John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
The topic is cyclical every year because fans make it a topic when it really isn't .

It blows my mind how anyone can say our Oline needs to be improved when we literally had the 4th most yards per game in the league missing Trent Williams, Aaron Banks, Christian McCaffery, Jordan Mason, Isaac Guerrendo, Ricky Pearsall and Brandon Aiuyk for large portions of the season.

And yes, I expect the YPG to remain the same and our scoring and 3rd downs will improve just by having our key guys healthy like they were in 2023 and we were top 3 in every offensive category. It's not rocket science.

Weren't you complaining about the blown games or inability for the team to come back when behind?

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here.

The main issue is the OL is fine when things are clicking and the running game is rolling. We can help them a lot with playaction and things like that. But it's an issue when we have to throw and the other teams know it. Then the OL isn't up to snuff.

We have to get ahead of that. Obviously best way is to not be in those situations but can't expect that. Strengthening the OL never hurts. Hope we find ways to do just that.

Originally posted by genus49:
We're arguing minutia right now but I honestly don't know what you're showing me. I've looked at their premium stats and no matter what criteria I use he is not listed 17th.

And I posted the grades for anyone who played 20%+ of their snaps. And I'm sorry but no matter what their grade for him is we all saw the games. He was garbage. Planted on his ass so many times. I just don't understand how the coaches can see that and think he's a proper starter.

I'm showing you their current rankings at center without disregarding min snaps. You're showing me guys that played less than 300 snaps (at least 3 of them) which will obviously skew the rankings. 20% of snaps is nothing.

I mean are you telling me Barch was a top 15 OG last yr? Because if you take off the min snap count he is.

look his poor PBLK grade shows up on film, I'm not Brendel fan and I'm not defending him. His grade is his grade.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
I'm not taking a guard at 11 overall and we don't know if McKivitz will be extended or not.

We aren't in the position to take a player with a premium pick just incase Trent Williams retires in 2 years or McKivitz leaves as a free agent.

Load up with D prospect this year and add to the Oline next year when and If we actually have positions to fill.

Bro he's a OT but can play OG for a yr. You don't have to debate with me about taking a OG early…I've been very vocal for years about not doing that.

it's has nothing to do with just in case, Trent has two years left on his deal, Colton is a FA after this yr.

the draft isn't just about filling a void right now (even though it would). It's about long-term investment and having that at OT is totally with a top end pick.

If Membou, Campbell, or banks are there they almost have to take one.

I'd maybe take Johnson over them since I think he's going to be very good, but I doubt it. They can draft good dt in the 3, 4th and even 5th.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Been clamoring for better o line talent since 2019. If they go with: TW, bartch, Brendel, Puni, mckivitz I don't expect anything special next season.

True, but that's also on the o/line. A better offensive line makes the entire team better. Down near the goal line they couldn't open a can of pickles. Our rb got stone walled.

I also feel like Purdy regressed because of the constant pressure in his face.

Same OL in 2023 was #1 in RZ scoring.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
The topic is cyclical every year because fans make it a topic when it really isn't .

It blows my mind how anyone can say our Oline needs to be improved when we literally had the 4th most yards per game in the league missing Trent Williams, Aaron Banks, Christian McCaffery, Jordan Mason, Isaac Guerrendo, Ricky Pearsall and Brandon Aiuyk for large portions of the season.

And yes, I expect the YPG to remain the same and our scoring and 3rd downs will improve just by having our key guys healthy like they were in 2023 and we were top 3 in every offensive category. It's not rocket science.

Weren't you complaining about the blown games or inability for the team to come back when behind?

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here.

The main issue is the OL is fine when things are clicking and the running game is rolling. We can help them a lot with playaction and things like that. But it's an issue when we have to throw and the other teams know it. Then the OL isn't up to snuff.

We have to get ahead of that. Obviously best way is to not be in those situations but can't expect that. Strengthening the OL never hurts. Hope we find ways to do just that.

Correct. And I'm not discounting his desire for dline. I agree, but for me oline is more important than d line. They can spend the first 6-8 picks on trenches and I wouldn't be mad.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Been clamoring for better o line talent since 2019. If they go with: TW, bartch, Brendel, Puni, mckivitz I don't expect anything special next season.

True, but that's also on the o/line. A better offensive line makes the entire team better. Down near the goal line they couldn't open a can of pickles. Our rb got stone walled.

I also feel like Purdy regressed because of the constant pressure in his face.

Same OL in 2023 was #1 in RZ scoring.

So they regressed. Even more the reason to get younger and improve there.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
If Membou, Campbell, or banks are there they almost have to take one.

I'd maybe take Johnson over them since I think he's going to be very good, but I doubt it. They can draft good dt in the 3, 4th and even 5th.

