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ninerFate
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Originally posted by 49ers_Life:
I like John Lynch. He seems to be a smart GM. I'm not sure how many decisions are actually his compared to Shannahan but he is ballsy compared to baalke. He seems to be getting better at the job every year.
How much of that is really Adam Peters as opposed to Lynch? I mainly see Lynch as the PR guy for the most part.
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YACBros85
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Originally posted by ritz126:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
if we didn't choke..all of that would have been a waste
it was more injury related
Trent Williams played with a ankle sprain(?) which he allowed like 6 pressures by far worst in career. Jimmy G literally playing with a throwing shoulder that needed surgery and despite that wew were a Tartt dropped int from winning that game
we really needed a bye week i think that week 5 early bye killed us i am so happy this year we have a later bye especially since we arent going to get a bye week going into playoffs
If Jimmy was as injured as you make it out to be than he had no business playing in that game or any of the other playoff games.
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49AllTheTime
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Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
It's funny how much fans hate to see 1st round draft picks traded even for established players. They somehow think that all the 1st rounders are going to be stars. History has proven that's not the case. About 1/3 are busts. Then those same fans rip the team for failing to find a star in the first round.
First round picks are valuable if you hit on the player because you get that extra year of a cheap contract. Since you have a 1 in 3 chance of missing, it makes more sense to get an established player. If you don't need a QB then trading the high pick for future picks or multiple picks is the way to go. There is no formula that works for every team in every case. It depends on the team needs, their salary cap situation and how old current players are. Are you drafting for right now of for the future.
Put it this way. The cost to acquire Matthew Stafford for the Rams was a 2016, 2017, 2022 and 2023 first rounder, 2 2016 2nd rounders, 2016, 2017 and 2022 3rd rounders. Ignores the first for Brandon Cooks, 2nd and 3rd for Von Miller, and the 2 firsts for Ramsay.
Does one championship make that worth it? Perhaps. But that recklessness will come back around.
if we didn't choke..all of that would have been a waste
The NFL is all about trends. One teams does something that works and everyone else starts doing it. Before free agency and the salary cap, trades in the NFL were rare. Teams valued the draft picks because that was pretty much the only way to build a team. Players stayed in school for 4 years and were much more ready to play when they entered the NFL.
Fast forward to today with the cap an dfre agency. Players leaving school early. The new agreement that slots drafted players so they are locked in with a low salary for 4 years. All those things have changed how teams view draft picks. Players that leave college early don't have as much experience and are more likely to struggle in the NFL. Look how many QBs are getting drafted in the 1st round after one successful season. Lance is just one example of that.
It's not the College QBs fault.. most college programs don't start QBs for a full 4 years anymore due to turnover and pressure from the future recruits
but.. even with the way things are now days, back then it was still hard to find a franchise QB
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Sickaa
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Originally posted by ninerFate:
Originally posted by 49ers_Life:
I like John Lynch. He seems to be a smart GM. I'm not sure how many decisions are actually his compared to Shannahan but he is ballsy compared to baalke. He seems to be getting better at the job every year.
How much of that is really Adam Peters as opposed to Lynch? I mainly see Lynch as the PR guy for the most part.
I think Lynch Is responsible for those first round picks. ( That would explain all those DL
) Peters Is most likely the one who deserves credit for those late round picks though ( especially those 5th rounders ).
Either way, It's good to see the 9ers being more aggressive with those picks and not afraid to make bold decisions as of late.
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Originally posted by YACBros85:
If Jimmy was as injured as you make it out to be than he had no business playing in that game or any of the other playoff games.
the same was with Trent Williams they dont want to miss a conference championship game but they both played and i mean it was a 1 possession game tiil the end. A heallthy Trent Williams and Jimmy and we win that game
i mean i would argue Trent Wiliams had a worse game than Jimmy G that day
over 25% of Jimmy dropback he faced pressure which is unheard off
[ Edited by ritz126 on Nov 9, 2022 at 8:55 AM ]
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YACBros85
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Originally posted by ritz126:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
If Jimmy was as injured as you make it out to be than he had no business playing in that game or any of the other playoff games.
the same was with Trent Williams they dont want to miss a conference championship game but they both played and i mean it was a 1 possession game tiil the end. A heallthy Trent Williams and Jimmy and we win that game
i mean i would argue Trent Wiliams had a worse game than Jimmy G that day
over 25% of Jimmy dropback he faced pressure which is unheard off
Sure. We can make assumptions about the end result if such and such wasn't hurt. Inspite of TW playing on 1 leg and Jimmy having an injured shoulder, we still could have won. The game really came down to a handful of missed opportunities. Those missed opportunities were not due to anything physical. They were the result of mental/visual failures.
Also, a pressure rate of 25% isn't great by any means but it isn't terrible either.
