John Lynch - 49ers GM

1. Originally posted by pillageDatazz:
   PFF is effing lame for this comment... not their first and last thoughtless comment
   
   Now, if they are saying that because we didn't do much of anything besides one dude on oline, then I get it

No. They are saying this because of where we chose the players

- (3rd round) Nick Martin had a 5th round grade
- (3rd round) Upton Stout had a 6th round grade
- (4th round) CJ West had a 5th round grade
- (4th round) Jordan Watkins had an UDFA grade
- (5th round) Marques Sigle had an UDFA grade
- (7th round) Junior Bergen had an UDFA grade

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

1. Originally posted by pillageDatazz:
   PFF is effing lame for this comment... not their first and last thoughtless comment
   
   Now, if they are saying that because we didn't do much of anything besides one dude on oline, then I get it

No. They are saying this because of where we chose the players

- (3rd round) Nick Martin had a 5th round grade
- (3rd round) Upton Stout had a 6th round grade
- (4th round) CJ West had a 5th round grade
- (4th round) Jordan Watkins had an UDFA grade
- (5th round) Marques Sigle had an UDFA grade
- (7th round) Junior Bergen had an UDFA grade

I don't think the 49ers care much about PFF, mock drafts, draft grades, etc.
They are obviously very diligent and deliberate about their choices, and they take who they like, not who other people like.
It's bold, and yes, I get frustrated as hell during the draft.
But we can't deny that the team has been competitive during the Shanny era, in fact, if you power ranked the teams the last 5-6 years, it would be 1.KC, 2. SF.
So they are obviously doing something right. As for the PFF grade, wait until next year to see if they are correct or not.

Gotta love when pff

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

1. Originally posted by pillageDatazz:
   PFF is effing lame for this comment... not their first and last thoughtless comment
   
   Now, if they are saying that because we didn't do much of anything besides one dude on oline, then I get it

No. They are saying this because of where we chose the players

- (3rd round) Nick Martin had a 5th round grade
- (3rd round) Upton Stout had a 6th round grade
- (4th round) CJ West had a 5th round grade
- (4th round) Jordan Watkins had an UDFA grade
- (5th round) Marques Sigle had an UDFA grade
- (7th round) Junior Bergen had an UDFA grade

Some folks in here live and die by pff rankings so ...lol.

I love the dline picks. The rest is definitely debatable.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
PFF ranked us dead last with a D grade for our draft

They don't even explain the D grade. Williams was a standout run defender and considered a safe pick. Collins is a high floor run defender with versatility to play from 0- to 5-tech. Martin is undersized and is coming off an injury but has an athletic profile of what you would want, but they can't even get their 2024 grade for him right. Upton Stout will be limited to playing NCB, which is why we drafted him to play NCB. This team loves their small nickel corners... K'waun, Reed, Womack... CJ West is another run-defense specialist with already above-average pass-rush skills according to the author.

If that draft is a D, they must have believed we were going in a different direction

San Francisco 49ers

• Remaining Starter Needs: EDGE, Dl
• Remaining Depth/Future Needs: G, LB, T, CB

The 49ers recently boasted one of the most complete rosters in the NFL, but as this offseason has indicated, that is now far from true. The team's biggest deficiency is along the defensive line, which lost Leonard Floyd and Javon Hargrave — and which finished 2024 ranking 22nd in PFF overall grade, even with Nick Bosa's heroics. San Francisco is incredibly thin at both edge rusher and interior defender and figures to target one of the two at Pick No. 11 in the 2025 NFL Draft.

With the loss of Aaron Banks in free agency, the 49ers also don't have a clear-cut starter at left guard, although Ben Bartch produced a 74.8 PFF overall grade on 65 snaps there last season. Dre Greenlaw is now in Denver, so the team also needs reinforcement at inside linebacker next to Fred Warner. The good news is that Trent Williams staved off retirement for one more year, although he played his fewest snaps since 2017 — and may be in for a swan song. At cornerback, the Niners are in solid standing with Deommodore Lenoir and Renardo Green, but no other cornerback on the roster played even 300 snaps last year.

• 1.11 Kelvin Banks Jr., OT, Texas, PFF Big Board #19, Pick Grade C
• 2.43 Bradyn Swinson, Edge, LSU, PFF Big Board #43, Pick Grade A-

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-state-of-all-32-franchises-2025-nfl-draft#SF

That was PFF on April 10th... So the Starter Needs are DL... Depth/Future needs at LB and CB too? Man did we screw up addressing all those needs. Oh, but we didn't draft a G or T even though the team likes Bartch. But maybe the PFF writer on the 10th liked him? According to PFF, Banks' grades were 68.9 run (12th), 60.5 pass (23rd), and 65.4 overall (14th). In Bartch's limited snaps, he was graded 71.2 run, 74.0 pass, and 74.8 overall. They didn't bring up McKivitz and I think it's because his grades doesn't make the case that right tackle is really an immediate need. 68.6 run (15th), 72.8 pass (13th), 72.2 overall (13th).

