Week 3 Seattle Seahawks coaches film analysis

Originally posted by Dajanksta:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by susweel:
Yah either play or gtfo, none of this part time bs. I don't even think it's the injury its probably he doesn't have enough stamina to play a complete game.

How do you expect a DL to push with a bum shoulder?

He shouldn't play then. and if we don't have anyone better to replace him with then that's on Baalke. Just like AA not producing is.

AA should absolutely play. At the very least he needs the experience. If the surgery can wait until the offseason then he plays.

Originally posted by Niners816:

His lack of formation usage and the slowing down of his tempo seem to be a mismatch. You can go fast with lack of forms and succeed, but if you are slowing it down you need more variety in formation usage to disguise concepts.

Yes. I see that as the crux of the problem here. And that's scary.

I love reading these threads... i have no ability or understanding to provide input. Just wanted to say thanks

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Niners816:
His lack of formation usage and the slowing down of his tempo seem to be a mismatch. You can go fast with lack of forms and succeed, but if you are slowing it down you need more variety in formation usage to disguise concepts.

Yes. I see that as the crux of the problem here. And that's scary.

Yep....I said this stuff right when Kelly was hired and saying it now people say I'm defending Gabs..... I'm just not seeing enough to keep defenses off balance.

Here's a 3rd and 17 we allow in the game...smh


Here, It's 3rd and 17 and we're going to run a cover 1 with a blitz to force the pass. Seattle is countering with a "divide" concept - much like the TD earlier. There's no reason they should convert this. It's also worth noting that brooks jumped off-side, so Seattle has no worry in taking a shot. When is Brooks going to stop jumping off-side??


We have Tartt matched up on Graham with single safety help.


Tartt's in a trail position with Reid over the top. Graham should be bracketed.

He throws it up anyway. Why not?? off-sides penalty regardless. Graham is an Oger and catches the ball anyway.


The problem is, what is Tartt doing??? get in there dude.....help out in some way...he literally stands there and watches Graham catch the ball. We just had a 2nd and 1st round pick get beat deep by one guy on 3rd and 17.....smh

Here was on of the missed reads I saw from Gabs. He didn't have a ton, but this one was bad. Almost an INT.


here, we're going to run a shallow cross concept against Seattle's cover 3 zone.


We've run this play a lot over the past 3 weeks and Seattle is ready for it. Gab wants to go to the shallow crosser but Seattle's jumping on it with 3 defenders.


You see the 3 seattle defenders jumping on the crosser and Sherman is all over T. Smith. Chancellor is also sitting on the RB swing route.


With so much attention given to the crosser, Bell is open over the middle. But, Gabs moved on to T. Smith.


Sherman should've been called for some sort of illegal contact IMO, but he isn't and nearly intercepts the ball. Missed the wide open TE though. He doesn't do this a lot, but that one could've gotten the offense moving to score some more points before the half. He's gotta make that play and his that read.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Niners816:

His lack of formation usage and the slowing down of his tempo seem to be a mismatch. You can go fast with lack of forms and succeed, but if you are slowing it down you need more variety in formation usage to disguise concepts.

Yes. I see that as the crux of the problem here. And that's scary.

Yep....I said this stuff right when Kelly was hired and saying it now people say I'm defending Gabs..... I'm just not seeing enough to keep defenses off balance.

Those guys are still stuck in 2012 (and unapologetic CK fans)...just ignore them. Their time of CK film review is coming.

As to the topic, it too was a concern of mine as well, so much I didn't even have Kelly on my HC radar. That said, he's known to be an innovator so I was willing to see how he adjusts, adapted, etc. It's still way early but these concerns are real.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:

Originally posted by dj43:
IIRC, Smith is at the top of the screen and comes open just as Gabbert releases the ball to the right flat. So yes, it could have been to open him up, unfortunately, Brown whiffs and Gabbert is under pressure to get rid of the ball so he goes wide instead of holding it to see if Smith comes free.

If Smith doesn't come free Gabbert is either sacked or throws it away. There is no chance of a 1st because of the way Seattle plays their zone coverage on those swing plays.

ah thanks, thats what I thought after looking at the freeze frame more

he threw it over the middle to Kerley and Wagner mauled him(got there early IMO) and the pass was incomplete.

Agree.

Yes, you are correct on the play.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Niners816:

His lack of formation usage and the slowing down of his tempo seem to be a mismatch. You can go fast with lack of forms and succeed, but if you are slowing it down you need more variety in formation usage to disguise concepts.

Yes. I see that as the crux of the problem here. And that's scary.

Yep....I said this stuff right when Kelly was hired and saying it now people say I'm defending Gabs..... I'm just not seeing enough to keep defenses off balance.

Those guys are still stuck in 2012 (and unapologetic CK fans)...just ignore them. Their time of CK film review is coming.

As to the topic, it too was a concern of mine as well, so much I didn't even have Kelly on my HC radar. That said, he's known to be an innovator so I was willing to see how he adjusts, adapted, etc. It's still way early but these concerns are real.

Why aren't you a CK fan?

Originally posted by 49ersking:

Originally posted by TheRambler:

Originally posted by ChazBoner:

Originally posted by 49ersking:
I guess this is over simplification, but...

One is a better team because of the owner's mindset, front office personnel, talented players being chosen, HC, hard working players and superior game plans and preparation.

The other team does not have most of this. It cannot be fixed in the next 1-2 years (or more).

End result is a blowout.

true dat.

And you are posting this in the game film review thread because? Subtle trolling for the loss.

