Week 3 Seattle Seahawks coaches film analysis

Originally posted by ChazBoner:
ok, now u guys are just trolling with those PFF stats. You had to have realized by now, that they're pure b******t.


UNLESS!!! They're graded on a curve, per team. then it would make sense.

Na bro AA is beast. You can tell with his 3 tackles and half a sack that he got from brooks making the play.

Originally posted by ChazBoner:
ok, now u guys are just trolling with those PFF stats. You had to have realized by now, that they're pure b******t.


UNLESS!!! They're graded on a curve, per team. then it would make sense.

Well if you say so... Its not must be... False.

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by awp8912:
I called it last week. Again taking it easy on the current QB, who has a better Oline and Chip Kelly running the offense but struggling worse than Kap last season with Tomsula and Pears blocking for him and while injured.

Pretty much what I predicted as well.

y'all really are convinced that I'm extremely biased towards CK and am all over Gabbert's nuts aren't you?? I call it how I see it...but whatev....

Just so you know, this was from a film thread several years ago:

"From the offensive side of the ball:
I saw a LOT of growth in CK this week. I'll be posting some examples, but, he made some incredible reads and throws, and on one play in particular(which I'll show) he got to his 5th read on the play"

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/176305-analysis-atlanta-falcons-game-coaches-film/page2/

First play I broke down there, was a throwaway that I credited CK for making it a non-negative play....but you're right...I only go easy on gabs.....smh

Purcell was getting blown off the ball, reid was getting puked for the ball, hodges was awful but pff says they did great lol.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Here's the first big play we gave up on D. We just got out-schemed.


Here, we come out with a single high safety and show press on the outside. We've been beat by rub routes like this several times this season. This was one thing that Fangio's defense almost never got beat by because of his pattern-matching. Here, since we're trying to press, we can't pattern-match. So, to defeat these rub/pick plays your inside DB has to jam his guy off the line hard. I talked about it in another film thread and showed how Browner did that vs the Seahawks in the SB winning play.


Right before the snap, Ward backs off but Davis doesn't get any kind of jam on his guy and gets picked easily. Our defenders don't swap receivers and you see Davis has lost.


Because we're running a single high safety, he can't provide any help to the outside and it's now just an easy throw and catch. Even Blaine Gabbert could make this throw.


Easy play for 34 yards. Poor execution on our part and great execution on Seattle's part.

I wanted to add a few thoughts on this play. This is one play where technique breakdown was a culprit. 49ers are in Cover1 robber. Notice Davis (43) has outside shade on the WR Baldwin. This is proper alignment.


The blue zone defenders are where Davis should be funneling the WR towards. To do this, he has to maintain outside leverage. In the pic below, Davis' has lost his outside leverage to Baldwin. Notice Reid (35) on the other side of the field playing with proper leverage, funneling towards the help in the middle of the field.


Poor technique allows all that room for Baldwin to work. Why Davis decided to step towards the middle of the field after the snap is unknown. When playing man coverage, understanding where your help defenders are is critical.

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
Swing pass to RB and pray he makes a play

Also the play design could be to open up the top WR. The CB picks up the RB on the swing pass (maybe with a fake?), MLB follows crossing route, safety can't step up in time.

a swing pass to the RB matched up on Chancellor you say?? We tried that later - failed....

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by susweel:
Yah either play or gtfo, none of this part time bs. I don't even think it's the injury its probably he doesn't have enough stamina to play a complete game.

How do you expect a DL to push with a bum shoulder?

If he can't be effective out there due to injury, he shouldn't be playing. If he is playing, it must be because the coaching staff believes he is healthy enough to perform.

It may be the staff wanted to put him out there and see if he COULD contribute despite the injury. If the results are due to the injury, then perhaps they should consider surgery now and see if he can recover by the end of the season but for sure be ready for next year. The guy was too good, too promising at the end of last season to risk further injury and chronic shoulder problems if he keeps playing as such a low level.

