John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I'm getting excited for the new season. After another off season, I feel like we're still a top 5-7 (playoff) roster and #1 in (proven) depth.

If we get some injury 'luck' this year, Wilks gets the secondary playing at an even higher level than last year going into the playoffs, the DL preserves leads and closes games out, the OL takes another step forward and Brock/Trey play at a consistently high efficient level, Kyle should have no issues game planning and staying in rhythm. Like last year, we've got a legit shot.

Who are the other teams and their players you have ahead of them with more top shelf talent and a better roster?

I think there are a few teams that are more top heavy at the key positions: QB, OL, WR, Secondary. We're more top heavy at DL, LB, TE, etc.

But there's not a big gap between 1 and 10 either.

If we are looking at being top heavy at key/marque positions, minus QB, niners are right there with anyone coupled with being pretty balanced. If we are going by key positions, guys being the best at their position, or one of the best in the league, and just overall superstars I'd do this. Not even including guys like Ward, AA, Greenlaw, Ayiuk, Juice. I will add Huff because he made 1st team all pro. If you have time pick a team you think is more too heavy and we can match them.

LT-Williams
TE-Kittle
WR-Deebo
RB-CMC
DE-Bosa
MLB-Warner
SS-Huff
DT-Hargrave

We do have a number of top notch players. No doubt about that.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I'm getting excited for the new season. After another off season, I feel like we're still a top 5-7 (playoff) roster and #1 in (proven) depth.

If we get some injury 'luck' this year, Wilks gets the secondary playing at an even higher level than last year going into the playoffs, the DL preserves leads and closes games out, the OL takes another step forward and Brock/Trey play at a consistently high efficient level, Kyle should have no issues game planning and staying in rhythm. Like last year, we've got a legit shot.

Who are the other teams and their players you have ahead of them with more top shelf talent and a better roster?

I think there are a few teams that are more top heavy at the key positions: QB, OL, WR, Secondary. We're more top heavy at DL, LB, TE, etc.

But there's not a big gap between 1 and 10 either.

If we are looking at being top heavy at key/marque positions, minus QB, niners are right there with anyone coupled with being pretty balanced. If we are going by key positions, guys being the best at their position, or one of the best in the league, and just overall superstars I'd do this. Not even including guys like Ward, AA, Greenlaw, Ayiuk, Juice. I will add Huff because he made 1st team all pro. If you have time pick a team you think is more too heavy and we can match them.

LT-Williams
TE-Kittle
WR-Deebo
RB-CMC
DE-Bosa
MLB-Warner
SS-Huff
DT-Hargrave

We do have a number of top notch players. No doubt about that.

Yeah, but in your opinion which team counters that and which players? I have compiled a few lists, but curious what you think.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I'm getting excited for the new season. After another off season, I feel like we're still a top 5-7 (playoff) roster and #1 in (proven) depth.

If we get some injury 'luck' this year, Wilks gets the secondary playing at an even higher level than last year going into the playoffs, the DL preserves leads and closes games out, the OL takes another step forward and Brock/Trey play at a consistently high efficient level, Kyle should have no issues game planning and staying in rhythm. Like last year, we've got a legit shot.

Who are the other teams and their players you have ahead of them with more top shelf talent and a better roster?

I think there are a few teams that are more top heavy at the key positions: QB, OL, WR, Secondary. We're more top heavy at DL, LB, TE, etc.

But there's not a big gap between 1 and 10 either.

If we are looking at being top heavy at key/marque positions, minus QB, niners are right there with anyone coupled with being pretty balanced. If we are going by key positions, guys being the best at their position, or one of the best in the league, and just overall superstars I'd do this. Not even including guys like Ward, AA, Greenlaw, Ayiuk, Juice. I will add Huff because he made 1st team all pro. If you have time pick a team you think is more too heavy and we can match them.

