Kyle Shanahan's Staff

Originally posted by GMniner805:

Big difference between 38 and 36 right?? I get it I wasn't spot on there.

Harbaughs staff was light years ahead of Shanahan. Fangio was a well respected NFL defensive coordinator, Roman was actually a real running game specialist,

Fangio was so well respected that he hadnt been a defensive coordinator in years and had to resort to college to be a defensive coordinator.


Roman had been coaching at a high school in New Jersey just prior to coaching at Stanford.


Basically it comes down to:
"I dont know who any of these coaches are so they must suck, otherwise I'd know all about them!"

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by GMniner805:
Big difference between 38 and 36 right?? I get it I wasn't spot on there.

Harbaughs staff was light years ahead of Shanahan. Fangio was a well respected NFL defensive coordinator, Roman was actually a real running game specialist,

Fangio was so well respected that he hadnt been a defensive coordinator in years and had to resort to college to be a defensive coordinator.

Roman had been coaching at a high school in New Jersey just prior to coaching at Stanford.

Basically it comes down to:
"I dont know who any of these coaches are so they must suck, otherwise I'd know all about them!"

Beat me to it! LOL! Fangio became a good DC with the niners and had been a lifer fill in up until joining Harbaugh at Stanford. Donatel the same. Roman was known more as a strength guy until Stanford, and the rest of the coaches were not marque names when hired. Success makes everyone on the team look good, including the assistant coaches.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Fangio was so well respected that he hadnt been a defensive coordinator in years and had to resort to college to be a defensive coordinator.

Roman had been coaching at a high school in New Jersey just prior to coaching at Stanford.

Basically it comes down to:
"I dont know who any of these coaches are so they must suck, otherwise I'd know all about them!"

I see your point but Roman was a QB's and TE's coach in the NFL (Texans and Ravens) before he joined Harbaugh at Stanford. I don't think he ever coached in High School. He got a NFL coaching job really early as a defensive assistant in Carolina when he was 24 or 25.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by GMniner805:
Big difference between 38 and 36 right?? I get it I wasn't spot on there.

Harbaughs staff was light years ahead of Shanahan. Fangio was a well respected NFL defensive coordinator, Roman was actually a real running game specialist,

Fangio was so well respected that he hadnt been a defensive coordinator in years and had to resort to college to be a defensive coordinator.

Roman had been coaching at a high school in New Jersey just prior to coaching at Stanford.

Basically it comes down to:
"I dont know who any of these coaches are so they must suck, otherwise I'd know all about them!"

Basically you're wrong, we do know these coaches that's the problem. For the most part they are all unexperienced and have only worked under Kyle Shanahan. Thats not exactly a winning formula in the NFL.

Originally posted by GMniner805:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by GMniner805:
Big difference between 38 and 36 right?? I get it I wasn't spot on there.

Harbaughs staff was light years ahead of Shanahan. Fangio was a well respected NFL defensive coordinator, Roman was actually a real running game specialist,

Fangio was so well respected that he hadnt been a defensive coordinator in years and had to resort to college to be a defensive coordinator.

Roman had been coaching at a high school in New Jersey just prior to coaching at Stanford.

Basically it comes down to:
"I dont know who any of these coaches are so they must suck, otherwise I'd know all about them!"

Basically you're wrong, we do know these coaches that's the problem. For the most part they are all unexperienced and have only worked under Kyle Shanahan. Thats not exactly a winning formula in the NFL.

Come on now...did you read his post? Who on this staff was coaching HS before joining Shanahan? Why did Fangio not get an NFL job before agreeing to work at Stanford? Tomsula had coached successfully in Europe.

What can be a better hire than someone Shanahan worked with in the past and thought highly of? Tomsula hired well know former head coaches. How did that work out?

You can't have it both ways...either Tomsula's staff was fantastic because all those guys had succeeded to the point of getting HCing gigs, or Shanahan is great for picking young guys he knows, who are up and comers with energy and drive.

Or perhaps there are no good staffs and NE is winning because of Brady. So let's just fire the coaches and draft eight QBs every year until we find the one we like?

Originally posted by StubbyNBY:

I see your point but Roman was a QB's and TE's coach in the NFL (Texans and Ravens) before he joined Harbaugh at Stanford. I don't think he ever coached in High School. He got a NFL coaching job really early as a defensive assistant in Carolina when he was 24 or 25.

Where was Roman hired to Stanford out of? The NFL? Nope. Dude was coaching high school football at the time.

Originally posted by GMniner805:

Basically you're wrong, we do know these coaches that's the problem. For the most part they are all unexperienced and have only worked under Kyle Shanahan. Thats not exactly a winning formula in the NFL.

