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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by Goatie:
I agree that Skule made the best choice of two options there.

In regard to depth our OL has been garbage since 2015. They have had a long time to work on this problem and build depth. It is a failure on successive coaches and management.

You can see the OL is the key to our improved running game as well as protecting JG. It has been doing better then average this season but still a little up and down. Now Staley is injured and Skule has stepped up who is there to replace Skule or McGlinchey if either get hurt? That is what concerns me.


I think your expectations are pretty unrealistic. Do you follow the rest of the league or just the 49ers? When teams lose two tackles, they are signing random guys off the street. Nobody really has depth that goes four tackles deep. Most teams are just trying to have two good tackles, let alone four.



This isn't college football where rosters go 90 and if you're a school like Bama your third string tackle might be as good as your starter.


In the NFL, if you lose two tackles you are signing guys like Sam Young and hoping for the best. Its the reality of a sport where you have a hard cap and 53 man rosters. You can't just keep 15 OL in auxiliary in the hope that you may need them someday.

Not to mention there is a dearth of quality OT's in the league to begin with
  • LVJay
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Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by LVJay:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by Goatie:
Shannahan is soooo much better then Mcvey

Is there a reason one has to be sooo much better then the other?

Yes because you see how McVay loses. It is when the opponent stuff their run game that has no fullback. Kyle's run game hardly gets stuffed which means the success SEA had vs McVay won't translate to Kyle's offense.

Sort of a relief.

Yup

I always get you guys user names mixed up

Seniority rules. But I have gotten used to jcool. I guess it's fine.

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Originally posted by Luckycharms:
Originally posted by thl408:
I think the biggest difference in the 2019 offense so far is the variety in the run game. Not that Kyle didn't dial up gap concepts the last two seasons, but the frequency that he is calling power/counter is much more in these three games. The 49ers were, easily, predominantly outside zone in 2018. It's not like that in these first three games.

Any guess as to why you think that is? Just evolving his scheme? I mean our OL and RB's are pretty much the same as last year so I'm not sure it's personnel reasons. This misdirection plays seem to be working really well though

Yeah just evolving. Getting the same 5 OLmen back means being able to build upon the foundation. Opposing defenses now have to gamelan for all these various types of run concepts while enlisting a scout team fullback to practice against. So many looks to gameplan for when defending the 49ers run game.
Originally posted by Niners816:

Speaking of ZBS and the WCO I was kinda wondering if that was what they were doing in KC in 1993 and 1994. I saw that Alex Gibbs was in KC and I know Paul Hackett was the OC and hell Joe Montana was QB Gonna have to look for some '93 and '94 KC games to see.

I have them on VHS ( or at least some of them) back at my dads house.

They made a huge deal about revamping the KC line to get down to the mobility needed for the WCO.

I think things like Motion and mobility are real hallmarks of Shanny's oline and the WCO way of blocking. You cant watch late 80s and then 90s 49ers and not SEE the WCO. Shanny ran a WCO. The biggest difference was things like putting Watters and Jones in at WR and using trap plays for Marc Logan at FB. Prior to Logan, I don't recall the 49ers running weakside FB trap plays.
Originally posted by Bluesbro:

Dude I heart you!

Hell YES!
Originally posted by thl408:
I think the biggest difference in the 2019 offense so far is the variety in the run game. Not that Kyle didn't dial up gap concepts the last two seasons, but the frequency that he is calling power/counter is much more in these three games. The 49ers were, easily, predominantly outside zone in 2018. It's not like that in these first three games.

Offensive tendency busters.
Originally posted by Jcool:

Jimmy Raye's were better
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Originally posted by Jcool:

Jimmy Raye's were better

I loved those runs right up the middle for 1-2 yards a pop on first/second down. The Raye special: 2 yards and a cloud of dust.
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Jimmy Raye

What team is he with now?
Originally posted by Jcool:

Breida showed a lot of patience and following juice through that hole. The hole was small but the blocking was excellent.
Originally posted by insanemike27:
Originally posted by Jcool:

Breida showed a lot of patience and following juice through that hole. The hole was small but the blocking was excellent.


This is smart. I do note the Browns are weak in their secondaries for this game due to injuries. I will be looking for more passing to stretch our offense to exploit this weakness. Kyle will tie them in knots. He has had two weeks to figure out his master plan.
Originally posted by Goatie:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by Goatie:
Shannahan is soooo much better then Mcvey

Is there a reason one has to be sooo much better then the other?

Yes because you see how McVay loses. It is when the opponent stuff their run game that has no fullback. Kyle's run game hardly gets stuffed which means the success SEA had vs McVay won't translate to Kyle's offense.

Sort of a relief.


It is also a tortious v a hare thing.

Shanahan has been going about building this team slowly and methodically. He hasn't been showing his hand in the past two seasons. Just keeping the scheming simple until he has all of the right talent in place. Strategically this has been brilliant.

Now he has a full deck he is playing his cards. The plays are far more complex this year and have opposition defences chasing their tails. The defense is there to back it up.

His biggest issue will be managing injuries and so far he is doing a good job of this.

Mcvey on the other hand has all his eggs in one basket with a couple of key players doing all of the heavy lifting. Now they, especially Gurley are off the boil, the Rams are not firing as well as they did last year. The depth is not there.

The game against the Cawks yesterday they did not play badly and only lost because of a missed field goal right at the end. But they were not as sharp as they were last year. They were just falling short. Mcvey should have been on top of this and had his pencil sharp. But it has been blunted. In my view the slump in form is on Mcvey and his lack of foresight. Shanahan is more forward thinking.


All good observations, but Rams are the lesser this yr because they don't have Donald AND Suh. That was the BEST interior twosome in the league. And without Suh, Rams D can be beaten. On O, Gurley was healthy back then, He is a totally different, and lesser player, obviously, since his injury.

Last yr our 5 OLs played together all yr. This yr even with Joe out another 4 weeks, we are way better off than the Rams OL which lost both C and OG. Sounds small but that is another huge advantage.

McVay walked into a stacked team but got rattled and lost to bellichek. Should say Goff got rattled .. but BB had mcvay's number. They are a really good team this yr but have just lost their 2nd game in 4 tries. Different team. Also, with Wade Phillips, Mcvay had a top flite DC , ready made and ready to go.

Now , in his 3rd season, Saleh , a completely green DC has some superb DL and DB coaches not to mention the addition of Dee, Nick, Kwon, plus K'uan currently rated by PFF as the best slot corner thru 3 games. Also our DBs are way better than last yr.

Days of Rams just rolling into town and marking up a W are over. Now...they will have to earn it.

And , Mcvay is a good OC. But kyle is a lot better.

First....Cleve ., one game at a time.
I think the Rams defense benefited from several FA signings, but it seems like the FA guys becoming old fat cats fast. Take Clay Matthew's, that dude can get to the Qb, but slow as hell to do anything else. A liability in the run game. I was kinda wished he wasn't injured so Kyle can f**ked him up with the play call.
[ Edited by qnnhan7 on Oct 5, 2019 at 8:23 PM ]
Originally posted by insanemike27:
Originally posted by Jcool:

Breida showed a lot of patience and following juice through that hole. The hole was small but the blocking was excellent.

Awesome stuff by Kyle there
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