To me, this team needed to address the defense, which is in a worse state than the offensive line, and the draft happened to be stacked on defense. The team has a prototype for what they look for at positions. And they went after their players, which never aligns with PFFs or the consensus ranks.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Gotta love when pff

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

1. Originally posted by pillageDatazz:
   PFF is effing lame for this comment... not their first and last thoughtless comment
   
   Now, if they are saying that because we didn't do much of anything besides one dude on oline, then I get it

No. They are saying this because of where we chose the players

- (3rd round) Nick Martin had a 5th round grade
- (3rd round) Upton Stout had a 6th round grade
- (4th round) CJ West had a 5th round grade
- (4th round) Jordan Watkins had an UDFA grade
- (5th round) Marques Sigle had an UDFA grade
- (7th round) Junior Bergen had an UDFA grade

Some folks in here live and die by pff rankings so ...lol.

I love the dline picks. The rest is definitely debatable.

I think the Martin pick was too early, but up to and including the CJ pick I was ok with it. After that it kind of went side ways for my liking.last years draft felt a lot different then this years. Last year they seemed more patient, worked the board, let the picks fall to them, picks seemed to have more "value". It turned out to be a really good draft.
This year they had players in mind ( to fill needs ) and "reached" to assure they got them. We'll have to see how it works out, I'm hoping for the best. After the CJ pick I really wish they had addressed the O line, at least get someone in to compete.

Originally posted by Oilcan:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Gotta love when pff

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

1. Originally posted by pillageDatazz:
   PFF is effing lame for this comment... not their first and last thoughtless comment
   
   Now, if they are saying that because we didn't do much of anything besides one dude on oline, then I get it

No. They are saying this because of where we chose the players

- (3rd round) Nick Martin had a 5th round grade
- (3rd round) Upton Stout had a 6th round grade
- (4th round) CJ West had a 5th round grade
- (4th round) Jordan Watkins had an UDFA grade
- (5th round) Marques Sigle had an UDFA grade
- (7th round) Junior Bergen had an UDFA grade

Some folks in here live and die by pff rankings so ...lol.

I love the dline picks. The rest is definitely debatable.

I think the Martin pick was too early, but up to and including the CJ pick I was ok with it. After that it kind of went side ways for my liking.last years draft felt a lot different then this years. Last year they seemed more patient, worked the board, let the picks fall to them, picks seemed to have more "value". It turned out to be a really good draft.
This year they had players in mind ( to fill needs ) and "reached" to assure they got them. We'll have to see how it works out, I'm hoping for the best. After the CJ pick I really wish they had addressed the O line, at least get someone in to compete.

Yup. At least the dline should be much improved. The rest were not sure

It was nice to see the DL get some love, whilst it feels like the OL was a little neglected once again.

Originally posted by Sickaa:
It was nice to see the DL get some love, whilst it feels like the OL was a little neglected once again.

They at least picked up two really late, but seem like good value plus they both can play guard and OT

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Yup. At least the dline should be much improved. The rest were not sure

I think at worst, of defense is tremendously improved, and so is our special teams.

which those two phases is what destroyed our season. Our offense wasn't great but it was continuously put in awful situations by the terrible defense and league worst special teams.

It was important to turn those groups around and I think we are on the right trajectory.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by pillageDatazz:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
How do you hold him accountable or have difficult conversations with him, when you're in the draft room tweeting out and playing during the process?

Very un Eddie D like.

Eddie D's tiny azz would've beat up Lynch and Shanny before he fired them

😂

Eddie also would have made sure the scouts did their job to the fullest. Planning was a major part of Eddie's core principles.

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Eddie also would have made sure the scouts did their job to the fullest. Planning was a major part of Eddie's core principles.

Dude was definitely anal to a T, but that's what you want when it comes to getting to / winning a SB

Imagine watching that dude going off on a vending machine

Originally posted by pillageDatazz:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Eddie also would have made sure the scouts did their job to the fullest. Planning was a major part of Eddie's core principles.

Dude was definitely anal to a T, but that's what you want when it comes to getting to / winning a SB

Imagine watching that dude going off on a vending machine

Terrifying!

