Week 3 Seattle Seahawks coaches film analysis

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by ChazBoner:
that one pissed me off. Garb should've immediately gone to draughn. all he has to do is beat Sheman, and he's in.

Yep. I remember thinking it could have went for something had it not come in so late and off target.

Regurgitating Tim Ryan radio 'analyst'

Here was the run right before the 3rd down pass to Draugh, earlier. When I watched the broadcast, I hated the playcall, but that's why coaches film can be so valuable. After review - I was so frustrated with Blake Bell....


Here we're going to run a sweep read-option. We're going to pull the C and G on the strong side while leaving the DT unblocked as the "read" portion.


I like that this gives Staley such a good angle down onto the DT, and he mauls the guy. Blake Bell is trying to block his guy down inside for the sweep. Gabs is reading the DT.


You see Gabs made the right read on the run, Bell's guy manhandles him and shucks him off inside. The only negative about this play is that it's asking a ton of Kilgore. He has to snap the ball, then pull and get around outside - that's tough. It's gonna be tough for Hyde to cut inside because the play design takes him to the outside first. Plus, your big ugs aren't gonna be able to be agile enough to cut up inside. That's why Bell has to get his guy inside in some way.


Beadles kicks his guy out, Staley and Celek both wall the 2nd level and DT off, if Bell could've stayed outside it would give Hyde a big lane to run behind Kilgore. But, instead Hyde has to try and cut inside.


Bell's guy tackles Hyde for a 1 yard gain.... Could've been a TD and would've changed the whole complexion of the game as it would've been 14-7 instead of 14-3...

Originally posted by lamontb:
Where are all the screens and quick hitters to the backs that we heard about in the off season?

Seriously, fly-sweeps, pitch-outs to Hyde/Harris/Draughn, reverses, post routes to Smith, etc. It seems like all our RB designs go to the sidelines vs. attacking holes in the defense beyond the LOS, no McDonald in holes as an outlet for Gabbert (they had a great connection all last year esp. in the RZ; no mas), etc. I recommended in another thread, if you want to see clever designs that make life easy for a QB-Receiver, watch that Saints/Falcons game last night; very clever innovative stuff like even pulling in their WR's closer to the tackles to chip on pass rushers before they release into their routes. Kelly isn't showing me any innovation at all and for a HC/OC who KNEW coming in, we didn't have a ton of offensive talent and we'd need to rely on creative design, it ain't happening thus far.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Good stuff JD...that was my exact feelings during the game and good to see my eyes didn't fail me on my concerns of design. I watched a lot of football this week and I have real concerns about the scheme and game plans and even, personnel choices (at times). It's no secret we don't have all-world talent but there is a lot a HC/OC/DC can do to put his players in positions to succeed via scheme. The bottom line is I felt we were massively outschemed and outcoached and I was happy to here Modkins at least recognize it. That said, both Kelly and Gabbert talked about having better first down production coming into the Seattle game and I didn't seen any changes there so...until I see it...I'll remain skeptical.

John Lynch talked about it during the broadcast and I've seen it in all the film, Kelly doesn't have a ton of volume to what he does so there's not a ton of complexity to his passing game. It's not that the plays themselves aren't complex, it's that his lower volume makes it easier to sniff out if you have enough diagnose time pre-snap. I think Kelly is trying to help his defense out with tempo, but it's coming at the expense of his offense. His offense only works if you have a high enough tempo to keep the defense from recognizing things pre-snap. So, right now we're in an unhappy medium. IMO. Either you'd have to have more levels to what you do(impossible at this point in the season) or increase the tempo. To me, why not?? You're already giving up tons of points already, ramp it up and maybe you'll be able to keep the game closer....

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Good stuff JD...that was my exact feelings during the game and good to see my eyes didn't fail me on my concerns of design. I watched a lot of football this week and I have real concerns about the scheme and game plans and even, personnel choices (at times). It's no secret we don't have all-world talent but there is a lot a HC/OC/DC can do to put his players in positions to succeed via scheme. The bottom line is I felt we were massively outschemed and outcoached and I was happy to here Modkins at least recognize it. That said, both Kelly and Gabbert talked about having better first down production coming into the Seattle game and I didn't seen any changes there so...until I see it...I'll remain skeptical.

