John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
We have the best roster in football, but you can't have star players in every position. Somethings have to give.

The team chose to prioritize resources in offensive skill positions, LT, and Defensive front 6. If you want a tier 1 OL, then which positions are you willing to throw less resources at?

Skill positions? Let Aiyuk walk? Trade CMC, Kittle, and or Deebo?

How about defensive front 6? Trade Bosa, Warner, or Hargreaves? Let Chase Young walk?

You tell me what you want that is realistic.

The draft is the great equalizer. Its where you can find quality OL on the cheap. Its how the Eagles have been able to have excellent OL's, they've done a good job drafting them. What the 49ers need to do is simply stop wasting so many draft picks. Trey Sermon, TDP, Danny Gray and now Cameron Latu who looked like he was in no way ready to play on an NFL roster before he ended up on IR. You gotta get more output of the middle rounds, especially once you start paying Purdy the real big money.

Over the last 7 years, this team has arguably been the best in the league in terms building the roster. If your answer is to just do it even better. Ok. But I don't consider that to be a real realistic answer. A realistic answer has to be prioritize the OL and less on other positions. Which other positions can you throw less resources at. That is the real question.

You can certainly play the hindsight game and look at all the steals in the draft and conclude if we drafted all of them we would be great. That is not realistic to me.

The Eagles example doesn't work IMO because I would argue we have a more talented roster overall. It certainly doesn't seem like they throw as much resources at the offensive skill positions, LBs, and DBs compared to us. So at the end of the day it is the same question. Which other positions do you want to throw resources at?

Feels weird:
--- Trent Williams: Trade Acquisition
--- Aaron Banks: 2nd Round Pick
--- Jake Brendel: Free Agent
--- Spencer Burford: 4th Round Pick
--- Colton McKivitz: 5th Round Pick

Moore (5th round), Zakelj (6th round).
In the past, we paid big money to acquire Weston Richburg and signed Alex Mack.

Our offensive line acquisitions don't feel like a priority and almost feels patchwork, in a way. I think part of it is, obviously, it's not our top priority. But secondly, I think Shanahan prefers very specific things from offensive linemen in the zone run game, so that kind of forces us to look for very specific linemen.

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
We have the best roster in football, but you can't have star players in every position. Somethings have to give.

The team chose to prioritize resources in offensive skill positions, LT, and Defensive front 6. If you want a tier 1 OL, then which positions are you willing to throw less resources at?

Skill positions? Let Aiyuk walk? Trade CMC, Kittle, and or Deebo?

How about defensive front 6? Trade Bosa, Warner, or Hargreaves? Let Chase Young walk?

You tell me what you want that is realistic.

The draft is the great equalizer. Its where you can find quality OL on the cheap. Its how the Eagles have been able to have excellent OL's, they've done a good job drafting them. What the 49ers need to do is simply stop wasting so many draft picks. Trey Sermon, TDP, Danny Gray and now Cameron Latu who looked like he was in no way ready to play on an NFL roster before he ended up on IR. You gotta get more output of the middle rounds, especially once you start paying Purdy the real big money.

Over the last 7 years, this team has arguably been the best in the league in terms building the roster. If your answer is to just do it even better. Ok. But I don't consider that to be a real realistic answer. A realistic answer has to be prioritize the OL and less on other positions. Which other positions can you throw less resources at. That is the real question.

You can certainly play the hindsight game and look at all the steals in the draft and conclude if we drafted all of them we would be great. That is not realistic to me.

The Eagles example doesn't work IMO because I would argue we have a more talented roster overall. It certainly doesn't seem like they throw as much resources at the offensive skill positions, LBs, and DBs compared to us. So at the end of the day it is the same question. Which other positions do you want to throw resources at?

Feels weird:
--- Trent Williams: Trade Acquisition
--- Aaron Banks: 2nd Round Pick
--- Jake Brendel: Free Agent
--- Spencer Burford: 4th Round Pick
--- Colton McKivitz: 5th Round Pick

Moore (5th round), Zakelj (6th round).
In the past, we paid big money to acquire Weston Richburg and signed Alex Mack.

Our offensive line acquisitions don't feel like a priority and almost feels patchwork, in a way. I think part of it is, obviously, it's not our top priority. But secondly, I think Shanahan prefers very specific things from offensive linemen in the zone run game, so that kind of forces us to look for very specific linemen.

Besides KC, Name another OL that has made it to one SB and 3 NFCCGs in the last four years

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
We have the best roster in football, but you can't have star players in every position. Somethings have to give.