[ Edited by YACBros85 on Nov 9, 2022 at 10:27 AM ]
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ninerFate
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Originally posted by Sickaa:
Originally posted by ninerFate:
Originally posted by 49ers_Life:
I like John Lynch. He seems to be a smart GM. I'm not sure how many decisions are actually his compared to Shannahan but he is ballsy compared to baalke. He seems to be getting better at the job every year.
How much of that is really Adam Peters as opposed to Lynch? I mainly see Lynch as the PR guy for the most part.
I think Lynch Is responsible for those first round picks. ( That would explain all those DL ) Peters Is most likely the one who deserves credit for those late round picks though ( especially those 5th rounders ).
Either way, It's good to see the 9ers being more aggressive with those picks and not afraid to make bold decisions as of late.
Kyle also has a TON of input on these decisions as well. IMO I think he has too much, though I won't complain about the overall results considering the roster he took over.
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NCommand
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Lynch, esp. this year, has had Peters front and center in a number of draft related press conferences and interviews. I think he's grooming his public image and speaking in preparation for his departure. Maybe next year or the year after. Or maybe a promotion to President.
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49AllTheTime
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Lynch, esp. this year, has had Peters front and center in a number of draft related press conferences and interviews. I think he's grooming his public image and speaking in preparation for his departure. Maybe next year or the year after. Or maybe a promotion to President.
or trying to keep peters here
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NCommand
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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Lynch, esp. this year, has had Peters front and center in a number of draft related press conferences and interviews. I think he's grooming his public image and speaking in preparation for his departure. Maybe next year or the year after. Or maybe a promotion to President.
or trying to keep peters here
He did get a promotion too so maybe that public speaking is now part of that role too.
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I can't give Lynch/Shanahan and this FO enough credit for how well they've built this team. The trades, FA pickups, draft picks. Without a doubt the most talented roster in the league. Just to name a few:
Tent Williams - for a 3rd and 5th round pick!!!!!
Jimmy G
Omenihu
CMC
Drafting/UDFA:
Kittle, Bosa, Warner, Deebo, Aiyuk, Banks, Burferd, Hufunga, E Mosley, Lenoir, Greenlaw, Aziz, Wilson, Jackson, Mitchell etc etc
FA signings:
Juice, Eubukam, Mooney Ward, Gibson etc
I'm sure I missed a bunch more cus it's hard to keep track. Just studs all over that fit our offensive/defensive schemes to a T… being a lifelong fan and going through some absolutely brutal years of terrible rosters in the 2000's it's really exciting watching this team and being a fan. And the best part is we are young, relatively good in terms of cap space considering all our talent, and aren't depleted of draft picks for the next several years like some teams ie Rams etc. Major major props to the FO and coaching staff developing guys and being on the same page.
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Lynch, esp. this year, has had Peters front and center in a number of draft related press conferences and interviews. I think he's grooming his public image and speaking in preparation for his departure. Maybe next year or the year after. Or maybe a promotion to President.
The league did add some new rules that require the team to make guys at Adam Peters level available to the media a few times a year.
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The below from Lynch on Jimmy:
"I think in a week of Thanksgiving, I'm extremely thankful for him and for the way he's always handled things, from the time that we traded for him (in 2017) to right now," Lynch told KNBR's Markus Boucher and Marcus Thompson this morning. "Yeah, there were a lot of twists and turns. Thank goodness that we saw fit to reach out to Jimmy, and that Jimmy really liked it here, and kind of put his pride aside and said, 'OK, let's do this. I'll stay in a backup capacity,' at the beginning of the year."
"I think Jimmy's got a lot of confidence in his abilities and thought that at some point this year, he was going to have an opportunity," Lynch continued. "And he got that when Trey got hurt, and he hasn't looked back. He had a stretch right when he got here (in 2017) that was pretty darn good, where he was lights-out, but I think [this is his] best period of extended play. And you're seeing it in all facets of his play—his poise in the pocket, his command of our offense."
"The part I love is he's making a lot of second-reaction plays where the play is extended. He's making plays. You saw the one to Kittle the other day where he stepped up in the pocket, found him behind the coverage."
"So I think you're seeing that element of his play, and it looks to me like a guy—we've always known he's extremely talented—but just very comfortable in his own skin, feeling his abilities, trusting his teammates, and as a result, playing really, really good football. We're very grateful for him, and it's awesome to have him."
Regarding Lynch, I'm thankful he's this team's GM as a true "football guy" who I was fortunate enough to watch play in college & the NFL (and now hear a lot here in the Bay Area talking football & the Niners).
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John Lynch has done a amazing job. He is a way better GM than most guys in the league. This roster is so damn talented. The thing is that's different with Baalke is that our drafts and Free agents seem to be getting better as opposed to declining.
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Originally posted by 49ers_Life:
John Lynch has done a amazing job. He is a way better GM than most guys in the league. This roster is so damn talented. The thing is that's different with Baalke is that our drafts and Free agents seem to be getting better as opposed to declining.
When draft picks and FA's are getting better and not worse, that is a testament to great coaching.