sail concept to the far side and a smash concept to the short side.


Post snap you can see that the close side safety drops down and they blitz a DB out of the slot. They're rotating into a fire zone behind the blitz.


This creates a 3v2 hi/lo read to the "sail" side of the field. The underneath defender takes the RB out of the backfield into the flat, with the streak clearing out the deep 3rd defender it opens up a space for the TE on his corner route. With Keuchly mainly responsible for the zone over the middle there's no way he can defend this route.



Gabbert is mid wind-up and it's not like McD's area is vacated. He's trusting the concept and throwing with anticipation - things you really like to see. You see the underneath defender taking the flat and the corner proteting his deep 1/3


He does a great job of putting air under the ball and throwing into the sweet spot in the zone.


This was a perfectly thrown ball - it sailed over the underneath defender and dropped perfectly to McD in stride. It hit him nearly perfectly "1 foot in front of the numbers" It was a little lower than the numbers, but Jerry Rice said that's right where he always wanted it, about belly height 12 inches out - this is right where the ball end up.


McD picks up a block from Patton and, "TOUCHDOWN 49ERS!!!!"

It's plays like this that tease us, oh Gabbert our Gabbert....

I can't wait for week 6, so I can read one of these threads with Kap at the helm to see the difference. Nitpicking will take place I imagine.

Originally posted by thl408:
Just wanted to show an instance of Tampa2 from JoN. First time I noticed it. I never expected to see this much zone coverage after watching his CLE film.
Cam ended up running around and threw it incomplete.

I do like that he varies his looks and isn't overly attached to any one thing. Seems like a young coach trying to find his niche and not afraid to experiment and throw a lot of different concepts at the offense.

That really was a beautiful throw to Vance. Even the throw to Vance that he dropped on the next series was a really nice ball.

I WANT MOAR.