2016 week 5 Arizona Cardinals coaches film analysis thread

Originally posted by Joecool:
Seems like the last two games, the teams have been crashing their ends hard and filling in with the LB and or S to the run side. It's been killing us. I don't know why we are not coming up with a counter-move to teams committing 2 defenders that hard to one side. We easily would have the numbers in the passing game in this situation if the DL is simply slanting hard.

They have been doing this with only 7 in the box. With Gabbert having ran more, this means to me that they don't care if the QB runs because they will rely on their LB's to close in for a 3 yard gain by our QB. This also means they don't think we will run our QB every play and they are correct.

Let's hope Kap is faster than the LB's and turns Gabbert's 3-6 yarders into 10 yarders. I know there were a couple where if Kap was in for Blaine, it would have gone for a huge gain down the sideline.

generally, what most teams do to counter this kind of over-committal is either slide concepts - meant to force action one direction and bring receivers across the other direction, but since we don't have that turn hand-off fake, you expose your QB, on those plays, to big hits. It's why Chip doesn't do it. Or, you run counter split-zone plays. Where you get the line moving one direction and bring another blocker(usually a TE) back the other direction and have your RB come back that way as well.

We have done neither.

a simple HIGH SCHOOL blocking scheme and this so called PROS can't get it done??

Could it be that Sunshine called for a 61- GOSS.. 61 - GOSS... and had Tiller confused on who to block??

61- GOSS!! the old scrimmage blocking audible..

61 = number of the OL

G - GUARD
O - ON
S - STRONG
S - SAFETY

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:
Even with some of the mishaps, there were plays to be made in the passing game that could impacted the outcome, I'm hoping Kap can take advantage of those opportunities.

No question, there have been plays to be made in the passing game. But, our problems run deeper. When you have missed execution in run games, it's not because you couldn't connect on that big pass play. When your defense is getting gashed in every quarter, no just in the 4th when that fatigue factor from your offense not performing should be setting in, it's not because you missed on a couple throws.

I said it in the OP, in the modern NFL, when teams have a 100 yard rusher, they win many more games than they lose and vice versa about allowing a 100 yard rusher.

In 2014 alone, when teams had a 100 yard rusher, they won 75% of the time. Or, you can flip it and say if a team allowed a 100 yard rusher they lost 75% of the time.

No other metric proves winning more(maybe other than turnover differential). 300 yard passing games tend to lose more games than they win. More deep completions are about 50/50.

Time and time again, the NFL has shown that if you can run the ball and stop the run, you will win a LOT of games in today's NFL. In Philly, Chip's first year, he had the #1 rushing attack. Was that because of his passing game?? No. His passing game was helped by his incredibly strong running game. It also helped that he was playing in the NFC East, which didn't have any good run stopping defenses that year.

AGREE... and that's why I had suggested that what we need in this offense is a Running Play Coordinator, because Kelly's running style no matter who much he runs the ball will not work..

Originally posted by 9moon:
a simple HIGH SCHOOL blocking scheme and this so called PROS can't get it done??

Could it be that Sunshine called for a 61- GOSS.. 61 - GOSS... and had Tiller confused on who to block??

61- GOSS!! the old scrimmage blocking audible..

61 = number of the OL

G - GUARD
O - ON
S - STRONG
S - SAFETY

I listened for it and it was really hard to hear what Blaine called. I heard, "gigasdlkjsf;dsjk hurry guhhh"

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:
Even with some of the mishaps, there were plays to be made in the passing game that could impacted the outcome, I'm hoping Kap can take advantage of those opportunities.

No question, there have been plays to be made in the passing game. But, our problems run deeper. When you have missed execution in run games, it's not because you couldn't connect on that big pass play. When your defense is getting gashed in every quarter, no just in the 4th when that fatigue factor from your offense not performing should be setting in, it's not because you missed on a couple throws.

I said it in the OP, in the modern NFL, when teams have a 100 yard rusher, they win many more games than they lose and vice versa about allowing a 100 yard rusher.

