Week 6 Buff Bills Coaches Film Analysis Thread

Originally posted by awp8912:
Can you guys comment on whether that floater throw to I think it was Draughns, in the redzone was a catch-able throw or was it too far out?

I thought it should have been caught from the game angle but from coaches film it should show the proper angle to know for sure.

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Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by awp8912:
Can you guys comment on whether that floater throw to I think it was Draughns, in the redzone was a catch-able throw or was it too far out?

I thought it should have been caught from the game angle but from coaches film it should show the proper angle to know for sure.

Thrown too far, I'm having trouble with photobucket on my comp. It's starts running SUPER slow when I have photobucket open so it's taken forever to upload anything. Tinypic aint working for me either.

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Originally posted by jonnydel:
Agreed, I too thought there was an open passing option on that play and thought, "well, can't complain, 29 yard gain".

Agree on the lateness of some of those throws. It's always been one of my complaints against him and I was looking for him to be more on-time in this game. It might be rust and not being used to the live-game speed. However, it's also something he's struggled with since 2012.

As for some of the other zone-reads I was talking about, check out 13:08 3rd quarter, 1:40 3rd quarter and :21 3rd quarter. Those were one's I saw that looked like he should've kept it. Which is why I was wondering if those are truly zone-reads. Kaep's never really struggled with the right reads on the zone-read. So, it makes me wonder if they're just designed runs with a QB action fake.

Yeah Kap is well versed in the zone read and will make the proper read most times. That's one thing Chip never had in a QB, a QB with past experience with the zone read. Even Vick never executed zone-read until he played for Chip (I think).

Here are snapshots of the mesh point for those plays you mentioned.
If Kap keeps here, there are two defenders waiting for him on the edge. Patton looks like he can block for Kap but he continues his sweep motion and was not looking to block.


Red is about to get blocked by Vance and I think Kap can win on the edge here against blue. I agree Kap could have kept here, but I don't know who blue is and how athletic he is.


Red LB is kept clean and would meet Kap on the edge. Maybe Kap beats him 1v1, but I don't think it's a sure thing.

Originally posted by awp8912:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by awp8912:
Can you guys comment on whether that floater throw to I think it was Draughns, in the redzone was a catch-able throw or was it too far out?

I thought it should have been caught from the game angle but from coaches film it should show the proper angle to know for sure.

Thrown too far, I'm having trouble with photobucket on my comp. It's starts running SUPER slow when I have photobucket open so it's taken forever to upload anything. Tinypic aint working for me either.

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When watching it live, it looked as though Kap missed a wide open Draughn because Draughn had a good two steps on the LB when the ball arrived. But looking at this snapshot, Draughn was not open at the time the ball was released so it wasn't a huge miss imo. The miss to Torrey on the deep post was worse, but Kap was smacked just as he threw.
Good recognition of the 1v1 matchup. Juuust missed.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Agreed, I too thought there was an open passing option on that play and thought, "well, can't complain, 29 yard gain".

Agree on the lateness of some of those throws. It's always been one of my complaints against him and I was looking for him to be more on-time in this game. It might be rust and not being used to the live-game speed. However, it's also something he's struggled with since 2012.

As for some of the other zone-reads I was talking about, check out 13:08 3rd quarter, 1:40 3rd quarter and :21 3rd quarter. Those were one's I saw that looked like he should've kept it. Which is why I was wondering if those are truly zone-reads. Kaep's never really struggled with the right reads on the zone-read. So, it makes me wonder if they're just designed runs with a QB action fake.

Yeah Kap is well versed in the zone read and will make the proper read most times. That's one thing Chip never had in a QB, a QB with past experience with the zone read. Even Vick never executed zone-read until he played for Chip (I think).

Here are snapshots of the mesh point for those plays you mentioned.
If Kap keeps here, there are two defenders waiting for him on the edge. Patton looks like he can block for Kap but he continues his sweep motion and was not looking to block.


Red is about to get blocked by Vance and I think Kap can win on the edge here against blue. I agree Kap could have kept here, but I don't know who blue is and how athletic he is.


Red LB is kept clean and would meet Kap on the edge. Maybe Kap beats him 1v1, but I don't think it's a sure thing.

My thing is, if he's reading the end, who he's looking at, he should be keeping it. We saw that with BG. Those LB's are in the hole the RB is trying to go into at the mesh point. Look at em from the endzone too.

The first one, that defender was running straight at Patton - not even eyes in the backfield and the safety was playing inside.
2nd one, the end is crashing down and the LB is reading inside run(either way, if the end is crashing and it's a true zone-read, CK should keep it).
Last one -same thing.

