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Welp, there goes that option.

Yup. I wanted Campbell and knew he'd be cheap. Number 1 vs the run as a DT. For less than 6 mil???!!!!!

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Been clamoring for better o line talent since 2019. If they go with: TW, bartch, Brendel, Puni, mckivitz I don't expect anything special next season.

True, but that's also on the o/line. A better offensive line makes the entire team better. Down near the goal line they couldn't open a can of pickles. Our rb got stone walled.

I also feel like Purdy regressed because of the constant pressure in his face.

Same OL in 2023 was #1 in RZ scoring.

So they regressed. Even more the reason to get younger and improve there.

You're missing the point for the 20th time.

Why did they regress?

Because they aren't very good and it always shows up against the better defenses. The o-line was nowhere near as good last year. CMC wasn't there to exploit miniscule openings. Brendel was horrible and hurt, TW was hurt and not nearly as good etc. My argument is they aren't going to improve with age.

Originally posted by elguapo:
Yup. I wanted Campbell and knew he'd be cheap. Number 1 vs the run as a DT. For less than 6 mil???!!!!!

Another one gone Conspiracy theory... teams who don't want us to improve (all of them) will do anything to keep us down

Originally posted by genus49:
Like I said it's arguing minutia but you haven't given me your criteria. I've checked every snap variation and he never showed up 17th.

Regardless the conversation by most is his play in pass pro…since many here were somehow shocked that Purdy regressed with him at center and all the other things we had happening.

I also saw him planted on his ass many times in the run game. Not sure what was up with him but if we keep him as a starter we're asking for problems in key moments imo.

My criteria isn't messing around with snap % to get a favorable outcome. Literally don't touch the snap mins, go to player grades, centers and he's 17th overall. You're tossing in guys that barely played to the equation.

Guess what his PBLK grade was WORSE in 2023. Brock's pressure % was HIGHER in 2023.

Brendel is not good, he's never been good. It's not like he was awesome in 2023 and just stunk in 2024. Yes absolutely they need to upgrade at center. Yes Brock absolutely needs to play better than he did in 2024 all the same. It's not one or the other. It was a collection of underwhelming play.

Originally posted by elguapo:
Yup. I wanted Campbell and knew he'd be cheap. Number 1 vs the run as a DT. For less than 6 mil???!!!!!

This literally was never gonna happen. SF is trying to get younger, not older…especially at DL.

SF isn't gonna sign anyone until after the draft.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Because they aren't very good and it always shows up against the better defenses. The o-line was nowhere near as good last year. CMC wasn't there to exploit miniscule openings. Brendel was horrible and hurt, TW was hurt and not nearly as good etc. My argument is they aren't going to improve with age.

TW was still elite when he played this yr. I'll debate that all day.

the OL wasn't great in 2023 all the same. I would say they upgraded at RG and Colton improved. Banks has never been a top tier LG but the league sucks at OL and his pay check reflects that.

SF was 7th overall in yards per carry. That's tied with the lions.

they should always be adding OL, no one is debating that.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Been clamoring for better o line talent since 2019. If they go with: TW, bartch, Brendel, Puni, mckivitz I don't expect anything special next season.

True, but that's also on the o/line. A better offensive line makes the entire team better. Down near the goal line they couldn't open a can of pickles. Our rb got stone walled.

I also feel like Purdy regressed because of the constant pressure in his face.

Same OL in 2023 was #1 in RZ scoring.

So they regressed. Even more the reason to get younger and improve there.

You're missing the point for the 20th time.

Why did they regress?

Because they aren't very good and it always shows up against the better defenses. The o-line was nowhere near as good last year. CMC wasn't there to exploit miniscule openings. Brendel was horrible and hurt, TW was hurt and not nearly as good etc. My argument is they aren't going to improve with age.

Like I said, you're missing the point.

And it shows with subjective posts like this where people say this person sucks or that person sucks or Purdy is running for his life which is completely false.

Dont back your views up with stats. Like 4th in YPG, 7th in yards per rush, league average pressure rate despite Purdy holding the ball nearly a full second longer than league average. Top 10 group in yards before contact, league average in sacks allowed.