LT-Williams
TE-Kittle
WR-Deebo
RB-CMC
DE-Bosa
MLB-Warner
SS-Huff
DT-Hargrave

We do have a number of top notch players. No doubt about that.

Yeah, but in your opinion which team counters that and which players? I have compiled a few lists, but curious what you think.

I typically don't look at individual all-pro's or pro bowlers (except QB) but units that matter to win Superbowls. We know the teams with the best QB's. But for me, it's a passing league so then I go next to the OL, WR groups and then pass rush and coverage. There are a number of teams who have stronger units in those areas than us and collectively, are more top heavy with better odds to win it all barring health.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I'm getting excited for the new season. After another off season, I feel like we're still a top 5-7 (playoff) roster and #1 in (proven) depth.

If we get some injury 'luck' this year, Wilks gets the secondary playing at an even higher level than last year going into the playoffs, the DL preserves leads and closes games out, the OL takes another step forward and Brock/Trey play at a consistently high efficient level, Kyle should have no issues game planning and staying in rhythm. Like last year, we've got a legit shot.

Who are the other teams and their players you have ahead of them with more top shelf talent and a better roster?

I think there are a few teams that are more top heavy at the key positions: QB, OL, WR, Secondary. We're more top heavy at DL, LB, TE, etc.

But there's not a big gap between 1 and 10 either.

If we are looking at being top heavy at key/marque positions, minus QB, niners are right there with anyone coupled with being pretty balanced. If we are going by key positions, guys being the best at their position, or one of the best in the league, and just overall superstars I'd do this. Not even including guys like Ward, AA, Greenlaw, Ayiuk, Juice. I will add Huff because he made 1st team all pro. If you have time pick a team you think is more too heavy and we can match them.

LT-Williams
TE-Kittle
WR-Deebo
RB-CMC
DE-Bosa
MLB-Warner
SS-Huff
DT-Hargrave

We do have a number of top notch players. No doubt about that.

Yeah, but in your opinion which team counters that and which players? I have compiled a few lists, but curious what you think.

I typically don't look at individual all-pro's or pro bowlers (except QB) but units that matter to win Superbowls. We know the teams with the best QB's. But for me, it's a passing league so then I go next to the OL, WR groups and then pass rush and coverage. There are a number of teams who have stronger units in those areas than us and collectively, are more top heavy with better odds to win it all barring health.

Ok, but who? For D the niners have game changers at all 3 levels surrounded by excellent complimentary pieces ar each level as well. On offense they have game changers at RB, WR and TE and the best LT in football on an OL that graded out excellent last year. Just trying to understand who the units are if you aren't basing this off of individual players

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I'm getting excited for the new season. After another off season, I feel like we're still a top 5-7 (playoff) roster and #1 in (proven) depth.

If we get some injury 'luck' this year, Wilks gets the secondary playing at an even higher level than last year going into the playoffs, the DL preserves leads and closes games out, the OL takes another step forward and Brock/Trey play at a consistently high efficient level, Kyle should have no issues game planning and staying in rhythm. Like last year, we've got a legit shot.

Who are the other teams and their players you have ahead of them with more top shelf talent and a better roster?

I think there are a few teams that are more top heavy at the key positions: QB, OL, WR, Secondary. We're more top heavy at DL, LB, TE, etc.

But there's not a big gap between 1 and 10 either.

If we are looking at being top heavy at key/marque positions, minus QB, niners are right there with anyone coupled with being pretty balanced. If we are going by key positions, guys being the best at their position, or one of the best in the league, and just overall superstars I'd do this. Not even including guys like Ward, AA, Greenlaw, Ayiuk, Juice. I will add Huff because he made 1st team all pro. If you have time pick a team you think is more too heavy and we can match them.

LT-Williams
TE-Kittle
WR-Deebo
RB-CMC
DE-Bosa
MLB-Warner
SS-Huff
DT-Hargrave

We do have a number of top notch players. No doubt about that.