In 2014 alone, when teams had a 100 yard rusher, they won 75% of the time. Or, you can flip it and say if a team allowed a 100 yard rusher they lost 75% of the time.

No other metric proves winning more(maybe other than turnover differential). 300 yard passing games tend to lose more games than they win. More deep completions are about 50/50.

Time and time again, the NFL has shown that if you can run the ball and stop the run, you will win a LOT of games in today's NFL. In Philly, Chip's first year, he had the #1 rushing attack. Was that because of his passing game?? No. His passing game was helped by his incredibly strong running game. It also helped that he was playing in the NFC East, which didn't have any good run stopping defenses that year.

Fully agree.

I didn't expect the offensive line to gel until late in the season so I understand there might be some sort of learning curve for the unit. I just feel like if we can improve our passing game, there are opportunities for quick strikes to put points on the board. Which is what I expect from a Chip Kelly team, the offense carries the weight.

I don't expect much from the defense, to me they get a pass.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Seems like the last two games, the teams have been crashing their ends hard and filling in with the LB and or S to the run side. It's been killing us. I don't know why we are not coming up with a counter-move to teams committing 2 defenders that hard to one side. We easily would have the numbers in the passing game in this situation if the DL is simply slanting hard.

They have been doing this with only 7 in the box. With Gabbert having ran more, this means to me that they don't care if the QB runs because they will rely on their LB's to close in for a 3 yard gain by our QB. This also means they don't think we will run our QB every play and they are correct.

Let's hope Kap is faster than the LB's and turns Gabbert's 3-6 yarders into 10 yarders. I know there were a couple where if Kap was in for Blaine, it would have gone for a huge gain down the sideline.

generally, what most teams do to counter this kind of over-committal is either slide concepts - meant to force action one direction and bring receivers across the other direction, but since we don't have that turn hand-off fake, you expose your QB, on those plays, to big hits. It's why Chip doesn't do it. Or, you run counter split-zone plays. Where you get the line moving one direction and bring another blocker(usually a TE) back the other direction and have your RB come back that way as well.

We have done neither.

But that's what one of the articles breaking down Kelly's predictability mentioned: that he mostly runs to the non TE side if the TE and RB are on opposite sides or something like that.

In this case, TE and RB were on the same side so ARI crashed one player and filled with two players since the TE was already there. If the TE wasn't there, then they would fill with just the End and make the QB read it and simply chase him down with the second player.

Now if the QB decides to pass...well the LB filling in would have nailed him. This is why running on the TE side really doesn't work because we can't pass out of it when the DE is shifted over him. Now this forces the TE back to the opposite side and we are predictable.

Here was another example of how ARI played the run well and how we didn't. This is the type of stuff that I'm judging Armstead and Buckner against. These are the things they need to do to be solid D-lineman and things that will allow them to be on the field in every situation. It's about the lightbulb up-stairs, not the physical traits or even injuries. I know Armstead is playing with a bum arm, but I'm not seeing the lightbulb to recognize things like these guys - which I understand they're young. But, this isn't Armstead's first dance neither.


Here, we're going to run an inside zone-read play. The key on this will be Calais Campbell.


We have a big bubble over the "1" hole. This is where the run is supposed to go. If everything played out right, Tiller combo's on Campbell while Brown scoops around to seal him off and Tiller gets to the 2nd level and walls off the LB. We saw this very thing happen in the DAL game when Elliot tore off a 27 yard run against us. What ends up happening is that Campbell takes on Tiller and holds on to him and Brown then has to try and move to the 2nd level.


The edge contains the QB run and Campbell is taking care of Tiller. See how he's got his arm on Tiller's shoulder, he's holding him in so he can't release off. Brown see's that Tiller is occupied and tries to get to the LB but he's got a terrible angle. Since Campbell has free'd up the LB, he see's the hole and moves to fill it.


Because Campbell took on the correct guy, it leaves one blocker with no one to block and a free running MLB.