However, PFF ranks him as the #12 interior defender on 109 snaps including this last game. Surprised me he was that high.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by ChazBoner:

ok, now u guys are just trolling with those PFF stats. You had to have realized by now, that they're pure b******t.


UNLESS!!! They're graded on a curve, per team. then it would make sense.

Well if you say so... Its not must be... False.

How about maybe watch the actual game for ounce.

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by ChazBoner:
ok, now u guys are just trolling with those PFF stats. You had to have realized by now, that they're pure b******t.


UNLESS!!! They're graded on a curve, per team. then it would make sense.

Well if you say so... Its not must be... False.

How about maybe watch the actual game for ounce.

Or at least look at the pics and gifs posted in this very informative thread that's way better than PFF numbers.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by awp8912:
Gabbert is terrible, zero redeemable factors. He was 1 for 11 on 3rd downs.

How can you explain the guy being so great at reads yet failing so hard to pass the ball?

It's not like he just delivers bad passes too. He consistently doesn't even attempt to throw past the first down marker.

How can you possibly think a QB is reading the field or seeing the field well when they are dead last on 3rd downs, going 2 years in a row?

If you go back to the passing game thread you will recall there were numerous times when none of the receivers ran routes past the LTG. Numerous posters in various threads have criticized the play calling and selection. Modkins affirmed this is failing in his presser. He said the coaches didn't give the players the plays and plan to be successful. Too much emphasis on spreading the field horizontally and far too many passive play calls.

One good example of this was the first 3rd down play where Kerley had room to run his slant route to the LTG but flattened out his route, caught the pass 2 yards short and was tackled immediately. That was all on Kerley, not Gabbert. Other examples in the other thread.

I think I know the play you are referring to - the first 3rd down (3rd & 7? I agree Kerley ran the route a bit flatter than he should have but Gabbert did a poor job placing the ball. I thought the CB made a very nice break on the route and might have tackled Kerley regardless, but the placement of the pass (trailing shoulder) did Kerley no favors. I will show this play later. If the 49ers are going to go with a short passing game, then the passes need to be more accurate.

Originally posted by susweel:
Purcell was getting blown off the ball, reid was getting puked for the ball, hodges was awful but pff says they did great lol.

I'd like for Purcell to be played as a 3-4 DE, not at the NT. He doesn't have the strength of leverage to be the NT IMO.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by lamontb:
Him and Buckner are too dam tall and don't play low enough. Thus they both are getting pushed around in the run game regardless of their strength. They do better on pass rush downs b/c the o lineman isn't firing off at them low. Thus they can use their raw power. But this only makes both of them part time players and not every down play makers like we need. Hopefully they can learn to play lower

Or more likely you are wrong in your assessment.

Bruh are you watching the games? Fozzy Whitaker never had a 100 yards rushing til he played the Niners. One of the worse o line's in the league just ran all over the Niners. And a journeyman running back that never had a td scored twice.

Here's the very next play after the big pass play first drive:


here Seattle comes out with 2 TE's and we counter with a "big nickel". 3-3-5. Buck - Pur - Dial with Brooks - Bow and Hodges then Tartt comes in as an extra safety. My problem here is the alignment call. To me, Purcell should be in a "1" tech on the weakside instead of the "0". Head up on the center is going to expose the weakside to a run.


Here our 2 DL, Purcell and Dial both don't hold onto their men. Dial shucks his guy off and Purcell also tries to come inside of his man. He needs to hold onto that guy and keep the LB - Hodges, clean.


Buckner is trying to maintain contain, but does it at the expense of setting a hard edge. He needs to accordion that edge to pinch the running lanes. You see Purcell also try and take an inside rush and his man gets free to the 2nd level. The man Dial let go falls into Purcell and takes him out of the play. Bow is trying to get outside to force the run back inside to Hodges.


Because the OL got to the 2nd level it creates a huge lane for the RB. Bethea tries to come back inside because of the huge hole, Tartt needs to recognize these plays faster and come down in run support sooner, as well.


The RB sets up his block for Bethea well and he's gone....

