Week 3 Seattle Seahawks coaches film analysis

Let's get to know this concept since it looks like we will see it often this season and with the Cowpies coming to town with the same DC as in 2014, Hank could show up a few times. 816, if you are reading this can you post the play art for this with the progressions?

versus Tampa2
The two Hook defenders (blue) stay home and neither converge on the Snag.


Easy, hit the first read in the progression.

Originally posted by Niners816:
It's a Trap Thl.....this dude has made a point of calling out Johnny and painting him as some Gabbert-homer. This is just nonsense from the QB thread trying to come in the film thread.

I just realized the sarcasm about the "doesn't make wrong reads" comment. lol

Originally posted by thl408:

Let's get to know this concept since it looks like we will see it often this season and with the Cowpies coming to town with the same DC as in 2014, Hank could show up a few times. 816, if you are reading this can you post the play art for this with the progressions?

versus Tampa2
The two Hook defenders (blue) stay home and neither converge on the Snag.


Easy, hit the first read in the progression.

1994 playart of Hank

Found it from a previous post you made, 816. Did a google search and it referenced your post lol.



edit: you beat me to it.

Originally posted by thl408:

Found it from a previous post you made, 816. Did a google search and it referenced your post lol.
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edit: you beat me to it.

Haha....I'm google playbook famous

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by thl408:

Found it from a previous post you made, 816. Did a google search and it referenced your post lol.
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edit: you beat me to it.

Haha....I'm google playbook famous

Just for the hell of it here were the couple of pages of Hank from the 1994 niners pass install

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
On offense its hard to fault the gameplan considering the talent on the roster, particularly at QB. I think you can complain about some individual playcalls but you don't beat Seattle by attacking them down the field, you attack them horizontally, the way the Patriots did in the SB.

"They'd allowed the fewest big plays of any team all season, and you saw pretty early why you don't want to go into the Super Bowl throwing up a bunch of posts, a bunch of 'nine' routes. ['Go' routes.] Richard Sherman picks off the go route every time you throw it."

"The plan was to exploit other parts of the field—but short parts of the field. Michael Bennett rushes from everywhere. Cliff Avril kills people. They believe in what they do. We countered that by saying, 'Okay, here's what we're pretty good at: Space the field, find the soft spots, be satisfied with the four-yard gain, be happy with the four-yard gain. We were gonna be happy with a two-yard gain."-Tom Brady

http://www.givemesport.com/544999-tom-brady-reveals-how-new-england-patriots-beat-seattle-seahawks

The key is that you have to be able to execute at a high level, you're dinking and dunking down the field and depending on YAC. That means there is more pressure on everyone to do everything quickly and with precision. The precision part was definitely lacking. Missed blocks, circled off routes, bad ball placement by the QB, it was just all over the place and everyone gets a share of the blame. There are definitely things that the coaching staff could have done better but at some point, you're going to be limited by who you are putting on the field. If the guys you have out there aren't executing, aren't playing with precision, it can wreck a gameplan in a hurry.

Against better defenses this team is going to struggle mightily. Outside of Torrey they don't have anyone who is an exceptional threat and you have a quarterback that is gun-shy and even when he is completing passes, the ball placement isn't very good. It will be up and down all season and if Gabbert can't get it together against a flimsy Cowboys defense, he needs to go ride the bench ASAP.

Thanks for posting this. I don't think attacking underneath is a bad gameplan at all. Remember the Thanksgiving day game when the 49ers kept trying to attack deep? That's the wrong area to attack SEA with EThomas lurking, Sherman excelling at defending the deep throw, shutting down Torrey, and losing Vance midway through the game. Gabbert's stats on throws of 10+ yards are weak. Don't play into the hands of SEA by attacking them where they are very strong with something the QB can't do. Establish the short passing game first, then take deep shots later.

This is all whiteboard football, but Cover3's weakness is the four underneath zone defenders assigned to cover six zones. SEA knows this, went out and drafted some of the quickest LBs in the league. So while SEA has fast LBs to cover up for the scheme deficiency, the 49ers were simply outmatched that even though the concepts work on the whiteboard, they couldn't be executed on the field.