Yet we still manage that without our best lineman, best receiver, best OW in CMC, best LG, Deeho regressing, Pearsall getting shot and us down to our 4th string RB.

But hey, facts and stats don't matter right?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Because they aren't very good and it always shows up against the better defenses. The o-line was nowhere near as good last year. CMC wasn't there to exploit miniscule openings. Brendel was horrible and hurt, TW was hurt and not nearly as good etc. My argument is they aren't going to improve with age.

TW was still elite when he played this yr. I'll debate that all day.

the OL wasn't great in 2023 all the same. I would say they upgraded at RG and Colton improved. Banks has never been a top tier LG but the league sucks at OL and his pay check reflects that.

SF was 7th overall in yards per carry. That's tied with the lions.

they should always be adding OL, no one is debating that.

Is there much of a debate there honestly? If you want to use PFF metrics it was the first year with 49ers that he didn't have an overall grade of 90+.

Now if your argument is that's still elite vs the standard NFL then I won't disagree with you. But he regressed from HIS standard.

Banks and Brendel were the biggest issues on that OL though. I think Banks leaving is addition by subtraction honestly and Brendel hopefully gets pushed to being depth when the season starts.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Been clamoring for better o line talent since 2019. If they go with: TW, bartch, Brendel, Puni, mckivitz I don't expect anything special next season.

True, but that's also on the o/line. A better offensive line makes the entire team better. Down near the goal line they couldn't open a can of pickles. Our rb got stone walled.

I also feel like Purdy regressed because of the constant pressure in his face.

Same OL in 2023 was #1 in RZ scoring.

So they regressed. Even more the reason to get younger and improve there.

You're missing the point for the 20th time.

Why did they regress?

Because they aren't very good and it always shows up against the better defenses. The o-line was nowhere near as good last year. CMC wasn't there to exploit miniscule openings. Brendel was horrible and hurt, TW was hurt and not nearly as good etc. My argument is they aren't going to improve with age.

Like I said, you're missing the point.

And it shows with subjective posts like this where people say this person sucks or that person sucks or Purdy is running for his life which is completely false.

Dont back your views up with stats. Like 4th in YPG, 7th in yards per rush, league average pressure rate despite Purdy holding the ball nearly a full second longer than league average. Top 10 group in yards before contact, league average in sacks allowed.

Yet we still manage that without our best lineman, best receiver, best OW in CMC, best LG, Deeho regressing, Pearsall getting shot and us down to our 4th string RB.

But hey, facts and stats don't matter right?

So you insinuate that Purdy is holding the ball too long and then mention all the issues we had on offense. Do you think maybe they're related?

This was his point. There are times you can get away with all that and there are times where you need more. We needed more in the SB. You were just in the Purdy thread talking about how Jalen Hurts won the SB vs the Chiefs and Purdy didnt...think if Purdy had the Eagles OL that would've changed some things?

Now there is obviously a line you have to draw when building a team. We have 11 picks but we don't get to magically just grab 11 guys that we want. There are 31 other teams looking to add to their rosters in this draft as well.

Unfortunately for us it's not a great draft for OT(most of the OTs in this class look like they're moving inside in the NFL) and Center is a weak spot too(not that we can expect Kyle to start a rookie center)

Fortunately for us the draft seems to be pretty good at other needs we have, specifically DL.

Gun to my head I'm a lot more concerned about our DL going into next season than I am OL. However if we're not careful the OL could fall apart VERY quickly. Trent can retire at any moment. McKivitz only has one year left on his deal. Outside of Puni I believe most of our interior guys are on one year deals or going to be FAs after this season. We have to plan for the future but the draft has to fall our way.

Personally for me I want Membou to fall. I think he's exactly what we need and a clear fit. I wouldn't love it but I think if Will Campbell falls he may force us to pull the trigger.

I think the best course of action assuming there is an interested team to move up, would be to trade down. Acquire more picks and grab the best DT on our board in round 1 to get one of our favorites. This draft class is really meant to double dip, maybe even more into DT and DE.

If we can grab some of Green Bay's secret sauce and luck our way into starting OLmen in the later rounds that would be superb.