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
I don't think Gabbert did anything in that game to lose the game for us but he didn't do anything to win it.. The INT he had wasn't his fault, the ball was right where the receiver would want it, Patton simply blew it. I really hated a number of the play calls. I think Modkins hit it right on the head in his presser when he said they have to give their guys a better plan and a better situation. There were a number of designed play calls that were just bad ideas. I don't care who would've been our QB in this game, I don't think we win. We could've had Steve Young under center and I don't think we win this game.




didn't do anything to lose the game? How about converting 1st downs? Helping our defense to rest, TO FEEL MOTIVATED TO STAY IN THE GAME. How about waiting for something else to be open than hitting the first short pass he feels comfortable with


of course you don't care who could've been the QB this game. The point is, we don't know what could've happened. BUT what we do know, is Gabbert continues to play as the worse Starting QB in the League.

I got to get back to work.. I'll edit it this later....

The defense gave up a TD in 3 plays on the first drive of the game - they then gave up another TD the very next drive - yet that's on the offense?? C'mon, man. How many teams you know get down to Seattle 14-0 in the first quarter and win in Seattle??

Personally, I was going to be WAY more harsh to Chip in my OP than I was. I thought our game-plan was absolute garbage. Seattle snuffed out so many of our plays it wasn't even funny. His offense was exposed for what it has been - too simple and relies too much on misdirection.

I'll give you this shot - you can analyze this and tell me what should've happened:



This was 3rd and 4 - Seattle has a free rusher at Gabbert off the RT because Brown screwed up - where does he go with the ball to get a 1st??

No one is running a deep enough rout.

And that LB could easily jump the route to Patton for a possible INT or pick 6. Crappy play call on this third down IMO.

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
I don't think Gabbert did anything in that game to lose the game for us but he didn't do anything to win it.. The INT he had wasn't his fault, the ball was right where the receiver would want it, Patton simply blew it. I really hated a number of the play calls. I think Modkins hit it right on the head in his presser when he said they have to give their guys a better plan and a better situation. There were a number of designed play calls that were just bad ideas. I don't care who would've been our QB in this game, I don't think we win. We could've had Steve Young under center and I don't think we win this game.




didn't do anything to lose the game? How about converting 1st downs? Helping our defense to rest, TO FEEL MOTIVATED TO STAY IN THE GAME. How about waiting for something else to be open than hitting the first short pass he feels comfortable with


of course you don't care who could've been the QB this game. The point is, we don't know what could've happened. BUT what we do know, is Gabbert continues to play as the worse Starting QB in the League.

I got to get back to work.. I'll edit it this later....

The defense gave up a TD in 3 plays on the first drive of the game - they then gave up another TD the very next drive - yet that's on the offense?? C'mon, man. How many teams you know get down to Seattle 14-0 in the first quarter and win in Seattle??

Personally, I was going to be WAY more harsh to Chip in my OP than I was. I thought our game-plan was absolute garbage. Seattle snuffed out so many of our plays it wasn't even funny. His offense was exposed for what it has been - too simple and relies too much on misdirection.

I'll give you this shot - you can analyze this and tell me what should've happened:



This was 3rd and 4 - Seattle has a free rusher at Gabbert off the RT because Brown screwed up - where does he go with the ball to get a 1st??

Thank you for your work and this film. Your analysis, particularly on play design and selection is pretty much in line with what I said in the passing game thread.

Swing pass to RB and pray he makes a play

Also the play design could be to open up the top WR. The CB picks up the RB on the swing pass (maybe with a fake?), MLB follows crossing route, safety can't step up in time.

IIRC, Smith is at the top of the screen and comes open just as Gabbert releases the ball to the right flat. So yes, it could have been to open him up, unfortunately, Brown whiffs and Gabbert is under pressure to get rid of the ball so he goes wide instead of holding it to see if Smith comes free.

If Smith doesn't come free Gabbert is either sacked or throws it away. There is no chance of a 1st because of the way Seattle plays their zone coverage on those swing plays.