Basically youre talking out of your ass. If you had a single clue about these guys you'd be working in the NFL and not some random schmoe ranting on a message board,youre no more credible than and just as full of s**t as anyone else here.



Inexperienced doesn't mean bad. Every great coach was an inexperienced coach that got a shot because someone recognized their potential.


Your argument is the same as claiming that every drafted player is garbage because they have yet to reach All Pro status.


Shanahan knows these guys, has worked with them, far more than I can say for you or I. Until proven otherwise I will give him the benefit of the doubt that he knows what he is doing.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by StubbyNBY:
I see your point but Roman was a QB's and TE's coach in the NFL (Texans and Ravens) before he joined Harbaugh at Stanford. I don't think he ever coached in High School. He got a NFL coaching job really early as a defensive assistant in Carolina when he was 24 or 25.

Where was Roman hired to Stanford out of? The NFL? Nope. Dude was coaching high school football at the time.

Holy Spirit HS in Absecom NJ was his only experience as OC before SF (2008). He was not the OC at Stanford, but listed as TE and OT coach. David Shaw was Stanfords OC under Harbaugh.

Originally posted by GMniner805:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by GMniner805:

Originally posted by Ninerblood:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Cool, the reality is that you don't have the slightest clue if they are good coaches or not, you aren't in a position to know, none of us are, all we can do is hope that this turns out to be a pretty good coaching staff.

I laugh at all these posters acting like they know these guys cannot coach because they're not flashy names.

I think we have some pretty good young coaches.

You would think these armchair nobody's would have a job in the nfl with they way they claim to know it all.

I laugh at people who post what they think all the time but can never back up thier claims. Any idiot can say "i think these coaches are pretty good" well why are they pretty good??


This is what we know, the 49ers have a first time defensive coordinator 36 years old, a first time special teams coordinator & no OC to speak of. To top all that off the QB coach is coming from wagner yes wagner, with no NFL experience aside from working under Kyle Shanahan. Its an unproven rookie staff, Im not impressed at all.

OC, DC, STC are all very important in the NFL, any football fan can tell you that.

Why wont they be good? Tell us all about it, since you preach backing up your opinions? Saying "they're inexperienced" isnt an explanation. Harbaugh's staff wasnt much different in 2011.

Saleh is 38 btw, not 36.

Big difference between 38 and 36 right?? I get it I wasn't spot on there.

Harbaughs staff was light years ahead of Shanahan. Fangio was a well respected NFL defensive coordinator, Roman was actually a real running game specialist, Brad Seely is a top STC. You had Donatell coaching the secondary, Rathman coaching backs, Geep working with QBs say what you will about him, at least he had experience coaching the position in the NFL when he took the job. A lot of guys were hoping Donatell would be the DC of this staff. There is no comparison.

2 more years of experience is a difference.

So what if a lot of the staff is younger? All the vereran coaches in the NFL started somewhere. For all you know Robert Saleh is going to be a fantastic DC. Youre just making crap up based on perception. There are a lot of older, more experienced position coaches in the NFL who suck. Its not always about experience. Using your theory, Jimmy Raye should've been a fantastic OC. Much better than an inexperienced guy in his 30's, right?

Stop pretending you know these guys, or their abilities. Bill Belichick made Matt Patricia his DC when he was 37. He made Josh McDaniels his OC when he was 29. Seems like it worked out, doesn't it?

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by GMniner805:
Basically you're wrong, we do know these coaches that's the problem. For the most part they are all unexperienced and have only worked under Kyle Shanahan. Thats not exactly a winning formula in the NFL.

Basically youre talking out of your ass. If you had a single clue about these guys you'd be working in the NFL and not some random schmoe ranting on a message board,youre no more credible than and just as full of s**t as anyone else here.

Inexperienced doesn't mean bad. Every great coach was an inexperienced coach that got a shot because someone recognized their potential.

Shanahan knows these guys, has worked with them, far more than I can say for you or I. Until proven otherwise I will give him the benefit of the doubt that he knows what he is doing.

Excellent comment Phoenix!!

One of your finer retorts!!

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by StubbyNBY:
I see your point but Roman was a QB's and TE's coach in the NFL (Texans and Ravens) before he joined Harbaugh at Stanford. I don't think he ever coached in High School. He got a NFL coaching job really early as a defensive assistant in Carolina when he was 24 or 25.

Where was Roman hired to Stanford out of? The NFL? Nope. Dude was coaching high school football at the time.