2 yard gain. We need more production out of our run game and this is how we need out DT's to play.

We ended up scoring a TD on this play but on this drive we had Hyde on caries of 1, 5, 2 and 3. We had 2 QB scrambles for 4 and 9. That means our QB was responsible for all but 11 yards of that drive. We don't have good enough QB's to put that much on their shoulders to carry our team to scores. I don't care if it's CK in there, he needs more help than that.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Seems like the last two games, the teams have been crashing their ends hard and filling in with the LB and or S to the run side. It's been killing us. I don't know why we are not coming up with a counter-move to teams committing 2 defenders that hard to one side. We easily would have the numbers in the passing game in this situation if the DL is simply slanting hard.

They have been doing this with only 7 in the box. With Gabbert having ran more, this means to me that they don't care if the QB runs because they will rely on their LB's to close in for a 3 yard gain by our QB. This also means they don't think we will run our QB every play and they are correct.

Let's hope Kap is faster than the LB's and turns Gabbert's 3-6 yarders into 10 yarders. I know there were a couple where if Kap was in for Blaine, it would have gone for a huge gain down the sideline.

generally, what most teams do to counter this kind of over-committal is either slide concepts - meant to force action one direction and bring receivers across the other direction, but since we don't have that turn hand-off fake, you expose your QB, on those plays, to big hits. It's why Chip doesn't do it. Or, you run counter split-zone plays. Where you get the line moving one direction and bring another blocker(usually a TE) back the other direction and have your RB come back that way as well.

We have done neither.

But that's what one of the articles breaking down Kelly's predictability mentioned: that he mostly runs to the non TE side if the TE and RB are on opposite sides or something like that.

In this case, TE and RB were on the same side so ARI crashed one player and filled with two players since the TE was already there. If the TE wasn't there, then they would fill with just the End and make the QB read it and simply chase him down with the second player.

Now if the QB decides to pass...well the LB filling in would have nailed him. This is why running on the TE side really doesn't work because we can't pass out of it when the DE is shifted over him. Now this forces the TE back to the opposite side and we are predictable.

I can't really speak to that, but what I do know is that running out of the shotgun like we do really shows which side we're trying to run towards and shows the defense where the QB contain will be. If anything, I think we should run more pistol. As it gives run option either way and makes it harder to do those scrape exchanges that we've seen so many times. To Kelly's credit, we did see more pistol as the game went on.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
I can't really speak to that, but what I do know is that running out of the shotgun like we do really shows which side we're trying to run towards and shows the defense where the QB contain will be. If anything, I think we should run more pistol. As it gives run option either way and makes it harder to do those scrape exchanges that we've seen so many times. To Kelly's credit, we did see more pistol as the game went on.

Since Kap is comfortable in shotgun from closer in the Pistol, let's hope we do that more. Thing is, then that's more presnap reads by multiple players that need to be correct. The OL need to know which way to go and so does Kap and Hyde. If anyone messes up, it's blown up. Kelly is all about keeping reads simple.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
I can't really speak to that, but what I do know is that running out of the shotgun like we do really shows which side we're trying to run towards and shows the defense where the QB contain will be. If anything, I think we should run more pistol. As it gives run option either way and makes it harder to do those scrape exchanges that we've seen so many times. To Kelly's credit, we did see more pistol as the game went on.

Since Kap is comfortable in shotgun from closer in the Pistol, let's hope we do that more. Thing is, then that's more presnap reads by multiple players that need to be correct. The OL need to know which way to go and so does Kap and Hyde. If anyone messes up, it's blown up. Kelly is all about keeping reads simple.

I more mean, they can run the same plays, but put the RB in line with the QB so at least the defense doesn't know which side the zone read will be based off where the RB is. In our shotgun, they know the side the RB is on will be the QB zone-read side. They can still run a a strong side inside-zone read but put the RB squared up so those scrapes will be more of a guessing game if it's strong side or weak-side.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Wanted to show the last INT and how I put it on Kelly. To do that, you're going to have to bear with me as there's going to be a lot of pics.


