SAN FRANCISCO 49ers at LA RAMS - Week 16 2016

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by jcs:

I agree with everything but the bolded. Backup qbs need the mentality to be a Backup qbs I doubt he'll be that player because I think he will always see himself as a starter. Backup bridge qbs should also be more teacher and less of a distraction than he will ever be as well as be content knowing he is preparing his replacement.

Valid point. He'd probably just retire before being a good soldier the way Alex was for him.

I can't read what jcs said, but there you go questioning Kaepernick's character and as a teammate again....WHEN HE JUST f**kING SHOWED WHAT TYPE OF TEAMMATE HE WAS WITH BLAINE STARTING OVER HIM!!!!

f**k yall negative s**t...anything regarding Kaepernick...it's negative, when he's shown the opposite. Never thrown teammates or coaches under the bus....

where as Blaine Gabbert has, but of course that is ignored. And I'm sure you'll ask me when...and again I'll have to prove something I've proved before. But just shows yall don't follow this team as much as you make seem...but still choose to personally attack the character of Kaepernick..when he has shown the direct opposite.

Sorry dude. Everyone could see Kelly loved Kaepernick and more than likely, it was just a matter of time once he got healthy, that he'd start. Fortunately for him, Gabbert expedited that process.

that said, we're talking about his future. Do YOU think next year he'd be fine sitting on the sidelines helping to raise a QB?

He's massively rich fir life, has a life, has things and causes important to him to support, is 30 and healthy, has a great family, etc.

What would his motivation be to stay? It certainly wouldn't be for backup money? Right?

Pointing out Kaepernick's strengths and weaknesses, his future, his career is no need to feel the desire to rush to your keyboard to support him. Kaepernick could care less what people think about these topics...but here in NT, we do because we'll be here LONG after he's gone.

this is what you said...speaking out of your ass... then switching it up.

"He'd probably just retire before being a good soldier the way Alex was for him."

again you took a dig at Kap, in comparison to something Alex never did. Alex wasn't around Kap's first year starting.

Alex was around when Kap took over his starting job...LIKE KAEPERNICK WAS FOR BLAINE...even with the Front office banning him from the sidelines, even though other players that were put on IR were allowed to be there. And the next year, again was on the sideline supporting Blaine....thigh to thigh going over film.

but yeah go ahead and again question his character.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by jcs:
I agree with everything but the bolded. Backup qbs need the mentality to be a Backup qbs I doubt he'll be that player because I think he will always see himself as a starter. Backup bridge qbs should also be more teacher and less of a distraction than he will ever be as well as be content knowing he is preparing his replacement.

Valid point. He'd probably just retire before being a good soldier the way Alex was for him.

I can't read what jcs said, but there you go questioning Kaepernick's character and as a teammate again....WHEN HE JUST f**kING SHOWED WHAT TYPE OF TEAMMATE HE WAS WITH BLAINE STARTING OVER HIM!!!!

f**k yall negative s**t...anything regarding Kaepernick...it's negative, when he's shown the opposite. Never thrown teammates or coaches under the bus....

where as Blaine Gabbert has, but of course that is ignored. And I'm sure you'll ask me when...and again I'll have to prove something I've proved before. But just shows yall don't follow this team as much as you make seem...but still choose to personally attack the character of Kaepernick..when he has shown the direct opposite.

Sorry dude. Everyone could see Kelly loved Kaepernick and more than likely, it was just a matter of time once he got healthy, that he'd start. Fortunately for him, Gabbert expedited that process.

that said, we're talking about his future. Do YOU think next year he'd be fine sitting on the sidelines helping to raise a QB?

He's massively rich fir life, has a life, has things and causes important to him to support, is 30 and healthy, has a great family, etc.

What would his motivation be to stay? It certainly wouldn't be for backup money? Right?

Pointing out Kaepernick's strengths and weaknesses, his future, his career is no need to feel the desire to rush to your keyboard to support him. Kaepernick could care less what people think about these topics...but here in NT, we do because we'll be here LONG after he's gone.

"it's bigger than football..."

Originally posted by dj43:

"it's bigger than football..."

I wasn't going to touch that one.

