49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Did anyone mention that Chris Brockman, the on-air producer of The Rich Eisen Show, yesterday gave Kyle his "Coach of the Year" award, when they were doing their awards for the first 4 weeks of the season?

I think the biggest difference in the 2019 offense so far is the variety in the run game. Not that Kyle didn't dial up gap concepts the last two seasons, but the frequency that he is calling power/counter is much more in these three games. The 49ers were, easily, predominantly outside zone in 2018. It's not like that in these first three games.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Goatie:
Shannahan is soooo much better then Mcvey

Is there a reason one has to be sooo much better then the other?

Yes because you see how McVay loses. It is when the opponent stuff their run game that has no fullback. Kyle's run game hardly gets stuffed which means the success SEA had vs McVay won't translate to Kyle's offense.

Sort of a relief.

Yup

I always get you guys user names mixed up

Originally posted by thl408:

I think the biggest difference in the 2019 offense so far is the variety in the run game. Not that Kyle didn't dial up gap concepts the last two seasons, but the frequency that he is calling power/counter is much more in these three games. The 49ers were, easily, predominantly outside zone in 2018. It's not like that in these first three games.

He must have read Grant's article and didn't like how it portrayed his offense not being a WCO.....got back to those "Roots" Dwight Clark was talking about in an attempt to make up for his Dad's offense when he was here

Originally posted by thl408:

I think the biggest difference in the 2019 offense so far is the variety in the run game. Not that Kyle didn't dial up gap concepts the last two seasons, but the frequency that he is calling power/counter is much more in these three games. The 49ers were, easily, predominantly outside zone in 2018. It's not like that in these first three games.

Any guess as to why you think that is? Just evolving his scheme? I mean our OL and RB's are pretty much the same as last year so I'm not sure it's personnel reasons. This misdirection plays seem to be working really well though

Originally posted by Luckycharms:

Originally posted by thl408:
I think the biggest difference in the 2019 offense so far is the variety in the run game. Not that Kyle didn't dial up gap concepts the last two seasons, but the frequency that he is calling power/counter is much more in these three games. The 49ers were, easily, predominantly outside zone in 2018. It's not like that in these first three games.

Any guess as to why you think that is? Just evolving his scheme? I mean our OL and RB's are pretty much the same as last year so I'm not sure it's personnel reasons. This misdirection plays seem to be working really well though

The players know the scheme better. It was simpler last year. Now they know those plays like the back of their hand Shanahan is feeding them some more but more complex ones. It would be hard to teach them all at once and have them execute perfectly. I am guessing the simpler ones are a foundation and the more complex plays build from the foundations.

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by Luckycharms:

Originally posted by thl408:
I think the biggest difference in the 2019 offense so far is the variety in the run game. Not that Kyle didn't dial up gap concepts the last two seasons, but the frequency that he is calling power/counter is much more in these three games. The 49ers were, easily, predominantly outside zone in 2018. It's not like that in these first three games.

Any guess as to why you think that is? Just evolving his scheme? I mean our OL and RB's are pretty much the same as last year so I'm not sure it's personnel reasons. This misdirection plays seem to be working really well though

The players know the scheme better. It was simpler last year. Now they know those plays like the back of their hand Shanahan is feeding them some more but more complex ones. It would be hard to teach them all at once and have them execute perfectly. I am guessing the simpler ones are a foundation and the more complex plays build from the foundations.

The offensive line has been mostly intact this year, and they're the engine that makes this choo-choo go. The injuries to the line made this level of complexity difficult or worse last year.

Originally posted by RTFirefly:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by Luckycharms:

Originally posted by thl408:
I think the biggest difference in the 2019 offense so far is the variety in the run game. Not that Kyle didn't dial up gap concepts the last two seasons, but the frequency that he is calling power/counter is much more in these three games. The 49ers were, easily, predominantly outside zone in 2018. It's not like that in these first three games.

Any guess as to why you think that is? Just evolving his scheme? I mean our OL and RB's are pretty much the same as last year so I'm not sure it's personnel reasons. This misdirection plays seem to be working really well though

The players know the scheme better. It was simpler last year. Now they know those plays like the back of their hand Shanahan is feeding them some more but more complex ones. It would be hard to teach them all at once and have them execute perfectly. I am guessing the simpler ones are a foundation and the more complex plays build from the foundations.

The offensive line has been mostly intact this year, and they're the engine that makes this choo-choo go. The injuries to the line made this level of complexity difficult or worse last year.

And the problem with the OLine is lack of depth. Staley's out, Skule steps up (and it ok so far but for silly penalties) but it is an abyss after that - a black home. It scared me.

Originally posted by Goatie:
And the problem with the OLine is lack of depth. Staley's out, Skule steps up (and it ok so far but for silly penalties) but it is an abyss after that - a black home. It scared me.

Skule has been OK, the 2nd flag on a block in the back was tacky I thought but Skule did the right thing by stopping any chance of Jimmy taking a blind-side hit when he rolled out.

Every other team is the same in terms of OLine depth - there is a lack of talent and the position is one that needs loads of reps and communication with the other players on the line. I actually think we're doing a really good job in drafting late round rookies and coaching them up whilst looking for starters in FA. I suspect in the next few years we'll see some starters come through from later round picks.