But pass protection needs to be a big priority this offseason and not simply with players. I think Kyle and Brock need to figure something out together where we stop having so many free rushers come through.

Just saw this on twitter and thought it was helpful to the latest conversation here about the OL and impact on the offense.

Brock even with holding the ball long(for various reasons he sees fit) he's done a pretty good job of avoiding key losses in big moments. Right up there with some really good QBs.


Honestly shocked to see Sam Darnold wasn't dead last. He took some HORRIBLE sacks last year. Must've been on earlier downs so they don't count as much.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Because they aren't very good and it always shows up against the better defenses. The o-line was nowhere near as good last year. CMC wasn't there to exploit miniscule openings. Brendel was horrible and hurt, TW was hurt and not nearly as good etc. My argument is they aren't going to improve with age.

Well actually there is a metric that shows olinemen is the only position group that gets better with age other than QB. I can't find it right now but it was released a couple months ago. It basically showed avg olinemen going into their 2nd or 3rd contracts getting better each and every year well into their 30s. All other position groups a decline starts to happen around age 27-28.

One of the takeaways is to get some good cheap olinemen around 28 years old and you'll have a solid starter for 4-5 years. The 49ers have done it with their center since Kyle has been here. Although it might be time to put Brendal down.

Guys that we have that fit this mold:
McKivitiz got better last year and his arrow is up
Bartch looked good when he was out there
Hennessy is a former starter
Burford is a former starter

I'm not saying all 4 of those guys should be starting but the odds are 1 or 2 should continue to ascend. If Bartch and Hennessy can become decent starters then we will be ok as long as we get Trents replacement in the upcoming draft.
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Originally posted by genus49:
Is there much of a debate there honestly? If you want to use PFF metrics it was the first year with 49ers that he didn't have an overall grade of 90+.

Now if your argument is that's still elite vs the standard NFL then I won't disagree with you. But he regressed from HIS standard.

Banks and Brendel were the biggest issues on that OL though. I think Banks leaving is addition by subtraction honestly and Brendel hopefully gets pushed to being depth when the season starts.

Trent was the 2nd overall OT in PBWR last yr. Where he "dipped" is run blocking and that was still elite according to most metrics (over 80 score on PFF) that's with no off season.

Banks got paid $77M this yr because the league is starving for serviceable lineman. Even GB who's been pretty damn good at drafting OL for years.

folks love to complain about the OL because when they get beat it's there for everyone to see. When they do their jobs no one notices.

Brendel is gonna be the starter this yr, that's our OL coach's boy. Hopefully they bring in some sort of competition via the draft and start developing his replacement asap.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:
Is there much of a debate there honestly? If you want to use PFF metrics it was the first year with 49ers that he didn't have an overall grade of 90+.

Now if your argument is that's still elite vs the standard NFL then I won't disagree with you. But he regressed from HIS standard.

Banks and Brendel were the biggest issues on that OL though. I think Banks leaving is addition by subtraction honestly and Brendel hopefully gets pushed to being depth when the season starts.

Trent was the 2nd overall OT in PBWR last yr. Where he "dipped" is run blocking and that was still elite according to most metrics (over 80 score on PFF) that's with no off season.

Banks got paid $77M this yr because the league is starving for serviceable lineman. Even GB who's been pretty damn good at drafting OL for years.

folks love to complain about the OL because when they get beat it's there for everyone to see. When they do their jobs no one notices.

Brendel is gonna be the starter this yr, that's our OL coach's boy. Hopefully they bring in some sort of competition via the draft and start developing his replacement asap.

Brendel is going to be the center until they get someone who the coaches think is better. Whether it's someone currently on the roster who steps up, a draft pick or a free agent. Eventually they'll find someone but until then he's the guy.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Brendel is going to be the center until they get someone who the coaches think is better. Whether it's someone currently on the roster who steps up, a draft pick or a free agent. Eventually they'll find someone but until then he's the guy.

Pretty much. Maybe they think it could be Hennessey, I liked him in the draft a coup yrs back. Maybe it's a day 2/3 IOL that they can develop this yr.

I really don't think they're gonna stick a rookie in there unless he completely blows them away during camp. It's gonna be Brendel this yr and folks need to kinda of accept it