Kyle Shanahan's Staff

Originally posted by gold49digger:
Man Hyde better stay healthy, cause he's about to league the lead in rushing with the offensive staff were forming.

Originally posted by contrarios:

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Originally posted by StubbyNBY:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Alex marvez

I'm told that @49ers are finalizing -- if they haven't finished already -- hiring of John Benton as o-line coach @sn_nfl @SiriusXMNFL

Per Vincent frank

O-line coach for Faulk and Jackson in STL, three top-five run offenses in final four seasons at HOU. Helped Lamar Miller progress.

Arian Foster had some great rushing seasons in Houston behind Benton coached O-Line's....

He's very savy on teaching zone blocking. He fits the vision of what Kyle will look for in his scheme.

Who taught him the zone blocking scheme? The master himself (Alex Gibbs)? Or from someone else?

He came into the league under Mike Martz for two years, then he would go on to work eight seasons under Gary Kubiak in Houston which is where he met Kyle Shanahan. It's there where he learned/coached/mastered the outside zone scheme that Kubiak learned under Mike Shanahan. That's why I like the hire, because he's very knowledgeable of the stretch runs and outside zone scheme that will become a staple of the running game under Shanahan.

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:
He came into the league under Mike Martz for two years, then he would go on to work eight seasons under Gary Kubiak in Houston which is where he met Kyle Shanahan. It's there where he learned/coached/mastered the outside zone scheme that Kubiak learned under Mike Shanahan. That's why I like the hire, because he's very knowledgeable of the stretch runs and outside zone scheme that will become a staple of the running game under Shanahan.

Sounds wonderful to me! I wasn't feeling Kelly's scheme last year but wasn't sure if the talent matched. Hope Brown and Garnett can excel in this system.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

I really have to know why Denver let a good coach just walk? I hope this isn't one of those "I owe you one" type of deals, man we are gonna be in the hole with Elway. First he lets Peters go, now another huge addition in Benton. Good O-line coaches are very hard to find, I'm very curios with what's up. I mean, what can Lynch do for you Elway, by all means you can have Kaepernick. lol

I could be wrong but I think they made Jeff Davidson their OL coach and Benton was an assistant OL coach or something

Exactly. A team isn't going to deny a position coache's assistant the chance to become a position coach. I've never seen that happen.

Your also right, Jeff Davidson was hired in Denver. Benton was hired to be the yin to his yang. Davidson is very knowledgeable of gap schemes and man blocking. Denver envisioned Benton as a good compliment to that with his knowledge of zone blocking techniques and schemes.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

He came into the league under Mike Martz for two years, then he would go on to work eight seasons under Gary Kubiak in Houston which is where he met Kyle Shanahan. It's there where he learned/coached/mastered the outside zone scheme that Kubiak learned under Mike Shanahan. That's why I like the hire, because he's very knowledgeable of the stretch runs and outside zone scheme that will become a staple of the running game under Shanahan.

Sounds wonderful to me! I wasn't feeling Kelly's scheme last year but wasn't sure if the talent matched. Hope Brown and Garnett can excel in this system.

Every scheme has different elements of zone or gap in it but most favor one over the other. Stanford does use some zone and Garnett alluded to as much last year after being drafted and questioned about whether he could transition to a zone scheme. As far as Brown goes, your right though, typically your zone lineman are smaller and quicker. The one thing that Brown has going for him, is that he has quick feet for his size. I don't know if that'll be enough though. It will be an interesting transition to keep an eye on.

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Originally posted by contrarios:

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Originally posted by StubbyNBY:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Alex marvez

I'm told that @49ers are finalizing -- if they haven't finished already -- hiring of John Benton as o-line coach @sn_nfl @SiriusXMNFL

Per Vincent frank

O-line coach for Faulk and Jackson in STL, three top-five run offenses in final four seasons at HOU. Helped Lamar Miller progress.

Arian Foster had some great rushing seasons in Houston behind Benton coached O-Line's....

He's very savy on teaching zone blocking. He fits the vision of what Kyle will look for in his scheme.

Who taught him the zone blocking scheme? The master himself (Alex Gibbs)? Or from someone else?

He came into the league under Mike Martz for two years, then he would go on to work eight seasons under Gary Kubiak in Houston which is where he met Kyle Shanahan. It's there where he learned/coached/mastered the outside zone scheme that Kubiak learned under Mike Shanahan. That's why I like the hire, because he's very knowledgeable of the stretch runs and outside zone scheme that will become a staple of the running game under Shanahan.

Thanks! I am liking this hire!

