Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Well, I think it's more of getting the right talent to fit the system. First rounder RG3 or second rounder Colin Kaepernick wouldn't fit in this system as well as a fourth round guy in Kirk Cousins. Then again Bret and Elway were very high round draft pics that were just as athletically gifted as Colin and RG3 that also did extremely well in this system too. If it's true that 2018 QB class is as strong as the draft nerds say - with an 8-8 record (or worse), I think there is going to be some high quality quarterbacks available to ShanaLynch in 2018 without needing to do any moves to trade up at all. In the past first rounds - Dan Marino was pick # 27, Jim Kelly was pick # 14, Big Ben was pick # 11, and I'm not even talking about QB's that have been chosen in the later rounds that have been FQB's. In other words, I think we can safely win 8 games and still have a great chance to get a FQB.
You need to look at who's in this draft...Luke falk and Mason Rudolph are not Dan Marino or Jim Kelly. Also the QB position while important back then wasn't in demand like it is now. The game has made it that way.
For every Kirk cousin there's about 20 Conner cooks when thinking you're smart enough to draft a QB in the mid rds. Look at what the Rams gave up for Goff and imo all 3 top qbs (in next yrs draft) are much better prospects then he was...if you don't have a top 3 pick your not getting one of them without giving up a s**t ton of future picks which we need!
As far as safe to say we can win 8 games and still get a FQB? Couldn't disagree with you more. You bring up Big Ben well Pitt went 6-10 the yr before....you want to be the Bills more power to ya, I'm not a fan who wants moral victories that's all 8-8 is to me. We saw those type of records for 7 straight seasons and are STILL looking for a FQB.
NY, I won't disagree with anything you posted, but the question is, what are kyle and Lynch going to do? I am sympathetic with your sentiments, but what will Lynch and kyle do once we are well into the season ? If we have a shot at a playoff spot( i know, very unlikely), i can't believe they don't go for it, knowing full well we would be out manned in the next round. Question is how will they handle a situation like that? I just don't see them backing off when we get further into the season, and at least have a shot at a playoff slot. I don't htink they are built that way. But your point is, to not try and play to a level we can't sustain...and in the process, end up with a better draft slot. Historically, 8-8 gets you about draft pick midway thru, ie, 15-16 or so . Somehow, i think we have 6 Ws as a lock, or certainly very likely, and could possibly get another couple. Once past the wild card, however, opposition gets tough and our winning there....well, i wouldn't bet on us. Just too many really good teams in those that remain. So where and at what point does kyle/john start thinking play the rooks or 2nd string as starters? When you think about it, doing a slo- mo tank is not as easy as it sounds, and secondly, i just don't think kyle and john want any part of something like that And i feel pretty sure the players aren't interested in a tank either. Not an overt one, mind you, but a semi or gentle tank. Just no way with the kind of talent amassed in off season that kyle and john go that route.
So i think, even tho it means a lesser draft pick, john and lynch go all out to win each and every game. Frankly i just don't see how they could do what you propose wtihout being obvious about it. If we happened to have the same injuries as previous yrs, well then sure, a tank wouldn't be that hard. But that is where KYle started...improving the health of our overall team and getting our average of 17 guys on IR for the yr....OFF IR. We would all like to see that. So i think your idea is what is best for draft slot, but i just don't see it going down when left to kyle or john.
IF, on the other hand, we don't have 6 W lock team with a shot at a couple more Ws, then , sure, a slo-mo tank would be a bit easier. But if, as i suspect, we are a lot better than anyone dares think about, any kind of tanking would be very difficult. And the players sure wouldn't get behind it. They are tired of this losing krapt, and in Joe's case, he is at end of his career. He wants to win and now. That will surely be the feeling thruout the locker room. So even if kyle wants to tank, i think it would be very difficult. On top of that, IMO, it would be a lot harder than one would think. And , it would demoralize the team were our GM/HC to go down that path. Hence, my guess is it doesn't happen, a better draft situation notwithstanding. Tjhat's the last thing the players are thinking about right now. They are all interested in Ws. And that's the way they play....and the coaches coach.