Yeah, but in your opinion which team counters that and which players? I have compiled a few lists, but curious what you think.

I typically don't look at individual all-pro's or pro bowlers (except QB) but units that matter to win Superbowls. We know the teams with the best QB's. But for me, it's a passing league so then I go next to the OL, WR groups and then pass rush and coverage. There are a number of teams who have stronger units in those areas than us and collectively, are more top heavy with better odds to win it all barring health.

Ok, but who? For D the niners have game changers at all 3 levels surrounded by excellent complimentary pieces ar each level as well. On offense they have game changers at RB, WR and TE and the best LT in football on an OL that graded out excellent last year. Just trying to understand who the units are if you aren't basing this off of it not the individual players

Who are the 4 teams that collectively might be stronger than us in today's game at the positions that matter most in the end? Chiefs, Eagles, Bills, Bengals and look out for the Ravens, Cowboys, Miami, Chargers, Seattle and Detroit. We're right in that mix IMHO and more veterans will be picked up soon in this final wave and there might be some good ones (pass rushers). This is just to start.

What was your list?

Now, if Brock ends up healthy and playing like he did last year, then I think we're in that upper level. But right now, we have questions at QB and OL and that's enough to drop it down a tier, IMHO.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I'm getting excited for the new season. After another off season, I feel like we're still a top 5-7 (playoff) roster and #1 in (proven) depth.

If we get some injury 'luck' this year, Wilks gets the secondary playing at an even higher level than last year going into the playoffs, the DL preserves leads and closes games out, the OL takes another step forward and Brock/Trey play at a consistently high efficient level, Kyle should have no issues game planning and staying in rhythm. Like last year, we've got a legit shot.

Who are the other teams and their players you have ahead of them with more top shelf talent and a better roster?

I think there are a few teams that are more top heavy at the key positions: QB, OL, WR, Secondary. We're more top heavy at DL, LB, TE, etc.

But there's not a big gap between 1 and 10 either.

If we are looking at being top heavy at key/marque positions, minus QB, niners are right there with anyone coupled with being pretty balanced. If we are going by key positions, guys being the best at their position, or one of the best in the league, and just overall superstars I'd do this. Not even including guys like Ward, AA, Greenlaw, Ayiuk, Juice. I will add Huff because he made 1st team all pro. If you have time pick a team you think is more too heavy and we can match them.

LT-Williams
TE-Kittle
WR-Deebo
RB-CMC
DE-Bosa
MLB-Warner
SS-Huff
DT-Hargrave

We do have a number of top notch players. No doubt about that.

Yeah, but in your opinion which team counters that and which players? I have compiled a few lists, but curious what you think.

I typically don't look at individual all-pro's or pro bowlers (except QB) but units that matter to win Superbowls. We know the teams with the best QB's. But for me, it's a passing league so then I go next to the OL, WR groups and then pass rush and coverage. There are a number of teams who have stronger units in those areas than us and collectively, are more top heavy with better odds to win it all barring health.

Ok, but who? For D the niners have game changers at all 3 levels surrounded by excellent complimentary pieces ar each level as well. On offense they have game changers at RB, WR and TE and the best LT in football on an OL that graded out excellent last year. Just trying to understand who the units are if you aren't basing this off of it not the individual players

Who are the 4 teams that collectively might be stronger than us in today's game at the positions that matter most in the end? Chiefs, Eagles, Bills, Bengals and look out for the Ravens, Cowboys, Miami, Chargers, Seattle and Detroit. We're right in that mix IMHO and more veterans will be picked up soon in this final wave and there might be some good ones (pass rushers). This is just to start.

What was your list?

Now, if Brock ends up healthy and playing like he did last year, then I think we're in that upper level. But right now, we have questions at QB and OL and that's enough to drop it down a tier, IMHO.