Originally posted by Buchy:

Originally posted by Goatie:
And the problem with the OLine is lack of depth. Staley's out, Skule steps up (and it ok so far but for silly penalties) but it is an abyss after that - a black home. It scared me.

Skule has been OK, the 2nd flag on a block in the back was tacky I thought but Skule did the right thing by stopping any chance of Jimmy taking a blind-side hit when he rolled out.

Every other team is the same in terms of OLine depth - there is a lack of talent and the position is one that needs loads of reps and communication with the other players on the line. I actually think we're doing a really good job in drafting late round rookies and coaching them up whilst looking for starters in FA. I suspect in the next few years we'll see some starters come through from later round picks.

I agree that Skule made the best choice of two options there.

In regard to depth our OL has been garbage since 2015. They have had a long time to work on this problem and build depth. It is a failure on successive coaches and management.

You can see the OL is the key to our improved running game as well as protecting JG. It has been doing better then average this season but still a little up and down. Now Staley is injured and Skule has stepped up who is there to replace Skule or McGlinchey if either get hurt? That is what concerns me.

Originally posted by Goatie:

I agree that Skule made the best choice of two options there.

In regard to depth our OL has been garbage since 2015. They have had a long time to work on this problem and build depth. It is a failure on successive coaches and management.

You can see the OL is the key to our improved running game as well as protecting JG. It has been doing better then average this season but still a little up and down. Now Staley is injured and Skule has stepped up who is there to replace Skule or McGlinchey if either get hurt? That is what concerns me.

I think your expectations are pretty unrealistic. Do you follow the rest of the league or just the 49ers? When teams lose two tackles, they are signing random guys off the street. Nobody really has depth that goes four tackles deep. Most teams are just trying to have two good tackles, let alone four.



This isn't college football where rosters go 90 and if you're a school like Bama your third string tackle might be as good as your starter.


In the NFL, if you lose two tackles you are signing guys like Sam Young and hoping for the best. Its the reality of a sport where you have a hard cap and 53 man rosters. You can't just keep 15 OL in auxiliary in the hope that you may need them someday.

Originally posted by thl408:

I think the biggest difference in the 2019 offense so far is the variety in the run game. Not that Kyle didn't dial up gap concepts the last two seasons, but the frequency that he is calling power/counter is much more in these three games. The 49ers were, easily, predominantly outside zone in 2018. It's not like that in these first three games.

So bring back Trenton Brown now? LOL

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Goatie:

I agree that Skule made the best choice of two options there.

In regard to depth our OL has been garbage since 2015. They have had a long time to work on this problem and build depth. It is a failure on successive coaches and management.

You can see the OL is the key to our improved running game as well as protecting JG. It has been doing better then average this season but still a little up and down. Now Staley is injured and Skule has stepped up who is there to replace Skule or McGlinchey if either get hurt? That is what concerns me.

I think your expectations are pretty unrealistic. Do you follow the rest of the league or just the 49ers? When teams lose two tackles, they are signing random guys off the street. Nobody really has depth that goes four tackles deep. Most teams are just trying to have two good tackles, let alone four.



This isn't college football where rosters go 90 and if you're a school like Bama your third string tackle might be as good as your starter.


In the NFL, if you lose two tackles you are signing guys like Sam Young and hoping for the best. Its the reality of a sport where you have a hard cap and 53 man rosters. You can't just keep 15 OL in auxiliary in the hope that you may need them someday.

+1

Originally posted by zeppfan1:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Goatie:

I agree that Skule made the best choice of two options there.

In regard to depth our OL has been garbage since 2015. They have had a long time to work on this problem and build depth. It is a failure on successive coaches and management.

You can see the OL is the key to our improved running game as well as protecting JG. It has been doing better then average this season but still a little up and down. Now Staley is injured and Skule has stepped up who is there to replace Skule or McGlinchey if either get hurt? That is what concerns me.

I think your expectations are pretty unrealistic. Do you follow the rest of the league or just the 49ers? When teams lose two tackles, they are signing random guys off the street. Nobody really has depth that goes four tackles deep. Most teams are just trying to have two good tackles, let alone four.



This isn't college football where rosters go 90 and if you're a school like Bama your third string tackle might be as good as your starter.


In the NFL, if you lose two tackles you are signing guys like Sam Young and hoping for the best. Its the reality of a sport where you have a hard cap and 53 man rosters. You can't just keep 15 OL in auxiliary in the hope that you may need them someday.

+1

Too little too late now. The goal next off season will be to find in the draft, a very talented T and C/G who could upgrade over Tomlinson or Person and provide insurance for Richburg. Naturally, those 2 moves makes your starters better and adds real depth to the OL. As we're learning under Kyle, we go through OL quickly here so carrying 9-10 deep is ideal esp. if we want to make a real run for the 'ship.

Originally posted by LVJay:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Shannahan is soooo much better then Mcvey

Is there a reason one has to be sooo much better then the other?

Yes because you see how McVay loses. It is when the opponent stuff their run game that has no fullback. Kyle's run game hardly gets stuffed which means the success SEA had vs McVay won't translate to Kyle's offense.

Sort of a relief.

Yup

I always get you guys user names mixed up

Seniority rules. But I have gotten used to jcool. I guess it's fine.