The team chose to prioritize resources in offensive skill positions, LT, and Defensive front 6. If you want a tier 1 OL, then which positions are you willing to throw less resources at?

Skill positions? Let Aiyuk walk? Trade CMC, Kittle, and or Deebo?

How about defensive front 6? Trade Bosa, Warner, or Hargreaves? Let Chase Young walk?

You tell me what you want that is realistic.

The draft is the great equalizer. Its where you can find quality OL on the cheap. Its how the Eagles have been able to have excellent OL's, they've done a good job drafting them. What the 49ers need to do is simply stop wasting so many draft picks. Trey Sermon, TDP, Danny Gray and now Cameron Latu who looked like he was in no way ready to play on an NFL roster before he ended up on IR. You gotta get more output of the middle rounds, especially once you start paying Purdy the real big money.

Over the last 7 years, this team has arguably been the best in the league in terms building the roster. If your answer is to just do it even better. Ok. But I don't consider that to be a real realistic answer. A realistic answer has to be prioritize the OL and less on other positions. Which other positions can you throw less resources at. That is the real question.

You can certainly play the hindsight game and look at all the steals in the draft and conclude if we drafted all of them we would be great. That is not realistic to me.

The Eagles example doesn't work IMO because I would argue we have a more talented roster overall. It certainly doesn't seem like they throw as much resources at the offensive skill positions, LBs, and DBs compared to us. So at the end of the day it is the same question. Which other positions do you want to throw resources at?

Feels weird:
--- Trent Williams: Trade Acquisition
--- Aaron Banks: 2nd Round Pick
--- Jake Brendel: Free Agent
--- Spencer Burford: 4th Round Pick
--- Colton McKivitz: 5th Round Pick

Moore (5th round), Zakelj (6th round).
In the past, we paid big money to acquire Weston Richburg and signed Alex Mack.

Our offensive line acquisitions don't feel like a priority and almost feels patchwork, in a way. I think part of it is, obviously, it's not our top priority. But secondly, I think Shanahan prefers very specific things from offensive linemen in the zone run game, so that kind of forces us to look for very specific linemen.

You missed first round pick McGlinchey.

Yes, OL wasn't a priority. If you want the OL to be the priority, then which other position group you want to be less of a priority?

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
We have the best roster in football, but you can't have star players in every position. Somethings have to give.

The team chose to prioritize resources in offensive skill positions, LT, and Defensive front 6. If you want a tier 1 OL, then which positions are you willing to throw less resources at?

Skill positions? Let Aiyuk walk? Trade CMC, Kittle, and or Deebo?

How about defensive front 6? Trade Bosa, Warner, or Hargreaves? Let Chase Young walk?

You tell me what you want that is realistic.

The draft is the great equalizer. Its where you can find quality OL on the cheap. Its how the Eagles have been able to have excellent OL's, they've done a good job drafting them. What the 49ers need to do is simply stop wasting so many draft picks. Trey Sermon, TDP, Danny Gray and now Cameron Latu who looked like he was in no way ready to play on an NFL roster before he ended up on IR. You gotta get more output of the middle rounds, especially once you start paying Purdy the real big money.

Over the last 7 years, this team has arguably been the best in the league in terms building the roster. If your answer is to just do it even better. Ok. But I don't consider that to be a real realistic answer. A realistic answer has to be prioritize the OL and less on other positions. Which other positions can you throw less resources at. That is the real question.

You can certainly play the hindsight game and look at all the steals in the draft and conclude if we drafted all of them we would be great. That is not realistic to me.

The Eagles example doesn't work IMO because I would argue we have a more talented roster overall. It certainly doesn't seem like they throw as much resources at the offensive skill positions, LBs, and DBs compared to us. So at the end of the day it is the same question. Which other positions do you want to throw resources at?

Feels weird:
--- Trent Williams: Trade Acquisition
--- Aaron Banks: 2nd Round Pick
--- Jake Brendel: Free Agent
--- Spencer Burford: 4th Round Pick
--- Colton McKivitz: 5th Round Pick

Moore (5th round), Zakelj (6th round).
In the past, we paid big money to acquire Weston Richburg and signed Alex Mack.

Our offensive line acquisitions don't feel like a priority and almost feels patchwork, in a way. I think part of it is, obviously, it's not our top priority. But secondly, I think Shanahan prefers very specific things from offensive linemen in the zone run game, so that kind of forces us to look for very specific linemen.