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by jcs:

I agree with everything but the bolded. Backup qbs need the mentality to be a Backup qbs I doubt he'll be that player because I think he will always see himself as a starter. Backup bridge qbs should also be more teacher and less of a distraction than he will ever be as well as be content knowing he is preparing his replacement.

Valid point. He'd probably just retire before being a good soldier the way Alex was for him.

I can't read what jcs said, but there you go questioning Kaepernick's character and as a teammate again....WHEN HE JUST f**kING SHOWED WHAT TYPE OF TEAMMATE HE WAS WITH BLAINE STARTING OVER HIM!!!!

f**k yall negative s**t...anything regarding Kaepernick...it's negative, when he's shown the opposite. Never thrown teammates or coaches under the bus....

where as Blaine Gabbert has, but of course that is ignored. And I'm sure you'll ask me when...and again I'll have to prove something I've proved before. But just shows yall don't follow this team as much as you make seem...but still choose to personally attack the character of Kaepernick..when he has shown the direct opposite.

Sorry dude. Everyone could see Kelly loved Kaepernick and more than likely, it was just a matter of time once he got healthy, that he'd start. Fortunately for him, Gabbert expedited that process.

that said, we're talking about his future. Do YOU think next year he'd be fine sitting on the sidelines helping to raise a QB?

He's massively rich fir life, has a life, has things and causes important to him to support, is 30 and healthy, has a great family, etc.

What would his motivation be to stay? It certainly wouldn't be for backup money? Right?

Pointing out Kaepernick's strengths and weaknesses, his future, his career is no need to feel the desire to rush to your keyboard to support him. Kaepernick could care less what people think about these topics...but here in NT, we do because we'll be here LONG after he's gone.

this is what you said...speaking out of your ass... then switching it up.

"He'd probably just retire before being a good soldier the way Alex was for him."

again you took a dig at Kap, in comparison to something Alex never did. Alex wasn't around Kap's first year starting.

Alex was around when Kap took over his starting job...LIKE KAEPERNICK WAS FOR BLAINE...even with the Front office banning him from the sidelines, even though other players that were put on IR were allowed to be there. And the next year, again was on the sideline supporting Blaine....thigh to thigh going over film.

but yeah go ahead and again question his character.

Everyone knows Alex was benched while playing well and handled it like a pro, a man, and was a huge mentor to Kaepernick from the second he was drafted to the minute he left.

Meanwhile, Kaepernick tried to get traded, is known as aloof, Aldon, etc.

All that said, he seemed to find a bigger cause this year, talked to the team air it and grew up a bit...was humbled by lack of interest in him. I give him credit for that.

My point though, no way do I see him restructuring his contact to mentor a rookie the way Alex did tomorrow and going forward. Not now.

If he does, I'll gladly eat crow.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by jcs:

I agree with everything but the bolded. Backup qbs need the mentality to be a Backup qbs I doubt he'll be that player because I think he will always see himself as a starter. Backup bridge qbs should also be more teacher and less of a distraction than he will ever be as well as be content knowing he is preparing his replacement.

Valid point. He'd probably just retire before being a good soldier the way Alex was for him.

I can't read what jcs said, but there you go questioning Kaepernick's character and as a teammate again....WHEN HE JUST f**kING SHOWED WHAT TYPE OF TEAMMATE HE WAS WITH BLAINE STARTING OVER HIM!!!!

f**k yall negative s**t...anything regarding Kaepernick...it's negative, when he's shown the opposite. Never thrown teammates or coaches under the bus....

where as Blaine Gabbert has, but of course that is ignored. And I'm sure you'll ask me when...and again I'll have to prove something I've proved before. But just shows yall don't follow this team as much as you make seem...but still choose to personally attack the character of Kaepernick..when he has shown the direct opposite.

Sorry dude. Everyone could see Kelly loved Kaepernick and more than likely, it was just a matter of time once he got healthy, that he'd start. Fortunately for him, Gabbert expedited that process.

that said, we're talking about his future. Do YOU think next year he'd be fine sitting on the sidelines helping to raise a QB?

He's massively rich fir life, has a life, has things and causes important to him to support, is 30 and healthy, has a great family, etc.

What would his motivation be to stay? It certainly wouldn't be for backup money? Right?