John Lynch talked about it during the broadcast and I've seen it in all the film, Kelly doesn't have a ton of volume to what he does so there's not a ton of complexity to his passing game. It's not that the plays themselves aren't complex, it's that his lower volume makes it easier to sniff out if you have enough diagnose time pre-snap. I think Kelly is trying to help his defense out with tempo, but it's coming at the expense of his offense. His offense only works if you have a high enough tempo to keep the defense from recognizing things pre-snap. So, right now we're in an unhappy medium. IMO. Either you'd have to have more levels to what you do(impossible at this point in the season) or increase the tempo. To me, why not?? You're already giving up tons of points already, ramp it up and maybe you'll be able to keep the game closer....

Great thoughts JD. Even then, Kelly noted that he's not really allowed to run hurry up too much as the refs, the past couple years, stand over the ball and ensure the defense get their substitutions in. IIRC, I read that from him last week in his presser? So, how fast can he really go? If that's the most innovative we can get at this point, like you said, DO IT!

Originally posted by thl408:
Here's the first '3 and out', which happened on the first drive.

49ers call a good concept versus the coverage as they try to get a pic/rub versus man coverage. They stack their WRs.


This was mentioned earlier, but Kerley ran his route rather flat. I feel as though it should have been more "slant-like" to get the CB on Kerley to run into the CB running with Torrey (other WR).


The ball placement needs to be on the upfield shoulder to allow for RAC. You can see the ball was put on Kerley's trailing shoulder since Kerley never had to extend his arms forward to make the catch.


CB made a pretty nice break on the route and makes the tackle short of the first down.

Anyone else notice the receiver at the bottom has his man beat on a streak route and no safety around?

On offense its hard to fault the gameplan considering the talent on the roster, particularly at QB. I think you can complain about some individual playcalls but you don't beat Seattle by attacking them down the field, you attack them horizontally, the way the Patriots did in the SB.

"They'd allowed the fewest big plays of any team all season, and you saw pretty early why you don't want to go into the Super Bowl throwing up a bunch of posts, a bunch of 'nine' routes. ['Go' routes.] Richard Sherman picks off the go route every time you throw it."


"The plan was to exploit other parts of the field—but short parts of the field. Michael Bennett rushes from everywhere. Cliff Avril kills people. They believe in what they do. We countered that by saying, 'Okay, here's what we're pretty good at: Space the field, find the soft spots, be satisfied with the four-yard gain, be happy with the four-yard gain. We were gonna be happy with a two-yard gain."-Tom Brady

http://www.givemesport.com/544999-tom-brady-reveals-how-new-england-patriots-beat-seattle-seahawks




The key is that you have to be able to execute at a high level, you're dinking and dunking down the field and depending on YAC. That means there is more pressure on everyone to do everything quickly and with precision. The precision part was definitely lacking. Missed blocks, circled off routes, bad ball placement by the QB, it was just all over the place and everyone gets a share of the blame. There are definitely things that the coaching staff could have done better but at some point, you're going to be limited by who you are putting on the field. If the guys you have out there aren't executing, aren't playing with precision, it can wreck a gameplan in a hurry.



Against better defenses this team is going to struggle mightily. Outside of Torrey they don't have anyone who is an exceptional threat and you have a quarterback that is gun-shy and even when he is completing passes, the ball placement isn't very good. It will be up and down all season and if Gabbert can't get it together against a flimsy Cowboys defense, he needs to go ride the bench ASAP.

Here's one of our disastrous 3rd downs. 3rd and 14



We're going to run cover 4 with an 8 man drop. We'll have 4 deep and 4 underneath zones, 3-man rush. Seattle comes with a double post concept.


From the snap, you see our guys retreating to their quarters coverage areas.


You see Russel Wilson is completely comfortable in that pocket. One reason I'm not a huge fan of the 3 man rush. This isn't madden....lol.


Bethea takes the inside post route and it's going to open things up for Baldwin. One thing Brock isn't great at is that he can get run-by in situations like this. We saw it numerous times last season and this is the 2nd time this season. Wilson's still have a picnic back there. You have receivers run over 20 yards down field and you have zero.....I mean, zero pressure.


Baldwin runs right by Brock and Reid is trying to come over to help, but he's not gonna be able to make it. Bethea is occupied by Graham.


59 yard completion on 3rd and 14 - C'mon man!!!!

Originally posted by kronik:

Originally posted by thl408:
Here's the first '3 and out', which happened on the first drive.