Brendel, on re-draft (if he was drafted), I'd place him at minimum a 3rd round pick. An undrafted guy like Brendel, performing at almost a first string all pro level is impressive. Credit to Foerster on that one. One of the impressive keys to the development of this team is that there are some good players acquired in the lower rounds and in the undrafted. Example: Mason, Ronnie Bell, Kalia Davis etc...

If there is one radical draft strategy I'd contemplate is simply trading down some high round picks to acquire more lower round picks. For example, the Cameron Latu pick - if there was no OLine worthy of a 3rd round pick at that point, but there is a priority for getting OLine help, and the OLine class was subpar, why not just trade down that pick and get multiple picks in the lower rounds, and *one or two* of those lower round picks could be a Offensive Line value pick.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
We have the best roster in football, but you can't have star players in every position. Somethings have to give.

The team chose to prioritize resources in offensive skill positions, LT, and Defensive front 6. If you want a tier 1 OL, then which positions are you willing to throw less resources at?

Skill positions? Let Aiyuk walk? Trade CMC, Kittle, and or Deebo?

How about defensive front 6? Trade Bosa, Warner, or Hargreaves? Let Chase Young walk?

You tell me what you want that is realistic.

The draft is the great equalizer. Its where you can find quality OL on the cheap. Its how the Eagles have been able to have excellent OL's, they've done a good job drafting them. What the 49ers need to do is simply stop wasting so many draft picks. Trey Sermon, TDP, Danny Gray and now Cameron Latu who looked like he was in no way ready to play on an NFL roster before he ended up on IR. You gotta get more output of the middle rounds, especially once you start paying Purdy the real big money.

Over the last 7 years, this team has arguably been the best in the league in terms building the roster. If your answer is to just do it even better. Ok. But I don't consider that to be a real realistic answer. A realistic answer has to be prioritize the OL and less on other positions. Which other positions can you throw less resources at. That is the real question.

You can certainly play the hindsight game and look at all the steals in the draft and conclude if we drafted all of them we would be great. That is not realistic to me.

The Eagles example doesn't work IMO because I would argue we have a more talented roster overall. It certainly doesn't seem like they throw as much resources at the offensive skill positions, LBs, and DBs compared to us. So at the end of the day it is the same question. Which other positions do you want to throw resources at?

Feels weird:
--- Trent Williams: Trade Acquisition
--- Aaron Banks: 2nd Round Pick
--- Jake Brendel: Free Agent
--- Spencer Burford: 4th Round Pick
--- Colton McKivitz: 5th Round Pick

Moore (5th round), Zakelj (6th round).
In the past, we paid big money to acquire Weston Richburg and signed Alex Mack.

Our offensive line acquisitions don't feel like a priority and almost feels patchwork, in a way. I think part of it is, obviously, it's not our top priority. But secondly, I think Shanahan prefers very specific things from offensive linemen in the zone run game, so that kind of forces us to look for very specific linemen.

You missed first round pick McGlinchey.

Yes, OL wasn't a priority. If you want the OL to be the priority, then which other position group you want to be less of a priority?

I don't know if you have to sacrifice a position group, specially with the comp picks Kyle is getting from his coaches getting poached. I know they are only 3rd round picks or lower, but that still helps to shore up any weak positions on the team. I think it's almost a sure thing that Anthony Lynn is gone by next year and is a HC somewhere else. That's possibly two extra third round picks in the future.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
We have the best roster in football, but you can't have star players in every position. Somethings have to give.

The team chose to prioritize resources in offensive skill positions, LT, and Defensive front 6. If you want a tier 1 OL, then which positions are you willing to throw less resources at?

Skill positions? Let Aiyuk walk? Trade CMC, Kittle, and or Deebo?

How about defensive front 6? Trade Bosa, Warner, or Hargreaves? Let Chase Young walk?

You tell me what you want that is realistic.

The draft is the great equalizer. Its where you can find quality OL on the cheap. Its how the Eagles have been able to have excellent OL's, they've done a good job drafting them. What the 49ers need to do is simply stop wasting so many draft picks. Trey Sermon, TDP, Danny Gray and now Cameron Latu who looked like he was in no way ready to play on an NFL roster before he ended up on IR. You gotta get more output of the middle rounds, especially once you start paying Purdy the real big money.

Over the last 7 years, this team has arguably been the best in the league in terms building the roster. If your answer is to just do it even better. Ok. But I don't consider that to be a real realistic answer. A realistic answer has to be prioritize the OL and less on other positions. Which other positions can you throw less resources at. That is the real question.

