Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by mojave45:
Doc, I don't know how close we are yet to getting back to where we need to be. But I want to mention the other part of your post about is it the QB or the great coach that matters... I have always wondered how good Montana would have been if he hadn't been groomed by Walsh. We know what a difference Walsh made in Steve Young's career. Yes a great coach needs a talented player to groom, but that player needs to be developed properly too. So I am not of the opinion that the QB Kyle and Lynch go after absolutely, positively has to be a top 5 draft pick. I just hope who ever it is they target next year is the correct pick long term. I don't care if they decide the guy Kyle wants is in the second round for example. Or if we have to trade up a little to get "The Guy".
This year is so important in building the team foundation, installing the new defense and offense, and preparing for a respectable season in 2018.I don't think we should tank for draft picks, but I am not going to complain if we play the rookies a lot either in preparation for 2018, and win 3-4 games as a result of it while improving how competitive we look on game day. We were historically bad last year, I don't expect miracles this year, but next year I want to see our future QB, and at least a glimpse of where we are going to be in the long run.
I don't want to tank either and have stated that. I do want to have a plan this time next yr at who's gonna be the franchise guy moving forward....does he have to be the #1 overall pick? No. BUT I want to give lynch and Co. the BEST overall odds at getting whomever they think is best for this team at QB. I will be pissed if we're rolling into 2018 with hoyer as the starter with no real plan (like the jets did this past yr).
NY, i am not as concise as you are, but i don't see anything we really disagree on. I MENTIONED our choices....
1.Hoyer, if he proves he can be the man
2. Barks if Hoyer gets injured or backslides.
3.CJ,whether 4 games, 6 games or perhaps more.
4. The first choice if it works out, would be 2018 FA , ie, Cousins
5. 2018 draft ...and we are in full agreement that the higher the draft pick we have, the better off we are. Barring that we can trade up some...for QBs in rd 1...it would be steep, a la a Wentz/Goff 6 pak.
Note, i did NOT say Hoyer as our only choice. If you took it that way, you misunderstood me. The five choices above are not necessarily in order, tho timewise, perhaps so.
Just reiterating, my one small difference with you is with the OC/HC who is a great playcaller, QB picker and developer, we may not need a Brady or Montana( which would be highly unlikely anyway), but almost as good would be the QB who is well rated in college ranks, and has the fundamentals kyle has noted. I guess i am saying he doesn't have to be the ONE best one, because that is no guarantee.. It has to be one kyle is comfortable wiht who has the good pedigree. One wasn't there this yr. Maybe he isn't there next yr either. Who knows how long it takes ? Hopefully one or especially more of the Qbs next yr qualify. IF not, then hope for Cousins. If not, then keep on improving the D, the O, and hope we get a shot at the Qb of the future....sometime. My thots are with the top notch HC/OC, we can succeed without getting the one best Qb in the draft next yr, if a guy fits the description above. Most of all it depends on kyle's, john's (and I bet Mike's) thots on the Qbs in 2018 after getting thru most of the collegiate season. The simple answer is Cousins...but that is also the most awkward and hardest to finesse.