Sure KC, but in reality they have a better OL and still have the better QB. All other units no.
PHI, absolutely. They were/are stacked and they also just hemorrhaged a bunch of talent this offseason including their all pro DT to the niners.
those other teams you named, if we are now using using unit production as the barometer, don't align with what you laid out above….minus BUF..but even there the metrics show it's a wash for the most part and the niners still have better top talent top to bottom

This team from top to bottom is a top 5 roster, teams like KC, CIN, BUF, & PHI would be right there. Just my opinion though.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I'm getting excited for the new season. After another off season, I feel like we're still a top 5-7 (playoff) roster and #1 in (proven) depth.

If we get some injury 'luck' this year, Wilks gets the secondary playing at an even higher level than last year going into the playoffs, the DL preserves leads and closes games out, the OL takes another step forward and Brock/Trey play at a consistently high efficient level, Kyle should have no issues game planning and staying in rhythm. Like last year, we've got a legit shot.

Who are the other teams and their players you have ahead of them with more top shelf talent and a better roster?

I think there are a few teams that are more top heavy at the key positions: QB, OL, WR, Secondary. We're more top heavy at DL, LB, TE, etc.

But there's not a big gap between 1 and 10 either.

If we are looking at being top heavy at key/marque positions, minus QB, niners are right there with anyone coupled with being pretty balanced. If we are going by key positions, guys being the best at their position, or one of the best in the league, and just overall superstars I'd do this. Not even including guys like Ward, AA, Greenlaw, Ayiuk, Juice. I will add Huff because he made 1st team all pro. If you have time pick a team you think is more too heavy and we can match them.

LT-Williams
TE-Kittle
WR-Deebo
RB-CMC
DE-Bosa
MLB-Warner
SS-Huff
DT-Hargrave

We do have a number of top notch players. No doubt about that.

Yeah, but in your opinion which team counters that and which players? I have compiled a few lists, but curious what you think.

I typically don't look at individual all-pro's or pro bowlers (except QB) but units that matter to win Superbowls. We know the teams with the best QB's. But for me, it's a passing league so then I go next to the OL, WR groups and then pass rush and coverage. There are a number of teams who have stronger units in those areas than us and collectively, are more top heavy with better odds to win it all barring health.

Ok, but who? For D the niners have game changers at all 3 levels surrounded by excellent complimentary pieces ar each level as well. On offense they have game changers at RB, WR and TE and the best LT in football on an OL that graded out excellent last year. Just trying to understand who the units are if you aren't basing this off of it not the individual players

Who are the 4 teams that collectively might be stronger than us in today's game at the positions that matter most in the end? Chiefs, Eagles, Bills, Bengals and look out for the Ravens, Cowboys, Miami, Chargers, Seattle and Detroit. We're right in that mix IMHO and more veterans will be picked up soon in this final wave and there might be some good ones (pass rushers). This is just to start.

What was your list?

Now, if Brock ends up healthy and playing like he did last year, then I think we're in that upper level. But right now, we have questions at QB and OL and that's enough to drop it down a tier, IMHO.

I love ya NC, but Detroit? I know they have some good players, but QB isn't the best, Goff is ok, above average, I need to see more than 1 yr from him playing like he did, same with Brock or Trey or Sam.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
This team from top to bottom is a top 5 roster, teams like KC, CIN, BUF, & PHI would be right there. Just my opinion though.

I start it looking at the NFC; SEA may be the best non SF team
boy I was laughing at them a year ago, but that Russ trade was just a thing of beauty

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I'm getting excited for the new season. After another off season, I feel like we're still a top 5-7 (playoff) roster and #1 in (proven) depth.

If we get some injury 'luck' this year, Wilks gets the secondary playing at an even higher level than last year going into the playoffs, the DL preserves leads and closes games out, the OL takes another step forward and Brock/Trey play at a consistently high efficient level, Kyle should have no issues game planning and staying in rhythm. Like last year, we've got a legit shot.

