49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by susweel:

Jimmy doesn't have the arm strength and deep ball accuracy. That's not his game.

Might be fact...although they seemed to work on it a ton in pre season.

And practice...

Could it be that when McG and Staley went down the first time, we completely altered the offense (short game). When they came back they weren't ready to protect for the deep(er) passes?

It appears Kyle has completely forgot about the deep ball and quick short passes to the Arby's. We need to remind him of his WCO roots. When the run isn't setting up the PA pass, use the short pass as an extension of the run. Then later, bury them with the run in the second half once you've built up the lead.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Can't really dial up long developing pass plays when you're playing with two backup tackles. Everything about their gameplans was oriented towards getting the ball out fast.

Apparently can't dial them up when you're playing with two starting tackles either.

The only questions i had with playcalling.. when we had our game changing 20 second drive. yes i wish we could have ran it a couple of times.. i got no issue with the deebo long pass that did not succeed due to a great play by seattle. i also wonder if instead of running up the gut to fall short of a first down earlier in ot if jimmy could not have faked it and ran to the left. it looked like he had alot of room. thats it.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

And practice...

Could it be that when McG and Staley went down the first time, we completely altered the offense (short game). When they came back they weren't ready to protect for the deep(er) passes?

Not could be, that is exactly what they did, running far more 12 personnel than at anytime that Shanahan has been here.


Trying to run long developing pass plays with OL deficiencies is what Mike Martz used to specialize in and it got his QBs killed.

Originally posted by okdkid:

Apparently can't dial them up when you're playing with two starting tackles either.

Not when they are both rusty as hell and really shouldn't have been out there.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

And practice...

Could it be that when McG and Staley went down the first time, we completely altered the offense (short game). When they came back they weren't ready to protect for the deep(er) passes?

Not could be, that is exactly what they did, running far more 12 personnel than at anytime that Shanahan has been here.


Trying to run long developing pass plays with OL deficiencies is what Mike Martz used to specialize in and it got his QBs killed.

But it was so fun! LOL

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Apparently can't dial them up when you're playing with two starting tackles either.

Not when they are both rusty as hell and really shouldn't have been out there.

...and getting abused.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NinerGM:
And practice...

Could it be that when McG and Staley went down the first time, we completely altered the offense (short game). When they came back they weren't ready to protect for the deep(er) passes?

Not could be, that is exactly what they did, running far more 12 personnel than at anytime that Shanahan has been here.

Trying to run long developing pass plays with OL deficiencies is what Mike Martz used to specialize in and it got his QBs killed.

Shanny is known to have game plans to attack very specific aspects of a team's defense. Coming into the game the Seattle DBs had been really bad, so having deeper passes in the gameplan this week made perfect sense. Problem was that Seattle's bad DBs >>>> SF's bad WRs, and Staley/McGlinchey also couldn't do their job against Clowney. Clowney had been pretty bad at edge rushing this season, so not a bad gameplan by Shanny there, either. On paper. Games aren't won on paper.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Apparently can't dial them up when you're playing with two starting tackles either.

Not when they are both rusty as hell and really shouldn't have been out there.

...and getting abused.

If they weren't ready then shouldn't be playing.

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

When sanders arrived it shouted loud & clear how good this team can be w/quality WR.

We don't have that. Deebo has the potential to reach that level and Hurd is an untested guy at this point.

IMO, based on how this season turns out, we'll need to take a serious look at saying good bye to Goodwyn and Bourne.

And either pay a top tier FA and/or draft he best we can.

Pettis is very inexpensive but at best inconsistent. One more year to prove it.

IMHO, Sanders is a stop-gap, over 30 WR with a significant injury history. This team needs a young, proven, durable WR. Since we have trouble drafting those, we're going to have to find one via FA. That means we might need to get creative with cap space.

Shanny needs to accept the fact that Jimmy ain't SPECIAL yet, and it's not going to help if Shanny keeps giving him WRs that aren't legit in this league.

Wilson showed us last night how special he is, and can you imagine how much more damage he can do once Metcalf and Gordon gets comfy w/their offense.

Wilson had a passer rating under 90 last night, he is over 110 for the season. Shanahan and the offense made it so easy for Wilson. No scoring drives of 50 yards or more. They scored a TD on defense, one after getting the ball inside the 49ers 20 and another after getting the ball inside the 25.

Poor Saleh

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
When sanders arrived it shouted loud & clear how good this team can be w/quality WR.

We don't have that. Deebo has the potential to reach that level and Hurd is an untested guy at this point.

IMO, based on how this season turns out, we'll need to take a serious look at saying good bye to Goodwyn and Bourne.

And either pay a top tier FA and/or draft he best we can.

Pettis is very inexpensive but at best inconsistent. One more year to prove it.