Pointing out Kaepernick's strengths and weaknesses, his future, his career is no need to feel the desire to rush to your keyboard to support him. Kaepernick could care less what people think about these topics...but here in NT, we do because we'll be here LONG after he's gone.

this is what you said...speaking out of your ass... then switching it up.

"He'd probably just retire before being a good soldier the way Alex was for him."

again you took a dig at Kap, in comparison to something Alex never did. Alex wasn't around Kap's first year starting.

Alex was around when Kap took over his starting job...LIKE KAEPERNICK WAS FOR BLAINE...even with the Front office banning him from the sidelines, even though other players that were put on IR were allowed to be there. And the next year, again was on the sideline supporting Blaine....thigh to thigh going over film.

but yeah go ahead and again question his character.

Everyone knows Alex was benched while playing well and handled it like a pro, a man, and was a huge mentor to Kaepernick from the second he was drafted to the minute he left.

Meanwhile, Kaepernick tried to get traded, is known as aloof, Aldon, etc.

All that said, he seemed to find a bigger cause this year, talked to the team air it and grew up a bit...was humbled by lack of interest in him. I give him credit for that.

My point though, no way do I see him restructuring his contact to mentor a rookie the way Alex did tomorrow and going forward. Not now.

If he does, I'll gladly eat crow.

OH MY GOD!!!

DELUSIONS!

Alex restructured his contract to mentor a rookie? I'm f**king done...this is what happens when try to get down to bottom of someone's "point" or agenda. It leads to some other dimension.

Originally posted by Afrikan:

OH MY GOD!!!

DELUSIONS!

Alex restructured his contract to mentor a rookie? I'm f**king done...this is what happens when try to get down to bottom of someone's "point" or agenda. It leads to some other dimension.

Reading. Comprehension.

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by NCommand:

My point though, no way do I see him restructuring his contact to mentor a rookie the way Alex did tomorrow and going forward. Not now.

If he does, I'll gladly eat crow.

OH MY GOD!!!

DELUSIONS!

Alex restructured his contract to mentor a rookie? I'm f**king done...this is what happens when try to get down to bottom of someone's "point" or agenda. It leads to some other dimension.

Not that I agreed with NCommand on everything that he said, I at least could follow the logic of what he was saying up to the "see him restructuring his contact to mentor a rookie the way Alex did" comment. I'd like to see more explanation of that assertion. But I think you are being somewhat harsh with him on this; although I understand that sometimes patience can wear thin in extended conversations.

As I read through this I get the feeling people may mean different things when they use the term "bridge quarterback". To me a bridge quarterback is a quarterback that the team has on board to be a starter while developing a new (probably rookie) quarterback. I don't see where being a bridge quarterback would imply that a starting quarterback should accept backup quarterback pay. If the 9er management decides to try to induce Kap to stay, I can see them trying to get him to sign for less than his current contract but there is no way they should expect him to accept backup salary if it is anticipated that he will be the starter until a rookie quarterback is ready to play better than him. An exception might be if Kap tries to see what the FA market has to offer him is and all he is offered from other teams is backup salary. My guess is that his free market value will be in the $12 to $14 million range - which I guess sort of borders on the high backup/low starter range - but maybe his market value is less or possibly even more.

If a team hires Kap as a backup quarterback to a young quarterback who is expected to be the starter, then Kap will definitely have to settle for significantly less than he had on his present contract (my guess - somewhere in the $10 million range). Kap may not be amongst the very best of mentors of younger quarterbacks but based on what we've seen of him so far I think he would try to be a good teammate (while priming himself to outshine the whippersnapper if they need him to get into the game).

Originally posted by 49erphan:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by NCommand:

My point though, no way do I see him restructuring his contact to mentor a rookie the way Alex did tomorrow and going forward. Not now.

If he does, I'll gladly eat crow.

OH MY GOD!!!

DELUSIONS!

Alex restructured his contract to mentor a rookie? I'm f**king done...this is what happens when try to get down to bottom of someone's "point" or agenda. It leads to some other dimension.