Who are the other teams and their players you have ahead of them with more top shelf talent and a better roster?

I think there are a few teams that are more top heavy at the key positions: QB, OL, WR, Secondary. We're more top heavy at DL, LB, TE, etc.

But there's not a big gap between 1 and 10 either.

If we are looking at being top heavy at key/marque positions, minus QB, niners are right there with anyone coupled with being pretty balanced. If we are going by key positions, guys being the best at their position, or one of the best in the league, and just overall superstars I'd do this. Not even including guys like Ward, AA, Greenlaw, Ayiuk, Juice. I will add Huff because he made 1st team all pro. If you have time pick a team you think is more too heavy and we can match them.

LT-Williams
TE-Kittle
WR-Deebo
RB-CMC
DE-Bosa
MLB-Warner
SS-Huff
DT-Hargrave

We do have a number of top notch players. No doubt about that.

Yeah, but in your opinion which team counters that and which players? I have compiled a few lists, but curious what you think.

I typically don't look at individual all-pro's or pro bowlers (except QB) but units that matter to win Superbowls. We know the teams with the best QB's. But for me, it's a passing league so then I go next to the OL, WR groups and then pass rush and coverage. There are a number of teams who have stronger units in those areas than us and collectively, are more top heavy with better odds to win it all barring health.

Ok, but who? For D the niners have game changers at all 3 levels surrounded by excellent complimentary pieces ar each level as well. On offense they have game changers at RB, WR and TE and the best LT in football on an OL that graded out excellent last year. Just trying to understand who the units are if you aren't basing this off of it not the individual players

Who are the 4 teams that collectively might be stronger than us in today's game at the positions that matter most in the end? Chiefs, Eagles, Bills, Bengals and look out for the Ravens, Cowboys, Miami, Chargers, Seattle and Detroit. We're right in that mix IMHO and more veterans will be picked up soon in this final wave and there might be some good ones (pass rushers). This is just to start.

What was your list?

Now, if Brock ends up healthy and playing like he did last year, then I think we're in that upper level. But right now, we have questions at QB and OL and that's enough to drop it down a tier, IMHO.

Sure KC, but in reality they have a better OL and still have the better QB. All other units no.
PHI, absolutely. They were/are stacked and they also just hemorrhaged a bunch of talent this offseason including their all pro DT to the niners.
those other teams you named, if we are now using using unit production as the barometer, don't align with what you laid out above….minus BUF..but even there the metrics show it's a wash for the most part and the niners still have better top talent top to bottom

Yeah, I didn't exactly sit down and hard line every roster, player and unit here. I kind of feel like even some of the ones ahead of us also lost a little too.

You can make the argument we have the best. I won't argue. I just need to see the QB and OL against the playoff teams (which we will) before I do. And I'd expect the defense to take a step back before Wilks and the secondary get in rhythm but by playoffs...game on! I think they could be even better than they were in that Dallas playoff win where they closed it out FTW.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I'm getting excited for the new season. After another off season, I feel like we're still a top 5-7 (playoff) roster and #1 in (proven) depth.

If we get some injury 'luck' this year, Wilks gets the secondary playing at an even higher level than last year going into the playoffs, the DL preserves leads and closes games out, the OL takes another step forward and Brock/Trey play at a consistently high efficient level, Kyle should have no issues game planning and staying in rhythm. Like last year, we've got a legit shot.

Who are the other teams and their players you have ahead of them with more top shelf talent and a better roster?

I think there are a few teams that are more top heavy at the key positions: QB, OL, WR, Secondary. We're more top heavy at DL, LB, TE, etc.

But there's not a big gap between 1 and 10 either.

If we are looking at being top heavy at key/marque positions, minus QB, niners are right there with anyone coupled with being pretty balanced. If we are going by key positions, guys being the best at their position, or one of the best in the league, and just overall superstars I'd do this. Not even including guys like Ward, AA, Greenlaw, Ayiuk, Juice. I will add Huff because he made 1st team all pro. If you have time pick a team you think is more too heavy and we can match them.