Originally posted by BP13:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

1. Originally posted by pillageDatazz:
   PFF is effing lame for this comment... not their first and last thoughtless comment
   
   Now, if they are saying that because we didn't do much of anything besides one dude on oline, then I get it

No. They are saying this because of where we chose the players

- (3rd round) Nick Martin had a 5th round grade
- (3rd round) Upton Stout had a 6th round grade
- (4th round) CJ West had a 5th round grade
- (4th round) Jordan Watkins had an UDFA grade
- (5th round) Marques Sigle had an UDFA grade
- (7th round) Junior Bergen had an UDFA grade

I don't think the 49ers care much about PFF, mock drafts, draft grades, etc.
They are obviously very diligent and deliberate about their choices, and they take who they like, not who other people like.
It's bold, and yes, I get frustrated as hell during the draft.
But we can't deny that the team has been competitive during the Shanny era, in fact, if you power ranked the teams the last 5-6 years, it would be 1.KC, 2. SF.
So they are obviously doing something right. As for the PFF grade, wait until next year to see if they are correct or not.

But imagine how better they would be had they not over drafted almost every single player they selected in the 3rd round? Guys who didn't even see the field. Or taking a kicker in the 3rd and punter in the 4th.

Tyrion Davis Price, Trey Sermon, Cameron Latu, Danny Gray, Ambry Thomas, Jalen Hurd, CJ Beathard. Just horrible picks.

And then our 1st rounders… Ughh. Solomon Thomas, Reuben Foster, Trey Lance, trading Buckner and taking Kinlaw. The 2nd rounders..Drake Jackson, Dante Pettis.

If this team drafted better we'd have at least one SB. But they lucked out with Bosa and taking Purdy in the 7th. And then finding guys like Warner, Kittle, Lenoir, Jennings, Hufunga, Greenlaw, DJ Jones etc later on.

For some reasons round 1-3 is our nemesis. We over drafted almost every time.

But overall, this is not a good drafting team and has way more misses than hits.

Draft review people, and well...I guess websites is just a big echo chamber

People act like we have not had 89 consecutive NFL drafts that show "rankings" and "draft position" are flawed as all get out.

I don't have the time, desire or energy to manually look up how often someone like PFF is correct in how they rank players....but chat GPT says they have around a 20% hit rate when they predict potential success of players taken after the 3rd round.

Chat GPT will even chart the 49er draft picks compared to PFF's expectations...they beat the TAR out of PFF.

Just to list some of the "reaches" (more then 32 spots before PFF says they should be taken) the 49ers have made when they have taken guys ahead of PFF's grades:

Brandon Ayuik
DJ jones
George Kittle
DJ Reed (ok this was Seattle...but still)
Wish
Greenlaw
Colton McKivits
Juan (UDFA...lol)
lenior
Huff
Burford
Purdy (UDFA..again...lol)

The 49ers hit on 52% of their draft picks, that is higher than the NFL average hit rate for the 2nd round (only 3% behind the hit rate on the NFL 1st round). The NFL average hit rate for draft picks is 30%.

That is pretty bonkers when you factor in this team has clear starters in so many places...it is not like bottom dwellers that can start dudes because they have no better options.

The 49ers are killing the NFL average. To top that off, to keep picking on PFF...the 49ers draft picks out perform PFF predictions 65% of the time.

arguing over taking a dude with a so called "6th round grade" in the 3rd or 4th round is pretty pointless, when the 49ers clearly out perform the rest of the NFL, let alone draft ranking sites.

They have a clear track record....and who knows....maybe it is because they do not take random guard_32144 just because they need depth at guard.

Originally posted by Dshearn:
Draft review people, and well...I guess websites is just a big echo chamber

People act like we have not had 89 consecutive NFL drafts that show "rankings" and "draft position" are flawed as all get out.

I don't have the time, desire or energy to manually look up how often someone like PFF is correct in how they rank players....but chat GPT says they have around a 20% hit rate when they predict potential success of players taken after the 3rd round.

Chat GPT will even chart the 49er draft picks compared to PFF's expectations...they beat the TAR out of PFF.

Just to list some of the "reaches" (more then 32 spots before PFF says they should be taken) the 49ers have made when they have taken guys ahead of PFF's grades:

Brandon Ayuik
DJ jones
George Kittle
DJ Reed (ok this was Seattle...but still)
Wish
Greenlaw
Colton McKivits
Juan (UDFA...lol)
lenior
Huff
Burford
Purdy (UDFA..again...lol)

The 49ers hit on 52% of their draft picks, that is higher than the NFL average hit rate for the 2nd round (only 3% behind the hit rate on the NFL 1st round). The NFL average hit rate for draft picks is 30%.

That is pretty bonkers when you factor in this team has clear starters in so many places...it is not like bottom dwellers that can start dudes because they have no better options.

The 49ers are killing the NFL average. To top that off, to keep picking on PFF...the 49ers draft picks out perform PFF predictions 65% of the time.

arguing over taking a dude with a so called "6th round grade" in the 3rd or 4th round is pretty pointless, when the 49ers clearly out perform the rest of the NFL, let alone draft ranking sites.

They have a clear track record....and who knows....maybe it is because they do not take random guard_32144 just because they need depth at guard.

The 49ers have absolute NOT hit on 52% of their draft picks. Not even close