49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by Niners816:
So the Shanny WCO is exposed now #BecauseHoyer

Yep, it has nothing to do with McVay's lack of personnel grouping variation or Goff s**tting the bed.....Its the scheme.

Right. NE's idea of blitzing the QB to defend the offense is a knock on Goff, not the WCO. There are a number of ways to beat the blitz. jonnydel mentioned route conversions, changing the route based on the coverage (or blitz). An offense can also keep in an extra blocker (check release) - Harbaugh/Roman did this a lot, having Gore check for a blitz, then release into a short route.

But if you have a QB that can process quickly, then you can also beat the blitz with a quick pass, throwing hot. Below is Bill Walsh talking about a specific play, but in the explanation, he is stating that even when the defense blitzes, the QB must throw hot. There will be 5 routes out, there will not be an extra blocker. This is a 'different ways to skin a cat' type of thing.

http://www.westcoastoffense.com/bill%20walsh%20article%201.htm
The fullback runs what we call a scat pattern. He doesn't have any pickup, and he releases to the outside. He never catches the ball more than 2 yards past the line of scrimmage, most often right at the line of scrimmage. If the backer blitzes, he looks for the ball early.


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The bolded is Walsh saying blitz or no blitz, the FB runs his route. If blitzed, the QB throws hot. This goes back to the foundation of the WCO - get the ball out to a playmaker in space, while they are on the move, using short, safe passes. Goff is not good when he has to read the field post snap and make a decision. There are pros and cons to all these three options to beating the blitz.
Route conversions work to beat the coverage since a WR changes his route, but if the QB and WR aren't on the same page, bad things happen.
Keeping in a 6th blocker adds protection, but there's 20% less route runners (4, not 5). Routes help each other get open so one less route means less help to get other WRs open. Less routes also creates less movement in the defense postsnap.
Throwing hot gets the ball out quick into space, but a defense that understands the hot read can defend it well.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Niners816:

So the Shanny WCO is exposed now #BecauseHoyer

Yep, it has nothing to do with McVay's lack of personnel grouping variation or Goff s**tting the bed.....Its the scheme.

Right. NE's idea of blitzing the QB to defend the offense is a knock on Goff, not the WCO. There are a number of ways to beat the blitz. jonnydel mentioned route conversions, changing the route based on the coverage (or blitz). An offense can also keep in an extra blocker (check release) - Harbaugh/Roman did this a lot, having Gore check for a blitz, then release into a short route.

But if you have a QB that can process quickly, then you can also beat the blitz with a quick pass, throwing hot. Below is Bill Walsh talking about a specific play, but in the explanation, he is stating that even when the defense blitzes, the QB must throw hot. There will be 5 routes out, there will not be an extra blocker. This is a 'different ways to skin a cat' type of thing.

http://www.westcoastoffense.com/bill%20walsh%20article%201.htm
The fullback runs what we call a scat pattern. He doesn't have any pickup, and he releases to the outside. He never catches the ball more than 2 yards past the line of scrimmage, most often right at the line of scrimmage. If the backer blitzes, he looks for the ball early.


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The bolded is Walsh saying blitz or no blitz, the FB runs his route. If blitzed, the QB throws hot. This goes back to the foundation of the WCO - get the ball out to a playmaker in space, while they are on the move, using short, safe passes. Goff is not good when he has to read the field post snap and make a decision. There are pros and cons to all these three options to beating the blitz.
Route conversions work to beat the coverage since a WR changes his route, but if the QB and WR aren't on the same page, bad things happen.
Keeping in a 6th blocker adds protection, but there's 20% less route runners (4, not 5). Routes help each other get open so one less route means less help to get other WRs open. Less routes also creates less movement in the defense postsnap.
Throwing hot gets the ball out quick into space, but a defense that understands the hot read can defend it well.

Nice...you've highlighted what I'd argue is probably Walsh's signature play of Z-In. Between the Z, Y and FB you have the vaunted triangle

Just to illustrate what you are saying even further here are all plays from various noted WCO playbooks (mostly Elder Shanny's 1994 and Bill's 1982 and 1985).






They are labeled as "blitz adjust", "Q", "Quick", "full blitz" or "look quickly"

Originally posted by Niners816:
Nice...you've highlighted what I'd argue is probably Walsh's signature play of Z-In. Between the Z, Y and FB you have the vaunted triangle

Just to illustrate what you are saying even further here are all plays from various noted WCO playbooks (mostly Elder Shanny's 1994 and Bill's 1982 and 1985).






They are labeled as "blitz adjust", "Q", "Quick", "full blitz" or "look quickly"

Is it "Football Season" yet?! sigh...

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Belichick destroyed Walsh in the Playoffs with lawrence taylor. Its not fair to McVay

Not really. In '85 and '86 the Giants had the upper hand with two easy victories. In '84 the Niners won handily. In '90 Roger Craig and Gary Reasons happened. Most, if not all, the regular season contests were close games. That's hardly destroying.

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I'll just post this here as well since it has to do with Kyle

Originally posted by jonnydel:

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I'll just post this here as well since it has to do with Kyle

Nice! Level up on play breakdowns on the Zone

The Shanahan-Effect.

Farcry from the days of Sheep Chryst. And I thought Chip Kelly was an offensive wizard like the media made him to be

Originally posted by NCommand:
The Shanahan-Effect.

#49ers had the 3rd highest YPA (10.2) & 5th highest YPC (5.3) on 1st down in 2018 https://t.co/tXkDlDKLbZ

— Kevin A Molina (@KevinAMolina) February 26, 2019

Still crazy to me how people want him gone

Originally posted by 49erJay:

Still crazy to me how people want him gone

Now THAT would be stupid. At worst case scenario, you force him to sign an experienced veteran GM and DC. But you don't let him walk.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erJay:
Still crazy to me how people want him gone

Now THAT would be stupid. At worst case scenario, you force him to sign an experienced veteran GM and DC. But you don't let him walk.

!!!!!!!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erJay:

Still crazy to me how people want him gone

Now THAT would be stupid. At worst case scenario, you force him to sign an experienced veteran GM and DC. But you don't let him walk.

Agree, no matter how things go this year or next. You give Shanahan a shot with a proven quality GM.

Originally posted by zeppfan1:

Not really. In '85 and '86 the Giants had the upper hand with two easy victories. In '84 the Niners won handily. In '90 Roger Craig and Gary Reasons happened. Most, if not all, the regular season contests were close games. That's hardly destroying.

I think he was talking about this game.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erJay:
Still crazy to me how people want him gone

Now THAT would be stupid. At worst case scenario, you force him to sign an experienced veteran GM and DC. But you don't let him walk.

For real. Good luck getting a competent HC to come in afterwards if Kyle is shown the door. My biggest question about him were answered when he kept the team on board after starting 0-9 and again after last season's bad start. How he kept that lockeroom committed to him after two terrible starts to the season is a minor miracle.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by zeppfan1:
Not really. In '85 and '86 the Giants had the upper hand with two easy victories. In '84 the Niners won handily. In '90 Roger Craig and Gary Reasons happened. Most, if not all, the regular season contests were close games. That's hardly destroying.

I think he was talking about this game.

Yeah, I know, but he made it sound as if it was domination every game.