No disrespect to film review/analysis in general.
My thoughts are that reviews would result in some breakthrough/improvements when done between two (near) equally matched teams. For e.g., possibly the Steelers and Patriots. When teams like the 49ers, which are so mismatched even before the game starts...it might look like a scheme thing, but ...oh well, life goes on.

I have found that you learn more by comparing your own efforts to the best you can find. In several cases we have already seen that it was the scheme or play selection/design that limited the potential for success. No way we would have won this game but it already sounds like the coaching staff has admitted they did not give the team the best opportunity to succeed. Teams love it when their coaches are willing to admit their mistakes. We have seen the opposite in recent years when the only answer was "execution."

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Why aren't you a CK fan?

Why? I've seen enough over the years to think he won't add any more than Gabbert or Ponder or (Blake Bell) at this point. I don't have anything against him and certainly won't spit venom at him, and honestly, if he's ready and Kelly wants to go there, go for it. I've seen enough of the Kelly-Gabbert combo to be fine with any move at this juncture though I don't realistically expect it (at all). They'll most likely just ride and die with Gabbert as long as possible. He might be the bridge QB too next year thanks to CK's contract. CK's obviously not healthy anyhow and football seems like the last thing on his mind right now (speculation).

Originally posted by dj43:

I have found that you learn more by comparing your own efforts to the best you can find. In several cases we have already seen that it was the scheme or play selection/design that limited the potential for success. No way we would have won this game but it already sounds like the coaching staff has admitted they did not give the team the best opportunity to succeed. Teams love it when their coaches are willing to admit their mistakes. We have seen the opposite in recent years when the only answer was "execution."

That's an excellent point!

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by kronik:

Originally posted by thl408:
Here's the first '3 and out', which happened on the first drive.

49ers call a good concept versus the coverage as they try to get a pic/rub versus man coverage. They stack their WRs.


This was mentioned earlier, but Kerley ran his route rather flat. I feel as though it should have been more "slant-like" to get the CB on Kerley to run into the CB running with Torrey (other WR).


The ball placement needs to be on the upfield shoulder to allow for RAC. You can see the ball was put on Kerley's trailing shoulder since Kerley never had to extend his arms forward to make the catch.


CB made a pretty nice break on the route and makes the tackle short of the first down.

Anyone else notice the receiver at the bottom has his man beat on a streak route and no safety around?

This looked like it was simply designed to go to Kerley - that was the only real option. I don't think there were any progressions, just try and create space for a player to make something and get the LTG. Just didn't work for a number of reasons. Also, that's Vance McD on Chancellor - I'm not hedging any bets we win that matchup.

That was my take as well. Kelly has said many of his plays are designed to get the first read open, hence no need to look around. Kerley was the first read and he was open...just not deep enough for the first down.

I turned the game off after the first half, around the third quarter.

What I saw in the first half I posted in the game thread. We had about 25 yards rushing on about 2 yards per carry. Chip refused to pass on first down very often but when we did we found some success. We ran about 7 plays in the first quarter.

Chips offense is based off the run. He could not establish the run and the playcalling was very predictable.

Gabbert was put in a lot of third and longs, obvious passing situations via Chip rushing Hyde into defenders on first and second down. The play design was also lame. A bunch of horizontal passes and routes short of the first down marker expecting YAC vs one of the best and fastest defenses in the NFL.


Our run game/Hyde was shut down. Our passing mostly short and lame. Our WR's getting no separation.

I want us to draft a QB first rd 2017. I do NOT want Gabbert as our long term starter but as I said in the game thread Gabbert was not THE reason we lost that game. As I said, we have other issues besides Gabbert. Most concerning is Chip Kelly's play design and play calling.

You Kap people out there should also be concerned about this. If it doesnt change it wont matter who the QB is, our offense, both rushing and passing, will go nowhere.

This thread should've been dedicated to the coaches more so than the players. We all know we need WR's and a QB even still the coaches f**ked up big time on Sunday and if they don't change things up it will be a long season no matter who is in there. Chip will be out of here by the end of 2017 if he cant put together better game plans Better rushing design. I already expect Gabbert to be replaced after this year or even this season but the issues go far deeper than Gabbert.


I wouldnt want a new QB to come in here and play in that sort of game. I also feel bad for Hyde.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Here was on of the missed reads I saw from Gabs. He didn't have a ton, but this one was bad. Almost an INT.


here, we're going to run a shallow cross concept against Seattle's cover 3 zone.


We've run this play a lot over the past 3 weeks and Seattle is ready for it. Gab wants to go to the shallow crosser but Seattle's jumping on it with 3 defenders.


You see the 3 seattle defenders jumping on the crosser and Sherman is all over T. Smith. Chancellor is also sitting on the RB swing route.


With so much attention given to the crosser, Bell is open over the middle. But, Gabs moved on to T. Smith.


Sherman should've been called for some sort of illegal contact IMO, but he isn't and nearly intercepts the ball. Missed the wide open TE though. He doesn't do this a lot, but that one could've gotten the offense moving to score some more points before the half. He's gotta make that play and his that read.

When I saw the replay of this play on Sherman and Smith. It did looked like Smith initially had a step and body position on the cut inside to box out Sherman for the catch. I don't think Gabbert would have stayed with it had he thought that Smith wouldn't have the chance. Gabbert sure did missed a wide open TE for staying with Smith doe

I remember John Lynch said Sherman effectively ran the route for Smith...lol no he didn't ...he held him