You can certainly play the hindsight game and look at all the steals in the draft and conclude if we drafted all of them we would be great. That is not realistic to me.

The Eagles example doesn't work IMO because I would argue we have a more talented roster overall. It certainly doesn't seem like they throw as much resources at the offensive skill positions, LBs, and DBs compared to us. So at the end of the day it is the same question. Which other positions do you want to throw resources at?

Feels weird:
--- Trent Williams: Trade Acquisition
--- Aaron Banks: 2nd Round Pick
--- Jake Brendel: Free Agent
--- Spencer Burford: 4th Round Pick
--- Colton McKivitz: 5th Round Pick

Moore (5th round), Zakelj (6th round).
In the past, we paid big money to acquire Weston Richburg and signed Alex Mack.

Our offensive line acquisitions don't feel like a priority and almost feels patchwork, in a way. I think part of it is, obviously, it's not our top priority. But secondly, I think Shanahan prefers very specific things from offensive linemen in the zone run game, so that kind of forces us to look for very specific linemen.

Brendel, on re-draft (if he was drafted), I'd place him at minimum a 3rd round pick. An undrafted guy like Brendel, performing at almost a first string all pro level is impressive. Credit to Foerster on that one. One of the impressive keys to the development of this team is that there are some good players acquired in the lower rounds and in the undrafted. Example: Mason, Ronnie Bell, Kalia Davis etc...

If there is one radical draft strategy I'd contemplate is simply trading down some high round picks to acquire more lower round picks. For example, the Cameron Latu pick - if there was no OLine worthy of a 3rd round pick at that point, but there is a priority for getting OLine help, and the OLine class was subpar, why not just trade down that pick and get multiple picks in the lower rounds, and *one or two* of those lower round picks could be a Offensive Line value pick.

In this roster, how many rookies will make the team? You pretty much have to cut many of them before knowing whether they can play or not.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
We have the best roster in football, but you can't have star players in every position. Somethings have to give.

The team chose to prioritize resources in offensive skill positions, LT, and Defensive front 6. If you want a tier 1 OL, then which positions are you willing to throw less resources at?

Skill positions? Let Aiyuk walk? Trade CMC, Kittle, and or Deebo?

How about defensive front 6? Trade Bosa, Warner, or Hargreaves? Let Chase Young walk?

You tell me what you want that is realistic.

The draft is the great equalizer. Its where you can find quality OL on the cheap. Its how the Eagles have been able to have excellent OL's, they've done a good job drafting them. What the 49ers need to do is simply stop wasting so many draft picks. Trey Sermon, TDP, Danny Gray and now Cameron Latu who looked like he was in no way ready to play on an NFL roster before he ended up on IR. You gotta get more output of the middle rounds, especially once you start paying Purdy the real big money.

Over the last 7 years, this team has arguably been the best in the league in terms building the roster. If your answer is to just do it even better. Ok. But I don't consider that to be a real realistic answer. A realistic answer has to be prioritize the OL and less on other positions. Which other positions can you throw less resources at. That is the real question.

You can certainly play the hindsight game and look at all the steals in the draft and conclude if we drafted all of them we would be great. That is not realistic to me.

The Eagles example doesn't work IMO because I would argue we have a more talented roster overall. It certainly doesn't seem like they throw as much resources at the offensive skill positions, LBs, and DBs compared to us. So at the end of the day it is the same question. Which other positions do you want to throw resources at?

Feels weird:
--- Trent Williams: Trade Acquisition
--- Aaron Banks: 2nd Round Pick
--- Jake Brendel: Free Agent
--- Spencer Burford: 4th Round Pick
--- Colton McKivitz: 5th Round Pick

Moore (5th round), Zakelj (6th round).
In the past, we paid big money to acquire Weston Richburg and signed Alex Mack.

Our offensive line acquisitions don't feel like a priority and almost feels patchwork, in a way. I think part of it is, obviously, it's not our top priority. But secondly, I think Shanahan prefers very specific things from offensive linemen in the zone run game, so that kind of forces us to look for very specific linemen.

You missed first round pick McGlinchey.

Yes, OL wasn't a priority. If you want the OL to be the priority, then which other position group you want to be less of a priority?

I don't know if you have to sacrifice a position group, specially with the comp picks Kyle is getting from his coaches getting poached. I know they are only 3rd round picks or lower, but that still helps to shore up any weak positions on the team. I think it's almost a sure thing that Anthony Lynn is gone by next year and is a HC somewhere else. That's possibly two extra third round picks in the future.