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:
Every scheme has different elements of zone or gap in it but most favor one over the other. Stanford does use some zone and Garnett alluded to as much last year after being drafted and questioned about whether he could transition to a zone scheme. As far as Brown goes, your right though, typically your zone lineman are smaller and quicker. The one thing that Brown has going for him, is that he has quick feet for his size. I don't know if that'll be enough though. It will be an interesting transition to keep an eye on.

True. One of my complaints when Boone played for the niners is his limited ability to pull out and block on the fly. He could get out there but often just stood in the hole wondering who to hit. He did not stay low and it put him at a disadvantage against LBs and DBs who came in for the tackle. With a return to outside zone runs, stretching the field, it will be important for all the linemen to be nimble enough to not only get out but to stay low and at least shield defenders from the RB. Staley can do anything, but can everyone else? Or do they need a major rebuild?

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:
Exactly. A team isn't going to deny a position coache's assistant the chance to become a position coach. I've never seen that happen.

Your also right, Jeff Davidson was hired in Denver. Benton was hired to be the yin to his yang. Davidson is very knowledgeable of gap schemes and man blocking. Denver envisioned Benton as a good compliment to that with his knowledge of zone blocking techniques and schemes.

He also worked with Alex Gibbs and also under Joel Philbin and Doug Marrone two of the games better O-Line coaches.

Originally posted by StubbyNBY:

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Exactly. A team isn't going to deny a position coache's assistant the chance to become a position coach. I've never seen that happen.

Your also right, Jeff Davidson was hired in Denver. Benton was hired to be the yin to his yang. Davidson is very knowledgeable of gap schemes and man blocking. Denver envisioned Benton as a good compliment to that with his knowledge of zone blocking techniques and schemes.

He also worked with Alex Gibbs and also under Joel Philbin and Doug Marrone two of the games better O-Line coaches.

I forgot about Gibbs two years in Houston in 2008 and 2009.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
Half the o-line pretty much gone now. Lynch will probably have to use rounds 5-7 to get guys on the OL that fit the zone scheme.

didn't Chip run zone plays?

Pretty sure Beadles is a perfect fit for zone.

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
Half the o-line pretty much gone now. Lynch will probably have to use rounds 5-7 to get guys on the OL that fit the zone scheme.

didn't Chip run zone plays?

Pretty sure Beadles is a perfect fit for zone.

Inside Zone...very little, if any stretch-runs which is what Kyle likes to do. IZ needs power C's & G's to win 1on1 battles and then slip to the next level which is why we brought in Garnett. Stretch-runs require more quickness, technique and lateral abilities.

And yes, stretch-run IIRC, is where Beadles found the most success which makes sense b/c he's not very strong at the POA (like Kilgore) but is crafty and a technician at blocking on the move and at the second level.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Half the o-line pretty much gone now. Lynch will probably have to use rounds 5-7 to get guys on the OL that fit the zone scheme.

didn't Chip run zone plays?

Pretty sure Beadles is a perfect fit for zone.

Inside Zone...very little, if any stretch-runs which is what Kyle likes to do. IZ needs power C's & G's to win 1on1 battles and then slip to the next level which is why we brought in Garnett. Stretch-runs require more quickness, technique and lateral abilities.

And yes, stretch-run IIRC, is where Beadles found the most success which makes sense b/c he's not very strong at the POA (like Kilgore) but is crafty and a technician at blocking on the move and at the second level.

I'm worried about Garnett. I know it's early in his career, but we need to have an answer if he does not overcome his struggles.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Half the o-line pretty much gone now. Lynch will probably have to use rounds 5-7 to get guys on the OL that fit the zone scheme.

didn't Chip run zone plays?

Pretty sure Beadles is a perfect fit for zone.

Inside Zone...very little, if any stretch-runs which is what Kyle likes to do. IZ needs power C's & G's to win 1on1 battles and then slip to the next level which is why we brought in Garnett. Stretch-runs require more quickness, technique and lateral abilities.

And yes, stretch-run IIRC, is where Beadles found the most success which makes sense b/c he's not very strong at the POA (like Kilgore) but is crafty and a technician at blocking on the move and at the second level.

This. With inside zone, there is more drive blocking. On outside zone, you explained it perfectly NC, you need guys with lateral quickness that can get between the defender and the sideline.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I'm worried about Garnett. I know it's early in his career, but we need to have an answer if he does not overcome his struggles.

I am too. We didn't get to see him in stretch runs...if at all last year...maybe it's a strength, maybe it's not. And then there is the pass protection. I know OL take a few years to grow (which is why I'm always a fan of going free agency for OL) but we'll just have to see how he handles the change. We had also move him from the left side to the RG spot. I think he's more natural on the left, personally (like Tiller at RG).

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:
This. With inside zone, there is more drive blocking. On outside zone, you explained it perfectly NC, you need guys with lateral quickness that can get between the defender and the sideline.