Holy Spirit HS in Absecom NJ was his only experience as OC before SF (2008). He was not the OC at Stanford, but listed as TE and OT coach. David Shaw was Stanfords OC under Harbaugh.

Appreciate the facts - Thanks!

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by GMniner805:
Basically you're wrong, we do know these coaches that's the problem. For the most part they are all unexperienced and have only worked under Kyle Shanahan. Thats not exactly a winning formula in the NFL.

Basically youre talking out of your ass. If you had a single clue about these guys you'd be working in the NFL and not some random schmoe ranting on a message board,youre no more credible than and just as full of s**t as anyone else here.

Inexperienced doesn't mean bad. Every great coach was an inexperienced coach that got a shot because someone recognized their potential.

Shanahan knows these guys, has worked with them, far more than I can say for you or I. Until proven otherwise I will give him the benefit of the doubt that he knows what he is doing.

Isn't the first time this has been brought up:

"This is the NFL, it's not supposed to be a training ground for coaches," said someone who has worked with Kyle Shanahan in Washington. "It's ridiculous. Look at this staff. It sucks. Mike's best buddy is (longtime Shanahan assistant and current linebackers coach Bob Slowik), and Slowik's son is in his second year out of college and he's on the staff. Everyone on the staff is in his first or second year except for Mike and Kyle and Haslett (defensive coordinator Jim Haslett) and Raheem (Morris, the secondary coach), and everyone knows Raheem is there because he is close with Kyle. Those two go way back.

"Kyle's not that confident, so they set him up with a bunch of yes men rather than have some experienced coaches to push him. It's like Kyle is the pied piper and these kids just follow him around. I mean, Mike has been a head coach for 20 years -- usually a guy like that has a posse he can bring with him. So he's got Bobby Turner (running backs coach) here, and Slowik, and that's it. How does that happen? How does he end up hiring all of his son's buddies?

"What Mike has allowed to happen there, with that staff, there is no excuse for. There are guys on that staff who are just not qualified, and it shows up. Have you seen the quarterback develop? Look at (defensive ends Brian) Orakpo and (Ryan) Kerrigan? Are they progressing or regressing? Are you seeing the offensive lineman they drafted making it to the field?' How many players are getting the kind of NFL coaching you'd expect on that staff?"

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/kyle-shanahan-staff-inexperience-at-core-of-redskins-dysfunction/

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Appreciate the facts - Thanks!

There are times google can be our friend! LOL!

Originally posted by Jcool:

Isn't the first time this has been brought up:

"This is the NFL, it's not supposed to be a training ground for coaches," said someone who has worked with Kyle Shanahan in Washington. "It's ridiculous. Look at this staff. It sucks. Mike's best buddy is (longtime Shanahan assistant and current linebackers coach Bob Slowik), and Slowik's son is in his second year out of college and he's on the staff. Everyone on the staff is in his first or second year except for Mike and Kyle and Haslett (defensive coordinator Jim Haslett) and Raheem (Morris, the secondary coach), and everyone knows Raheem is there because he is close with Kyle. Those two go way back.

"Kyle's not that confident, so they set him up with a bunch of yes men rather than have some experienced coaches to push him. It's like Kyle is the pied piper and these kids just follow him around. I mean, Mike has been a head coach for 20 years -- usually a guy like that has a posse he can bring with him. So he's got Bobby Turner (running backs coach) here, and Slowik, and that's it. How does that happen? How does he end up hiring all of his son's buddies?

"What Mike has allowed to happen there, with that staff, there is no excuse for. There are guys on that staff who are just not qualified, and it shows up. Have you seen the quarterback develop? Look at (defensive ends Brian) Orakpo and (Ryan) Kerrigan? Are they progressing or regressing? Are you seeing the offensive lineman they drafted making it to the field?' How many players are getting the kind of NFL coaching you'd expect on that staff?"

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/kyle-shanahan-staff-inexperience-at-core-of-redskins-dysfunction/

And look how many of those guys are now still coaching in the NFL and have progressed to higher positions. McVay is even a head coach now.


For a f**king horrible coaching staff, a lot of those guys are still maintaining consistent NFL employment.

Do you guys realize we barely have chance of build a coaching staff considering the time? Do you really think Niners' could lure top tier coaches right now? Not gonna say we can even reach the 8-8 record with these coaches and roster but again is the price for waiting so long after sn assistant.

Harbaugh's staff had experience and we're the best among candidates because he had time to lure guys from pro and college ranks. You can't expect hire a coach so late in February and already have a good staff in place before Scouting Combine.

This is gonna be a tough season so you better not having high expectations before and during the season.