Comps picks are at the end of the 3rd round. You can look at it from the draft pick value perspective. It is not much. A team that finished the season for drafting two spots ahead gets same same value as an extra 3rd round comp pick. It is weird to think like we got a bunch of value and can address all of the position groups and no prioritization is needed.

Originally posted by Giedi:
I don't know if you have to sacrifice a position group, specially with the comp picks Kyle is getting from his coaches getting poached. I know they are only 3rd round picks or lower, but that still helps to shore up any weak positions on the team. I think it's almost a sure thing that Anthony Lynn is gone by next year and is a HC somewhere else. That's possibly two extra third round picks in the future.

Why would it be a sure thing? He was HC before, he flopped badly. Not a single decision maker around the NFL is crediting him with the success of the 49ers offense and he's not exactly a young up and comer either.

They haven't had a 1st round pick thelast 2 drafts and a 2nd rounder in one of them. This season they have the opportunity to prioritize tackle and CB in a draft strong at OL

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
They haven't had a 1st round pick thelast 2 drafts and a 2nd rounder in one of them. This season they have the opportunity to prioritize tackle and CB in a draft strong at OL

Yeah they definitely need to prioritize finding Trent Williams' replacement. Man is still playing at an elite level, but it does sound like he's at the point where he'll think about retirement every offseason.

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
They haven't had a 1st round pick thelast 2 drafts and a 2nd rounder in one of them. This season they have the opportunity to prioritize tackle and CB in a draft strong at OL

Yeah they definitely need to prioritize finding Trent Williams' replacement. Man is still playing at an elite level, but it does sound like he's at the point where he'll think about retirement every offseason.

we're not going to find any one close to TW with a late first round draft pick

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
They haven't had a 1st round pick thelast 2 drafts and a 2nd rounder in one of them. This season they have the opportunity to prioritize tackle and CB in a draft strong at OL

Yeah they definitely need to prioritize finding Trent Williams' replacement. Man is still playing at an elite level, but it does sound like he's at the point where he'll think about retirement every offseason.

we're not going to find any one close to TW with a late first round draft pick

Yeah. We'd have to trade up into the top 10, 15.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
They haven't had a 1st round pick thelast 2 drafts and a 2nd rounder in one of them. This season they have the opportunity to prioritize tackle and CB in a draft strong at OL

Yeah they definitely need to prioritize finding Trent Williams' replacement. Man is still playing at an elite level, but it does sound like he's at the point where he'll think about retirement every offseason.

we're not going to find any one close to TW with a late first round draft pick

You never know. Who thought we would find a QB like Brock with the last pick in the draft. There are so many QBs and O linemen in this draft that quality could still be there at the Niners slot. They could also move up if they wanted a guy bad enough since they have so many picks.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
They haven't had a 1st round pick thelast 2 drafts and a 2nd rounder in one of them. This season they have the opportunity to prioritize tackle and CB in a draft strong at OL

Yeah they definitely need to prioritize finding Trent Williams' replacement. Man is still playing at an elite level, but it does sound like he's at the point where he'll think about retirement every offseason.

we're not going to find any one close to TW with a late first round draft pick

You never know. Who thought we would find a QB like Brock with the last pick in the draft. There are so many QBs and O linemen in this draft that quality could still be there at the Niners slot. They could also move up if they wanted a guy bad enough since they have so many picks.

OT isn't an intangible skill position

Nobody has figured out a way to evaluate how QB prospects process pre/post snap defenses. That is what usually decides their fate in the NFL

It takes athleticism + skill to succeed as an OT
Athleticism is easily scouted and those guys will never drop to the end of the draft.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
They haven't had a 1st round pick thelast 2 drafts and a 2nd rounder in one of them. This season they have the opportunity to prioritize tackle and CB in a draft strong at OL

Yeah they definitely need to prioritize finding Trent Williams' replacement. Man is still playing at an elite level, but it does sound like he's at the point where he'll think about retirement every offseason.

we're not going to find any one close to TW with a late first round draft pick

You never know. Who thought we would find a QB like Brock with the last pick in the draft. There are so many QBs and O linemen in this draft that quality could still be there at the Niners slot. They could also move up if they wanted a guy bad enough since they have so many picks.

Hmmm.. Just skimming through drafts. In the last decade or so, there have been a couple Pro Bowl tackles outside of the Top 10 (first round only):

• Tristan Werfs, 13th Overall, 2020
• Laremy Tunsil, 13th Overall, 2016
• D.J. Humphries, 24th Overall, 2015
• Taylor Lewan, 11th Overall, 2014