IMHO, Sanders is a stop-gap, over 30 WR with a significant injury history. This team needs a young, proven, durable WR. Since we have trouble drafting those, we're going to have to find one via FA. That means we might need to get creative with cap space.

Shanny needs to accept the fact that Jimmy ain't SPECIAL yet, and it's not going to help if Shanny keeps giving him WRs that aren't legit in this league.

Wilson showed us last night how special he is, and can you imagine how much more damage he can do once Metcalf and Gordon gets comfy w/their offense.

Wilson had a passer rating under 90 last night, he is over 110 for the season. Shanahan and the offense made it so easy for Wilson. No scoring drives of 50 yards or more. They scored a TD on defense, one after getting the ball inside the 49ers 20 and another after getting the ball inside the 25.

Poor Saleh

You guys say all of this stuff as though the way Seattle's defense played had nothing to do with the struggles of the 49ers offense. Regardless of where they may rank statistically, which people were using all week to justify their predictions of a SF blowout, Carroll and Norton had those guys ready to play. They deserve a lot of credit for stuffing the running game and forcing Shanahan to dial up almost 50 passing attempts which really isn't the 49ers' game. Credit where credit is due I say. Yeah, Jimmy struggled and his receivers let him down more than a few times but Seattle had a lot to do with that. Before the game commentators were talking about how this game marked a return of the power struggle for dominance in the NFC West between these two teams. The way I recall it is that Seattle has mostly kicked our ass for the last decade. Not sure why this outcome should be a surprise to anyone.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

And practice...

Could it be that when McG and Staley went down the first time, we completely altered the offense (short game). When they came back they weren't ready to protect for the deep(er) passes?

Not could be, that is exactly what they did, running far more 12 personnel than at anytime that Shanahan has been here.

Trying to run long developing pass plays with OL deficiencies is what Mike Martz used to specialize in and it got his QBs killed.

Shanny is known to have game plans to attack very specific aspects of a team's defense. Coming into the game the Seattle DBs had been really bad, so having deeper passes in the gameplan this week made perfect sense. Problem was that Seattle's bad DBs >>>> SF's bad WRs, and Staley/McGlinchey also couldn't do their job against Clowney. Clowney had been pretty bad at edge rushing this season, so not a bad gameplan by Shanny there, either. On paper. Games aren't won on paper.

I find it hard to believe Staley and mglintchey weren't getting abused all week in practice up to the game by ford/bosa/buckner. Clowney isn't even as good as those guys.

Kyle made a boner f**king the offensive line chemistry up before a big game. What's funny is that he scripted them both to return for this game since their timetables began. You wanna believe it's a "pride" thing with the starters, but any smart coach would have rolled another week with the hot hand. Skulle and Brunskill's grades were triple ahead of any defensive lineman in Seattle.

Makes you wonder more if the fix was on on all sides. What if like we just took a sacrifice to crush them later on in the playoffs? You know Colin Cowherd always brings up how Belichick does that s**t, Bill likes to play possum, get a taste, and then it's over. That conspiracy actually came out amongst Pats fans after their perfect season went kaput.

they are talking about Jimmy, but is this more on Kyle?

is there anything he can do?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001076164/article/seahawks-hand-49ers-their-first-defeat-in-wild-monday-night-affair

Seattle defenders seemed to have a read on Garoppolo all night, sometimes running the route better than the receivers. Wagner said some of that had to do with familiarity and film study.

"They're a team that runs so many different things that it's hard to get a tendency, but I felt like the last couple of times that we played them we were able to figure out what they were doing," he said. "Because they run so many different things, it's a game where you have to be disciplined, and you just have to read your keys. It becomes kind of like simple football: Read your keys, and it will take you to the football. Once we started reading keys, me and K.J. started hearing the calls and picked up on the checks he was making, and it allowed us to break faster."

I'm not too worried about the rest of the season because of this game, Seattle played their ass off (motivated to be the first to beat us)... we didn't have Kittle and Sanders....and we made a gazzilon simple mistakes (like we have at times this season) yet we almost won.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
When sanders arrived it shouted loud & clear how good this team can be w/quality WR.

We don't have that. Deebo has the potential to reach that level and Hurd is an untested guy at this point.

IMO, based on how this season turns out, we'll need to take a serious look at saying good bye to Goodwyn and Bourne.

And either pay a top tier FA and/or draft he best we can.

Pettis is very inexpensive but at best inconsistent. One more year to prove it.

IMHO, Sanders is a stop-gap, over 30 WR with a significant injury history. This team needs a young, proven, durable WR. Since we have trouble drafting those, we're going to have to find one via FA. That means we might need to get creative with cap space.

Agree

Just a matter of time before the OBJ posts start.