Well, I agree that on the whiteboard a lot of our stuff should've worked. But the problem I had was that we didn't have the right pieces in the right place to take advantage. Twice we tried to run a rub play to block chancellor from getting to his flat coverage and throw a quick out to the TE. On the whiteboard it looks great, but in execution, chancellor read it all the way aND we got a 3 yard gain the first time and a 1 yard gain with an injured Celek on 3rd down the 2nd time. We tried running a curl/flat which is great against cover 3 zone, but we first ran PA and it actually helped seatthe recover and shut the play down faster. There was the hank concept you showed aND the shallow cross I showed, but other than that I wasn't seeing open lanes or space for our guys in the horizontal game. Seattle was ready for a lot of the stuff we did. We also ran that sweep I showed 3 times and it was stuffed for -3 one of those times. The only times we were able to have any semblance of movement from our passing game was when we vertically stretched their defense.

I'm not saying we should've taken shots deep at Sherman or thomas, that's a fools errand. I'm thinking more of some of the speedo concepts with deep crosses off PA and flood concepts. ARI lit up Seattle last year with floods. While the Seattle defense can be exposed for the 4 underneath defenders, you have to guys who can gain yards after catch from those plays, we couldn't do it.

Again, though our defense deserves just as much blame in this. You can't expect your offense to keep pace against that defense. They have to keep you in the game. It's how LA beat Seattle and how Miami had a shot. The defense kept the offemse in the game. Ours gave up 3 TD's in 1 1/2 quarters.

Saw those plays by Chancellor. He keeps everything in front of him and reads plays so well. Besides the obvious, I think Chip's offense needs a scatback type to make the passing game improved. One that can threaten the wheel route and be an open space mismatch versus a LB. It's true about how Chip needs to gain + yards on each play to get his offense in a groove. Passing to the RB is the easiest pass and would 'keep the offense on schedule'.

I read an article somewhere about Cover3 being the big scheme in the NFL with SEA and their assts coaches spreading. Same thing happened with Tampa2 and that great Bucs D. Same story will play out as offenses work to defeat it.

Originally posted by Niners816:
1994 playart of Hank

Looking at this play, I was reminded of playing flag football in the 7th grade. The school was small so we were lucky if we had enough kids to play 6 v 6. In order to run, you had to hand the ball off in the backfield, hence there was a designated "hand off man" that would receive the ball and hand it off to the QB who could then either pass or run. Our Math teacher often played with us at recess. He called this play, "ends up and out, hand off man over center." It worked.

Originally posted by thl408:

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The moment between the snap and the time Gabbert sees the blue Hook defender move, I think, is enough to move to and target Torrey.

Is it possible he thought the defender was staying with torrey, and knew the edge rush was stopping the HB swing?

Originally posted by jdt84_2:

Originally posted by thl408:
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The moment between the snap and the time Gabbert sees the blue Hook defender move, I think, is enough to move to and target Torrey.

Is it possible he thought the defender was staying with torrey, and knew the edge rush was stopping the HB swing?

Nah, he has a tendency to throw to the man with a defender over him. Old habits are hard to break. You don't have to tell me twice.

Thanks for the breakdowns jonny and thl.

I hold Gabbert accountable for a lot of the team failings, and think he's utterly woeful, and I think he makes us much easier to defend because of his poor throw selection (reads), accuracy and unwillingness to throw to the sidelines or deep. When a defense does not fear a deep ball it makes it much easier to stifle the offense and I did expect us to come out with a gameplan to stretch the field horizontally but the coaches should share blame for this result.

Having said that I wonder how much of the gameplan is based on Gabbert's inadequacies and trying to have something he can execute.I believe that the coaches are very much trying to cover up his weakness.

I won't add much more, but genuinely appreciate the work you guys do to provide these breakdowns and this thread is one of the highlights each week on the forums.

Gabbert is terrible on third downs last year and already this year. I think Kapernick should come in on thrid downs.

If you have the time and inclination, could you break down the 9ers offenses' "second and six" play on the second offensive series of the first quarter? It looks to me like a read option where Gabbert hands off to Hyde but it seems like Gabbert should have kept it.

Originally posted by awp8912:

Originally posted by thl408:

The moment between the snap and the time Gabbert sees the blue Hook defender move, I think, is enough to move to and target Torrey.

Weird, jonnydel said on page 2 that he didn't know where Gabbert should go here and implied that the play design was at fault.

I think you're wrong here. Gabbert doesn't make wrong reads very often.

Did you hear what Modkins had to say in the presser?

I never said that....

What I did was grab a screen shot at the point when the concept was visible so that you, oh knowledgeable football guru, could tell us how Gabbert messed up. I gave you the chance to show your own analysis.

I never said Gabbert never makes wrong reads.

If the offense keeps playing this bad, it will definitely affect team morale. The offensive and defensive groups will be at each others necks.