49ers call a good concept versus the coverage as they try to get a pic/rub versus man coverage. They stack their WRs.


This was mentioned earlier, but Kerley ran his route rather flat. I feel as though it should have been more "slant-like" to get the CB on Kerley to run into the CB running with Torrey (other WR).


The ball placement needs to be on the upfield shoulder to allow for RAC. You can see the ball was put on Kerley's trailing shoulder since Kerley never had to extend his arms forward to make the catch.


CB made a pretty nice break on the route and makes the tackle short of the first down.

Anyone else notice the receiver at the bottom has his man beat on a streak route and no safety around?

This looked like it was simply designed to go to Kerley - that was the only real option. I don't think there were any progressions, just try and create space for a player to make something and get the LTG. Just didn't work for a number of reasons. Also, that's Vance McD on Chancellor - I'm not hedging any bets we win that matchup.

Originally posted by kronik:

Originally posted by thl408:
Here's the first '3 and out', which happened on the first drive.

49ers call a good concept versus the coverage as they try to get a pic/rub versus man coverage. They stack their WRs.


This was mentioned earlier, but Kerley ran his route rather flat. I feel as though it should have been more "slant-like" to get the CB on Kerley to run into the CB running with Torrey (other WR).


The ball placement needs to be on the upfield shoulder to allow for RAC. You can see the ball was put on Kerley's trailing shoulder since Kerley never had to extend his arms forward to make the catch.


CB made a pretty nice break on the route and makes the tackle short of the first down.

Anyone else notice the receiver at the bottom has his man beat on a streak route and no safety around?

Also WR at the top of the screen running a deep comeback route past the sticks. We had a favorable look on this play and still couldn't convert.

The read to Kerley wasn't bad, he was probably the primary read on the play. But given the defensive alignment, single high safety with man coverage underneath, both outside WRs are in 1v1 matchups and in a position to win if Gabbert throws them open.

This is one of my biggest problems with him. I like QBs who give their WRs a chance to win 1v1 with a well placed ball. Gabbert is unwilling to do this, especially throwing outside the hashmarks.

Jim 'Mora Jr' O'Neil 3rd down D

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Good stuff JD...that was my exact feelings during the game and good to see my eyes didn't fail me on my concerns of design. I watched a lot of football this week and I have real concerns about the scheme and game plans and even, personnel choices (at times). It's no secret we don't have all-world talent but there is a lot a HC/OC/DC can do to put his players in positions to succeed via scheme. The bottom line is I felt we were massively outschemed and outcoached and I was happy to here Modkins at least recognize it. That said, both Kelly and Gabbert talked about having better first down production coming into the Seattle game and I didn't seen any changes there so...until I see it...I'll remain skeptical.

John Lynch talked about it during the broadcast and I've seen it in all the film, Kelly doesn't have a ton of volume to what he does so there's not a ton of complexity to his passing game. It's not that the plays themselves aren't complex, it's that his lower volume makes it easier to sniff out if you have enough diagnose time pre-snap. I think Kelly is trying to help his defense out with tempo, but it's coming at the expense of his offense. His offense only works if you have a high enough tempo to keep the defense from recognizing things pre-snap. So, right now we're in an unhappy medium. IMO. Either you'd have to have more levels to what you do(impossible at this point in the season) or increase the tempo. To me, why not?? You're already giving up tons of points already, ramp it up and maybe you'll be able to keep the game closer....

His lack of formation usage and the slowing down of his tempo seem to be a mismatch. You can go fast with lack of forms and succeed, but if you are slowing it down you need more variety in formation usage to disguise concepts.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by ChazBoner:

that one pissed me off. Garb should've immediately gone to draughn. all he has to do is beat Sheman, and he's in.

Yep. I remember thinking it could have went for something had it not come in so late and off target.

Regurgitating Tim Ryan radio 'analyst'

You referring to me or Chaz? If you're talking to me I have no clue what you're insinuating as I don't listen to the radio broadcast.

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Dajanksta:

Originally posted by susweel:

Why does AA not play full time ?

bc he's s**tty . Makes me hate Baalke so much lol.

Srsly I want the answer for this he's a mid first round pick in his second year why is he not playing 80-90% of the snaps ?????????

Ummm I thought they are limiting his snaps to hide his injury, there is something we don't know

How in the hell do we let SEA beat us on those circle routes? They have been doing that to us every f**ken game and we still don't expect it to come, especially in that ACE formation.