I disagree with Campbell who imo is a OG at the next level and Banks is awful as a run blocker.

They simply don't value CBs.

I will bet money they don't take Campbell, banks or Johnson at 11

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
If Membou, Campbell, or banks are there they almost have to take one.

I'd maybe take Johnson over them since I think he's going to be very good, but I doubt it. They can draft good dt in the 3, 4th and even 5th.

I disagree with Campbell who imo is a OG at the next level and Banks is awful as a run blocker.

They simply don't value CBs.

I will bet money they don't take Campbell, banks or Johnson at 11

I'm suspecting an edge. Maybe a dt. But I would take it or Johnson. My favorite move is to try and do multi trade downs so they can just throw bodies at both lines.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I'm suspecting an edge. Maybe a dt. But I would take it or Johnson. My favorite move is to try and do multi trade downs so they can just throw bodies at both lines.

Agreed

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
So they regressed. Even more the reason to get younger and improve there.

I mean they had no Trent upgraded at RG and Colton improved.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Been clamoring for better o line talent since 2019. If they go with: TW, bartch, Brendel, Puni, mckivitz I don't expect anything special next season.

True, but that's also on the o/line. A better offensive line makes the entire team better. Down near the goal line they couldn't open a can of pickles. Our rb got stone walled.

I also feel like Purdy regressed because of the constant pressure in his face.

Same OL in 2023 was #1 in RZ scoring.

So they regressed. Even more the reason to get younger and improve there.

You're missing the point for the 20th time.

Why did they regress?

Originally posted by genus49:
Weren't you complaining about the blown games or inability for the team to come back when behind?

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here.

The main issue is the OL is fine when things are clicking and the running game is rolling. We can help them a lot with playaction and things like that. But it's an issue when we have to throw and the other teams know it. Then the OL isn't up to snuff.

We have to get ahead of that. Obviously best way is to not be in those situations but can't expect that. Strengthening the OL never hurts. Hope we find ways to do just that.

And that's not an issue for every other team in the league?

Comeon man. I want an Oline full of 1st rounders but Shanahan has proven he doesn't need that to have success. What he needs is playmakers.

And last year our Oline still helped us get the 4th most yards per game but because half our team was injured we struggled in the red zone and on 3rd downs. And I don't think that was because of the Oline.

The proof was in 2023 when our team stayed healthy that same Oline put up the leagues best offensive stats in almost every category.

Like I said 20 times, this isn't the year to be drafting a tackle of the future.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I'm showing you their current rankings at center without disregarding min snaps. You're showing me guys that played less than 300 snaps (at least 3 of them) which will obviously skew the rankings. 20% of snaps is nothing.

I mean are you telling me Barch was a top 15 OG last yr? Because if you take off the min snap count he is.

look his poor PBLK grade shows up on film, I'm not Brendel fan and I'm not defending him. His grade is his grade.

Like I said it's arguing minutia but you haven't given me your criteria. I've checked every snap variation and he never showed up 17th.

Regardless the conversation by most is his play in pass pro…since many here were somehow shocked that Purdy regressed with him at center and all the other things we had happening.

I also saw him planted on his ass many times in the run game. Not sure what was up with him but if we keep him as a starter we're asking for problems in key moments imo.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
And that's not an issue for every other team in the league?

Comeon man. I want an Oline full of 1st rounders but Shanahan has proven he doesn't need that to have success. What he needs is playmakers.

And last year our Oline still helped us get the 4th most yards per game but because half our team was injured we struggled in the red zone and on 3rd downs. And I don't think that was because of the Oline.

The proof was in 2023 when our team stayed healthy that same Oline put up the leagues best offensive stats in almost every category.

Like I said 20 times, this isn't the year to be drafting a tackle of the future.

It's an issue for most but not all including the Eagles who just won a SB. Or KC when the refs allow their OTs to hold…

I don't expect the team to draft OL just to draft them but I do think they need to be more willing to let guys compete with starters who aren't Trent Williams level. Brendel for sure shouldn't be handed anything cuz he's got a bunch of starts here and I'm still hoping they do just that.

As for 2023 it was fine until it wasn't…now Feliciano getting hurt didn't help things nor did Burford freelancing on a key play but part of the issue are the protection calls as well. We had way too many cases where our guys were blocking air or double teaming someone as a free rusher got through.

I agree with your last take. It's a bad OT class.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
You're missing the point for the 20th time.

Why did they regress?

It was a team wide regression save 4-5 players.

I'd say we got better with McKivitz(he was actually one of the guys who improved from 2023) and Puni(who improved on Burford but maybe not Feliciano)

Trent was still good but regressed and missed a bunch of time.
Banks and Brendel regressed big time.

That's not accounting for the other issues on offense which I'm sure you're implying.