Not that I agreed with NCommand on everything that he said, I at least could follow the logic of what he was saying up to the "see him restructuring his contact to mentor a rookie the way Alex did" comment. I'd like to see more explanation of that assertion. But I think you are being somewhat harsh with him on this; although I understand that sometimes patience can wear thin in extended conversations.

edited out the bottom part just to explain my tone. I hate when some lie to try to get their position on a matter across...

I mean he also said..

"Everyone knows Alex was benched while playing well and handled it like a pro, a man, and was a huge mentor to Kaepernick from the second he was drafted to the minute he left.

Meanwhile, Kaepernick tried to get traded"

wtf? ^

in relation to.

"He'd probably just retire before being a good soldier the way Alex was for him."

I mean tries to make it seem like Kap tried to get traded after he was benched..and not being a good teammate to Blaine(or any Backup QB) to support him. When that wasn't the case. And as far as asking for a trade IN THE OFFSEASON, it had nothing to do with being benched...but more so the trust, leaks, issues with Team Doctors misdiagnosing him...

But others around here swore up and down that Kap put himself on IR to screw the team...some downplayed his injuries. When infact if he waited to get his recovery process started, he DEFINITELY wouldn't have made that June 1st deadline...So eitherway what ever reason some bashed his character last year for going on IR, it was wrong eitherway.

Originally posted by 49erphan:

As I read through this I get the feeling people may mean different things when they use the term "bridge quarterback". To me a bridge quarterback is a quarterback that the team has on board to be a starter while developing a new (probably rookie) quarterback. I don't see where being a bridge quarterback would imply that a starting quarterback should accept backup quarterback pay. If the 9er management decides to try to induce Kap to stay, I can see them trying to get him to sign for less than his current contract but there is no way they should expect him to accept backup salary if it is anticipated that he will be the starter until a rookie quarterback is ready to play better than him. An exception might be if Kap tries to see what the FA market has to offer him is and all he is offered from other teams is backup salary. My guess is that his free market value will be in the $12 to $14 million range - which I guess sort of borders on the high backup/low starter range - but maybe his market value is less or possibly even more.

If a team hires Kap as a backup quarterback to a young quarterback who is expected to be the starter, then Kap will definitely have to settle for significantly less than he had on his present contract (my guess - somewhere in the $10 million range). Kap may not be amongst the very best of mentors of younger quarterbacks but based on what we've seen of him so far I think he would try to be a good teammate (while priming himself to outshine the whippersnapper if they need him to get into the game).

And yes I agree with you here.

^^^ LOL.

What I was saying was that Alex's situation, while different, is not the same path I'd expect for Kaepernick going forward at 30 years old. Alex had no choice but to deal with a 2nd round pick in Kaepernick being added to the team. That said, he WAS a GREAT soldier while he was here. He could have been a dick to Kaepernick the way Brett Farve was to Aaron Rodgers. But instead, he was a class act and Kaepernick said himself, he credited Alex a ton for helping him to get to a point of being a starter in the NFL. Alex continued mentoring him, despite losing his job, until the day he was traded. That's what I meant by "good soldier."

TODAY, I do not seeing Kaepernick taking a similar path...sort of a pay-it-forward, if you will. Not b/c he's a poor character guy, but b/c he's at the end of his career, still sees himself as a starter, probably still wants starter money, he can opt out to try to be a starter elsewhere, etc. Plus when you factor in all his other interests and causes, he's not likely to be content being a backup mentoring a young QB for the rest of his career.

I'd say he'd probably retire before he'd lose his job again...b/c he's financially secure, it was a great ride, he can get more out of life doing other causes, etc. He's not a lifer, IMHO. Some guys were quality starters and become LONG LONG term backups, become the good soldier, mentor and if they get a shot due to injury, great, if not, no worries. Those are lifers. Kaepernick is not a lifer.

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by 49erphan:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by NCommand:
My point though, no way do I see him restructuring his contact to mentor a rookie the way Alex did tomorrow and going forward. Not now.

If he does, I'll gladly eat crow.

OH MY GOD!!!

DELUSIONS!

Alex restructured his contract to mentor a rookie? I'm f**king done...this is what happens when try to get down to bottom of someone's "point" or agenda. It leads to some other dimension.