That's part of what why I'm thinking these were designed HB runs. The zone-read is just window dressing. If you watch the endzone and where CK's reading, he doesn't even look at the other defenders you highlighted. The 2 in red - I'd like to believe CK, even with a LB beats him to the edge.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by awp8912:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by awp8912:
Can you guys comment on whether that floater throw to I think it was Draughns, in the redzone was a catch-able throw or was it too far out?

I thought it should have been caught from the game angle but from coaches film it should show the proper angle to know for sure.

Thrown too far, I'm having trouble with photobucket on my comp. It's starts running SUPER slow when I have photobucket open so it's taken forever to upload anything. Tinypic aint working for me either.

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When watching it live, it looked as though Kap missed a wide open Draughn because Draughn had a good two steps on the LB when the ball arrived. But looking at this snapshot, Draughn was not open at the time the ball was released so it wasn't a huge miss imo. The miss to Torrey on the deep post was worse, but Kap was smacked just as he threw.
Good recognition of the 1v1 matchup. Juuust missed.

I'm actually working on a breakdown of this play. I really like the play design from Chip on this one to play off an earlier play.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Agreed, I too thought there was an open passing option on that play and thought, "well, can't complain, 29 yard gain".

Agree on the lateness of some of those throws. It's always been one of my complaints against him and I was looking for him to be more on-time in this game. It might be rust and not being used to the live-game speed. However, it's also something he's struggled with since 2012.

As for some of the other zone-reads I was talking about, check out 13:08 3rd quarter, 1:40 3rd quarter and :21 3rd quarter. Those were one's I saw that looked like he should've kept it. Which is why I was wondering if those are truly zone-reads. Kaep's never really struggled with the right reads on the zone-read. So, it makes me wonder if they're just designed runs with a QB action fake.

Yeah Kap is well versed in the zone read and will make the proper read most times. That's one thing Chip never had in a QB, a QB with past experience with the zone read. Even Vick never executed zone-read until he played for Chip (I think).

Here are snapshots of the mesh point for those plays you mentioned.
If Kap keeps here, there are two defenders waiting for him on the edge. Patton looks like he can block for Kap but he continues his sweep motion and was not looking to block.

Red LB is kept clean and would meet Kap on the edge. Maybe Kap beats him 1v1, but I don't think it's a sure thing.

Here's what I was looking at - endzone view.

Here's the endzone view - to me, from this angle, I say if it's a true zone read, he takes it. That's kinda the reverse of some we saw earlier with Gabs. When teh inside guy was staying at home on those zone-reads the outside runner took it.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Here was one play where I thought CK had a play to be made but bailed out a little too soon.


One thing I wanted to see was how quickly he could recognize the coverage and understand where the throw would go by trusting the concept to work. We're going to run a smash concept to the 2 receiver side and max protect. This gives only the right side of the field to defeat any type of zone coverage. It doesn't look like a typical smash, but since we motioned Torrey inside, he has to run an out instead of a curl to get a smash concept. Buf comes out with a cover 2 zone with a "spy". 3 man rush against 7 man protection.


At his dropback, CK needs to recognize the 2 deep safeties and know the corner is his key read. WIth a flat-footed drop, he needs to know, right here, that the corner route is going to be open. He can even look the underneath defender off with his eyes - though he should really look the safety to teh middle of the field. At this point, he needs to trust taht his 7 man protection will hold up to the 3 man rush. Kilgore gets pushed back a little, but he's got help and I don't think the rush would've gotten there in time to do anything before he can make this throw.


CK gets a little phantom pressure and bails out to his left. After that, the CB turns toward the corner route. But, Patton had ran a good route to turn the safety and there was an opening for corner route. The concept worked - he's just gotta trust his protection and the concept. As he rolls out, he's got no where to run with all the underneath defenders and spy, he actually has a small window to throw to Kerley but that's a tough throw, running that way and he's not able to set his feet and get enough on the throw and it falls short.

I'm hoping that as time goes on that he can get more trust in his O-line to hold up against a 3 man rush. But, he needs to recognize those coverages really fast and then just execute the play. He's got the arm talent to make this throw.

Nice breakdown. This play also occurred at a critical point in the game. First play of 4th quarter, 3rd & 8, trailing by 11. A TD here changes the complexion of the game. Smash busts Cover2 and that's exactly what happened. The pic above shows the vertical stretch on the CB and Kap needs to steer Patton towards the sidelines, away from the safety.

Here's the aforementioned overthrow to Draughn. I don't fault Ck for the overthrow, it's a tough throw. It's also hard to blame him when the guy did get open. Though, I think there was an easier option on the play.


WE're going to run a complimentary play to the Patton fly-sweep that gained 17 yards earlier in the game. From there, it turns into a mix of mills+flood concept. I really like this play.