LT-Williams
TE-Kittle
WR-Deebo
RB-CMC
DE-Bosa
MLB-Warner
SS-Huff
DT-Hargrave

We do have a number of top notch players. No doubt about that.

Yeah, but in your opinion which team counters that and which players? I have compiled a few lists, but curious what you think.

I typically don't look at individual all-pro's or pro bowlers (except QB) but units that matter to win Superbowls. We know the teams with the best QB's. But for me, it's a passing league so then I go next to the OL, WR groups and then pass rush and coverage. There are a number of teams who have stronger units in those areas than us and collectively, are more top heavy with better odds to win it all barring health.

Ok, but who? For D the niners have game changers at all 3 levels surrounded by excellent complimentary pieces ar each level as well. On offense they have game changers at RB, WR and TE and the best LT in football on an OL that graded out excellent last year. Just trying to understand who the units are if you aren't basing this off of it not the individual players

Who are the 4 teams that collectively might be stronger than us in today's game at the positions that matter most in the end? Chiefs, Eagles, Bills, Bengals and look out for the Ravens, Cowboys, Miami, Chargers, Seattle and Detroit. We're right in that mix IMHO and more veterans will be picked up soon in this final wave and there might be some good ones (pass rushers). This is just to start.

What was your list?

Now, if Brock ends up healthy and playing like he did last year, then I think we're in that upper level. But right now, we have questions at QB and OL and that's enough to drop it down a tier, IMHO.

I love ya NC, but Detroit? I know they have some good players, but QB isn't the best, Goff is ok, above average, I need to see more than 1 yr from him playing like he did, same with Brock or Trey or Sam.

Goff had a very slow start but he was playing some good ball especially towards the end. But honestly, I'm more talking their entire roster more than any one person. They've got some legit talent and it wouldn't surprise me if they made some noise. But they're still at the lower end of that bucket to start for me.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
This team from top to bottom is a top 5 roster, teams like KC, CIN, BUF, & PHI would be right there. Just my opinion though.

I start it looking at the NFC; SEA may be the best non SF team
boy I was laughing at them a year ago, but that Russ trade was just a thing of beauty

This is no joke. They've really done well and this draft looks very nice like last year. It's weird watching them emphasize the OL more too. If they shore up the run defense, they'll be a tough out for sure. And I hate saying that!

Originally posted by NCommand:
Goff had a very slow start but he was playing some good ball especially towards the end. But honestly, I'm more talking their entire roster more than any one person. They've got some legit talent and it wouldn't surprise me if they made some noise. But they're still at the lower end of that bucket to start for me.

Frelund has it like this (in NFC)

PHI
SF
DET-DAL

DET has to get the D right, they won't be a serious contender unless that happens

I think ppl are sleeping on GB if Love is a real player, which he may be

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Goff had a very slow start but he was playing some good ball especially towards the end. But honestly, I'm more talking their entire roster more than any one person. They've got some legit talent and it wouldn't surprise me if they made some noise. But they're still at the lower end of that bucket to start for me.

Frelund has it like this (in NFC)

PHI
SF
DET-DAL

DET has to get the D right, they won't be a serious contender unless that happens

I think ppl are sleeping on GB if Love is a real player, which he may be

I could buy that for sure esp. the point about their defense. That really killed them.

GB? Man, that's a tough one. They do have talent all around though.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, I didn't exactly sit down and hard line every roster, player and unit here. I kind of feel like even some of the ones ahead of us also lost a little too.

You can make the argument we have the best. I won't argue. I just need to see the QB and OL against the playoff teams (which we will) before I do. And I'd expect the defense to take a step back before Wilks and the secondary get in rhythm but by playoffs...game on! I think they could be even better than they were in that Dallas playoff win where they closed it out FTW.