Not that I agreed with NCommand on everything that he said, I at least could follow the logic of what he was saying up to the "see him restructuring his contact to mentor a rookie the way Alex did" comment. I'd like to see more explanation of that assertion. But I think you are being somewhat harsh with him on this; although I understand that sometimes patience can wear thin in extended conversations.

edited out the bottom part just to explain my tone. I hate when some lie to try to get their position on a matter across...

I mean he also said..

"Everyone knows Alex was benched while playing well and handled it like a pro, a man, and was a huge mentor to Kaepernick from the second he was drafted to the minute he left.

Meanwhile, Kaepernick tried to get traded"

wtf? ^

in relation to.

"He'd probably just retire before being a good soldier the way Alex was for him."

I mean tries to make it seem like Kap tried to get traded after he was benched..and not being a good teammate to Blaine(or any Backup QB) to support him. When that wasn't the case. And as far as asking for a trade IN THE OFFSEASON, it had nothing to do with being benched...but more so the trust, leaks, issues with Team Doctors misdiagnosing him...

But others around here swore up and down that Kap put himself on IR to screw the team...some downplayed his injuries. When infact if he waited to get his recovery process started, he DEFINITELY wouldn't have made that June 1st deadline...So eitherway what ever reason some bashed his character last year for going on IR, it was wrong eitherway.

I understand, but you did have a LOT!!!! of capitalized letters and exclamation points!!

Originally posted by 49erphan:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by 49erphan:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by NCommand:

My point though, no way do I see him restructuring his contact to mentor a rookie the way Alex did tomorrow and going forward. Not now.

If he does, I'll gladly eat crow.

OH MY GOD!!!

DELUSIONS!

Alex restructured his contract to mentor a rookie? I'm f**king done...this is what happens when try to get down to bottom of someone's "point" or agenda. It leads to some other dimension.

Not that I agreed with NCommand on everything that he said, I at least could follow the logic of what he was saying up to the "see him restructuring his contact to mentor a rookie the way Alex did" comment. I'd like to see more explanation of that assertion. But I think you are being somewhat harsh with him on this; although I understand that sometimes patience can wear thin in extended conversations.

edited out the bottom part just to explain my tone. I hate when some lie to try to get their position on a matter across...

I mean he also said..

"Everyone knows Alex was benched while playing well and handled it like a pro, a man, and was a huge mentor to Kaepernick from the second he was drafted to the minute he left.

Meanwhile, Kaepernick tried to get traded"

wtf? ^

in relation to.

"He'd probably just retire before being a good soldier the way Alex was for him."

I mean tries to make it seem like Kap tried to get traded after he was benched..and not being a good teammate to Blaine(or any Backup QB) to support him. When that wasn't the case. And as far as asking for a trade IN THE OFFSEASON, it had nothing to do with being benched...but more so the trust, leaks, issues with Team Doctors misdiagnosing him...

But others around here swore up and down that Kap put himself on IR to screw the team...some downplayed his injuries. When infact if he waited to get his recovery process started, he DEFINITELY wouldn't have made that June 1st deadline...So eitherway what ever reason some bashed his character last year for going on IR, it was wrong eitherway.

I understand, but you did have a LOT!!!! of capitalized letters and exclamation points!!

yeah...I hate being b******ted....and now NC is backpettling from his initial words.

anyway moving on until I need to call out b******t again.

Originally posted by Afrikan:
yeah...I hate being b******ted....and now NC is backpettling from his initial words.

anyway moving on until I need to call out b******t again.

Can't read, can't spell, can't comprehend and now referring to clarified points as "b******t."

It's probably a good idea to move on.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

yeah...I hate being b******ted....and now NC is backpettling from his initial words.

anyway moving on until I need to call out b******t again.

Can't read, can't spell, can't comprehend and now referring to clarified points as "b******t."

It's probably a good idea to move on.

You're known for doing that... you say some s**t, then go back on it. I'm not the first to call you out.

Keep at it though.

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

yeah...I hate being b******ted....and now NC is backpettling from his initial words.

anyway moving on until I need to call out b******t again.

Can't read, can't spell, can't comprehend and now referring to clarified points as "b******t."

It's probably a good idea to move on.

You're known for doing that... you say some s**t, then go back on it. I'm not the first to call you out.

Keep at it though.

Just PM me if you think I'm dogging your boy. Anytime.