The fly-sweep action causes a huge bite from the defense who looks like they're in cover 3 zone.


The deep safety had his hips turned and is just now trying to stop to square around. If the ball gets there at this point or just after, it'd be a simple gain after the defense bit so hard on the run fake. CK though see's the 1v1 coverage of a LB on a RB and like that match-up IF the line could've held up longer, the post would've been open - that Mills seems to get Torrey open on the post a LOT.


You see that this is just after he throws the ball - there wasn't enough time to wait for the mills concept to work and it wasn't like Draughn was way open before the pass, it's good anticipation by CK to know he's got the matchup


I've tried to highlight about where the ball was - Draughn was full outstretched and the ball was just slightly overthrown - that's a real tough throw though.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

So, here's the failed 4th down play



Notice there are 2 outside defenders and then...no one. The Bill are compressing inside on 4th and 2.


Here's at the point of the read. You see the two outside defenders are crashing in. If this were a true read-option, CK should keep the ball.


From the all-22 you can see that there wasn't anyone outside that could've stopped CK from picking up the first down. I'm more inclined to think that this was a HB dive, but if so...CHip Kelly, what were you thinking???!!!

Chip was asked about this in his press conference, I think it was supposed to be a hand off all the way. I'll quote him.

It seemed like that fourth-and-one play and then them going down to score, it was a four-point game and then they scored. When you look at the film, do you wish you might have called something different?

Answer:
"Well, you always do when you look at the film and say, 'Geeze, if I knew they were going to run a slant twist inside we would run this.' But, you don't know what they're going to do. The numbers were favorable in the run game. They had a four-two box. They had six guys. We had six guys to block six guys. They did a good job in their twist pattern. They ran an inside twist with their two inside linebackers. One of them crossed the center's face. The center went back. Our right guard didn't come as far as he should have on that play. They did a good job, but when you look at number-wise it was a six-man box versus six blockers. We should do a better job in that situation."

Originally posted by thl408:

This is Kap's first dropback of the game and it made me smh watching it live. Dropback, look around, look confused, take off scrambling. Same ol Kap. But this is why the TV broadcast doesn't tell the whole story.
Listed below are the progressions to my best guess. I might be wrong but, on this play, what I listed makes a lot of sense and Kap's head swivel jives with what's listed.
vs Cover 1 robber


As Kap executes the playfake, he's looking to Torrey's Go route. There isn't much separation there and the safety is looming overhead.


Kap then moves to the Sucker concept which is a High Low read (17 to 11). Both those routes are covered with a mess of defenders in the underneath middle of the field. It's the red defender that is the one defeating Kerley's Dig.


Kap moves to the 4th read - Vance's Corner route. The defender has outside leverage, attached to Vance's hip, and defeats the Corner.


Kap makes 4 reads then takes off. That's a good job of exhausting the play concepts. This scramble was justified.


He could have tossed over to Hyde, but if there's a scrambling lane, Kap's legs are a sufficient "checkdown". +5 yards, moves the chains. I'll try to show his other scrambles tonight.

Your right, the first 4 options were covered but Hyde was all alone. Throw to that check down and Hyde gets twice as many or more yards then Kaep

On this play we had a MAJOR bust in coverage - actually, 2...


Here, you can see we're going to run cover 3 zone and Buf is going to run a smash+flood concept.


You see Brock jumps the curl route which totally vacates the deep zone for the corner route. Also, on the other side you see Robinson squaring up instead of running with the wheel route - almost like he expects the route to simply be an out route.


You see the TE running wide open down the field and Robinson's guy has gotten behind him. If Taylor had recognized either of these sooner, it's a TD.


Somehow both of our deep 1/3 corners get beat deep. I mean....I really doubt JoN calls a defense that allows for no one to defend the outside 3rds of the field. If you just saw this screen-grab you'd think Buffalo scored on this play, lol


Because Taylor is so late on his throw and puts so much air under it, the guy actually has to make an acrobatic catch right on the sideline. It's a miracle they didn't score on this play , though they beat us for a TD on the very next play running another smash concept....

Looking forward to seeing how McCoy gashes us all game. From what I saw, the defense just sucks on every level.

Originally posted by theninermaniac:
Looking forward to seeing how McCoy gashes us all game. From what I saw, the defense just sucks on every level.

Yeah, I was goin to dedicate tomorrow to that....lucky me...

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by theninermaniac:

Looking forward to seeing how McCoy gashes us all game. From what I saw, the defense just sucks on every level.

Yeah, I was goin to dedicate tomorrow to that....lucky me...

There's gotta be a whole confluence of suck to get to 300+ yards in the NFL. Kinda gotta touch the guy before he gets 5-6 yards downfield. Also, I loved how the wildcat and unbalanced lines mesmerized us.