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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
And look how many of those guys are now still coaching in the NFL and have progressed to higher positions. McVay is even a head coach now.
For a f**king horrible coaching staff, a lot of those guys are still maintaining consistent NFL employment.
Geep Chryst still coaches in the NFL. So just sticking around doesn't make you a good coach.
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by GMniner805:
Basically you're wrong, we do know these coaches that's the problem. For the most part they are all unexperienced and have only worked under Kyle Shanahan. Thats not exactly a winning formula in the NFL.
Basically youre talking out of your ass. If you had a single clue about these guys you'd be working in the NFL and not some random schmoe ranting on a message board,youre no more credible than and just as full of s**t as anyone else here.
Inexperienced doesn't mean bad. Every great coach was an inexperienced coach that got a shot because someone recognized their potential.
Shanahan knows these guys, has worked with them, far more than I can say for you or I. Until proven otherwise I will give him the benefit of the doubt that he knows what he is doing.
Isn't the first time this has been brought up:
"This is the NFL, it's not supposed to be a training ground for coaches," said someone who has worked with Kyle Shanahan in Washington. "It's ridiculous. Look at this staff. It sucks. Mike's best buddy is (longtime Shanahan assistant and current linebackers coach Bob Slowik), and Slowik's son is in his second year out of college and he's on the staff. Everyone on the staff is in his first or second year except for Mike and Kyle and Haslett (defensive coordinator Jim Haslett) and Raheem (Morris, the secondary coach), and everyone knows Raheem is there because he is close with Kyle. Those two go way back.
"Kyle's not that confident, so they set him up with a bunch of yes men rather than have some experienced coaches to push him. It's like Kyle is the pied piper and these kids just follow him around. I mean, Mike has been a head coach for 20 years -- usually a guy like that has a posse he can bring with him. So he's got Bobby Turner (running backs coach) here, and Slowik, and that's it. How does that happen? How does he end up hiring all of his son's buddies?
"What Mike has allowed to happen there, with that staff, there is no excuse for. There are guys on that staff who are just not qualified, and it shows up. Have you seen the quarterback develop? Look at (defensive ends Brian) Orakpo and (Ryan) Kerrigan? Are they progressing or regressing? Are you seeing the offensive lineman they drafted making it to the field?' How many players are getting the kind of NFL coaching you'd expect on that staff?"
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/kyle-shanahan-staff-inexperience-at-core-of-redskins-dysfunction/
Originally posted by Jcool:Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:And look how many of those guys are now still coaching in the NFL and have progressed to higher positions. McVay is even a head coach now.
For a f**king horrible coaching staff, a lot of those guys are still maintaining consistent NFL employment.
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Yes, and this source has been proven correct by seeing how badly Kyle failed in Atlanta...oops!
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Nothing wrong with Chryst as a coach, he has a ceiling like everyone else and has no business being an OC in the NFL. On the other hand, nobody is blowing up Steve Logan's phone.
Looking at what those coaches have done in the NFL, that article is largely b******t. If the staff was as bad as claimed, the majority of those guys wouldnt consistently be getting work with various NFL coaches year after year. McVay definitely wouldnt be a 30 year old head coach.
Originally posted by Jcool:No one was blowing up Geeps number either. He was out of coaching the last two seasons.
Most of the guys from that "f**king awful" Redskins staff have.
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Yes, and this source has been proven correct by seeing how badly Kyle failed in Atlanta...oops!
Didn't go well his first year. Dan Quinn had to take Shanahan to California to meet with Matt Ryan to fix their relationship.
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Yes, and this source has been proven correct by seeing how badly Kyle failed in Atlanta...oops!
Didn't go well his first year. Dan Quinn had to take Shanahan to California to meet with Matt Ryan to fix their relationship.
Did Quin coach the offense or call offensive plays? No.
Shows that Shanahan can learn from his mistakes. This roster won't be rebuilt for 2+ years, which gives KS time to get the right assistants (as we get the right players), if the incoming guys prove incompetent.Originally posted by Jcool:Originally posted by dtg_9er:Yes, and this source has been proven correct by seeing how badly Kyle failed in Atlanta...oops!
Didn't go well his first year. Dan Quinn had to take Shanahan to California to meet with Matt Ryan to fix their relationship.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:Originally posted by GMniner805:Basically you're wrong, we do know these coaches that's the problem. For the most part they are all unexperienced and have only worked under Kyle Shanahan. Thats not exactly a winning formula in the NFL.
Basically youre talking out of your ass. If you had a single clue about these guys you'd be working in the NFL and not some random schmoe ranting on a message board,youre no more credible than and just as full of s**t as anyone else here.
Inexperienced doesn't mean bad. Every great coach was an inexperienced coach that got a shot because someone recognized their potential.
Your argument is the same as claiming that every drafted player is garbage because they have yet to reach All Pro status.
Shanahan knows these guys, has worked with them, far more than I can say for you or I. Until proven otherwise I will give him the benefit of the doubt that he knows what he is doing.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:Originally posted by GMniner805:Basically you're wrong, we do know these coaches that's the problem. For the most part they are all unexperienced and have only worked under Kyle Shanahan. Thats not exactly a winning formula in the NFL.
Basically youre talking out of your ass. If you had a single clue about these guys you'd be working in the NFL and not some random schmoe ranting on a message board,youre no more credible than and just as full of s**t as anyone else here.
Originally posted by GMniner805:Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:Originally posted by GMniner805:Basically you're wrong, we do know these coaches that's the problem. For the most part they are all unexperienced and have only worked under Kyle Shanahan. Thats not exactly a winning formula in the NFL.
Basically youre talking out of your ass. If you had a single clue about these guys you'd be working in the NFL and not some random schmoe ranting on a message board,youre no more credible than and just as full of s**t as anyone else here.
This reminds me of a quote from Braveheart "some men are longer than others"
Some men know more about football than others.