Here's a play early in the 2nd quarter. Kelly likes to start out in this formation a lot 3 receivers to one side with the TE on the other and the HB in the pistol. About half the time he'll motion one of the receivers across the formation though. Note that Kerley is the closest receiver inside. This is the first pass thrown out of this formation with Kerley in this position.

We're going to run a mix of concepts. Divide + flood. We have a "divide" concept with the streak/post combo and a "flood" with the streak/D-out/shallow cross.


We run PA first(we run 75% of the time out of this formation) it holds up the LB's and Ari is in quarters cover(i think).


You see the double on the post, Peterson is taking care of Torrey(this is a formation where he only ever runs a streak...) and Marcus Cooper is attacking Kerley's route.


There's a busted coverage at the bottom with the RB - but I think this is designed to go to Kerley(i think...not sure though). We get 13 yards on a completion to Kerley.


This is later in the 2nd quarter. Again, Kerley is the closets receiver in from the same formation. Again, we're going to run divide+flood. This is the 2nd pass out of this formation.


We run PA...look familiar??


Ari is in zone. Your see the coverage on the post, you see Peterson has T. Smith again(again...the only route he runs from this formation....) and the underneath crossing route is attracting the LB to open up the D-Out.


Kerley is once again open. This time Ari doesn't bust coverage on the RB


Don't let the flip of the play fool you. Same formation, just flipped. This will be the 4th pass run out of this formation with Kerley in that inside spot. The next time they threw this formation it was still a flood concept. Kerley ran a hitch-out, so his route was still the intermediate route - no vertical route threatened from this formation. Also, we didn't run any run action fake on that play. Again, you see it's the divide+flood.


PA fake - this time the RB didn't move for the fake because of a blitz p/up assignment. But Gabs still carries out the fake - guess where the ball is going....anyone??? I bet Marcus Cooper knows.....


Look out how they're playing the other routes, they're expecting them. Peterson has no fear of an underneath route, the safeties are jumping on the post and Marcus Cooper is sitting flat footed on the out route - he knows it's coming and baits Gabs. When Kerley starts his break, he looks open. But Cooper knew this route was coming and was ready to drive on it.


He drives to under-cut the route.


The throw was a little behind Kerley, but not much. I don't think it would've mattered anyway. Cooper saw the route coming the whole way. It was the same play, out of the same formation, the 3rd time and there was only ever 1 variation that never threatened deep. Once he saw that PA fake on the throw, he knew where it was going and he knew the route that was coming.

This was a HUGE point in the game. We were down 21-14 at this point and had just stopped Arizona. To me, this is on Kelly the whole way. You can't be that predictable in your formations. If I could catch this watching film. You better believe these guys did when it's their job.....

Are you saying Gabbert shouldn't have picked up on the fact that he kept going to the same guy running the same route from the same formation and the defense probably knows what he's about to do? Is he not responsible for quarterbacking? Were there no other receivers running routes? Is the qb not responsible for recognizing when hes being baited? I get that it was predictable, but did Chip force Gabbert to throw to Kerley every time? Wouldn't you think a good QB would know that the defense is picking these things up?

To be clear, I believe Chip is at fault here, but so is Gabbert. Chip didn't throw the ball for Gabbert.

Near end of 1st half 1st & 10
top of screen. RR vs Brown


Brown fakes inside, but RR won't take any steps towards the inside.


Knowing he had help to the inside, RR didn't allow the head fake to affect him. When Brown breaks towards a Corner route, RR has maintained outside leverage and they meet.

For the most part, Celek had a horrible game. Damn you Bruce Miller

The adage held true for Gabbert, it's a make or miss league. He missed 2 huge throws that add 100+ yards to his passing totals and 2Tds. it keeps the game competitive as well as keeps his job. He misses huge throws that average NFL QBs make and at this point, it's in his head.

Big plays...when they are there to be made, must make the throw.