49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Kyle is gonna have to go back to the drawing board with his passing attack. Kittle will be out a while and probably Sanders, too. Our other "WRs" can't run the gameplan he had for Seattle. I think he has been wanting to start pushing the ball downfield more but we cant do it. Kyle is gonna have to do get his inner wizard going and re-do his passing attack.

Originally posted by Antix:

Kyle is gonna have to go back to the drawing board with his passing attack. Kittle will be out a while and probably Sanders, too. Our other "WRs" can't run the gameplan he had for Seattle. I think he has been wanting to start pushing the ball downfield more but we cant do it. Kyle is gonna have to do get his inner wizard going and re-do his passing attack.

And order more stickum for Bourne.

Do you guys think Kyle got out coached?

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Do you guys think Kyle got out coached?

I think Kyle likes to "outsmart" people. He gets too cute, especially in the red zone. I also think Kyle is stubborn. I believe those two aspects of his personality were to blame.

That isn't to take anything away from Seattle's coaches. I just don't think they had a very tough job last night.

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Goatie:
All true. But our run game was not effective. No opening lanes in the zone. Zip. Seatoots run defense was awesomely effective. They stacked the box and smothered us. But Kyle should have adjusted. He didn't. There was no plan B or C or D. I was very disappointed with this and it only is topped but the butter fingers of guys who should catch 90% of the balls but dropped 100% ie Pettis and Goodwin. Bourne wasn't much better. But the buck stops with Kyle for the loss. I am sure he will learn from it but Pettis and Goodwin are lost causes.

The only way you adjust to a loaded box is by passing until the defense is forced out if it. If Sanders and Kittle had been out there, they would not have been able to keep doing it. It was less about strategy and more about personnel. When the other team sells out to stop the run and your OL can't pass block and your receivers can't catch, you're screwed.

I don't know if I agree with this completely. I've see us run this year against loaded boxes. I think the game plan was to take advantage of their secondary with Sanders as the primary attack piece. It seems to me they didn't go back to what they were attempting to do with 12 or 22 personnel after they lost both tackles earlier this season. The runs were not OZ for the most part - a staple. Given our success at a myriad of OZ, it seemed like that wasn't even in the playbook. When we did run, it was almost exclusively inside - with undersized Breida on a bad ankle - right into the teeth of the defense. I think there was so much confidence in the film study, and so much confidence in Staley and McG returning with Juice, there seemed to be an almost "you-can't-stop-us-attitude" with the 21 look and a lot of (possibly over confidence) in the OL's ability along with Juice blocking. Kittle's loss as a blocker in the run game was also underestimated.

When they lost Sanders, it just seemed Kyle had nothing left, there was no plan to do anything else really but run inside and passes 9 - 12 yards pass patters, slants to Deebo here and there. Most of the passes required Jimmy to hold because after Sanders it was clear to the Hawks the "vets" in Pettis, Goodwin and Bourne wouldn't regularly get open. This was established on film already and when Carrol knew Kittle wasn't playing, that was it. He didn't need to double anyone outside of Sanders. Once they knocked him out of the game, the only game plane we had was doomed to produce.

Phoenix I'm honestly shocked Kyle doesn't have contingency game plans where he can switch approaches and feature a different approach/attack. We attempted a couple of screens, but this all goes back to the effectiveness of the OL. As NC has said, and you and I have chatted about, the OL just wasn't moving well and this was *before* Richburg came out for a series. The bookend tackles seemed to upset all the blocking on the line. Steelers did the same, the Browns tried, the Panthers started out that way but Kyle has a lot more experience diagnosing and defeating Rivera than he does Carroll.

Against Seattle? I guess it's hard to change your approach when your OL can't do much to help. I don't know what everyone really learns from this.

Asking Bourne, Pettis and Goodwin to catch more is futile to me. We know who they are and maybe they get a little better but I don't expect much.
Asking Deebo to become more consistent is an option, but the good-looking rook is still learning and Wes needs to make them all spend time with the jugs machine.
Hoping Sanders and Kittle come back from injury is an option, but hoping they heal really isn't a "plan."

Could the assessment of the OL been too lenient? As someone pointed out, what the hell were practices like against Bosa and Ford if Clowney was wrecking havoc?

I know it's just one game and I guess if we lost with protection and with a versatile game plan, even with drops, I guess I could be okay with that versus what I saw last night.

I have more questions for Kyle than answers. I think we all do.

Your thoughts man.

The buck stops entirely with Kyle and Lynch. They are giving scrub WRs too much time and are wasting roster spots.

They have been way too lenient with the assessment of the O-line. The Staley and McGlinchey issue didn't just start this game, it has been there for a long while. To be honest, is more than that, Weston Richburg deemed not good enough (in terms of pass protection) for the Giants can play for the 9ers only because of his run blocking ability. Only Jimmy G masked it when he first joined the team and was able to throw all those slants and getting the ball out so quick. I have always been critical on Kyle's choice of O-linemen. All he cares about is the run and because his scheme is outside zone, he keeps signing undersized linemen who can run block. But, when it comes to pass protection, they are next to useless. Did anyone know the 49ers O-line is the lightest in the entire NFL??? Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

Boy, I was shocked Clowney could just tee off at Jimmy G at will as if the whole O-line were just a bunch of cotton balls. Is no brain surgery, if you can't protect your QB, you are not going to win many games or shall I say big games. And get this, the Seahawks were never big on sacks and yet the 9ers O-line made him look like a future HOF EDGE!!

Bottom line is this. The emphasis of O-linemen selection criteria should shift back more towards players with more size and bulk who can actually move people and protect. Besides, when the Seahawks stacked the box, these so-called skinnier and more shifty run blocking linemen couldn't run block to open up running lanes anyway.

I watched the game again, yes Jimmy G didn't play his best game, many analysts even said he was scared. But, could you blame him? He was getting killed all night by Clowney and Staley did sweet FA to protect him. You couple that with the drops from the WRs, how many were there? 9 or something? How can your QB play well for you?

Originally posted by tankle104:

Kyle has answers, we were in position to win. It's the execution that was terrible. Our tackles got beat to death, WR couldn't catch (9 DROPPED PASSES YESTERDAY) and prolly the worst kick I've ever seen in my f**king life lol high school included

Honestly this game was not such a big deal in the scheme of things. I dont think kyle wanted to show everything against a playoff team with no guns on week 9. Seattle showed a lot we didnt. Thats to our advantage in January.

I can't believe that some are trying to pin this loss on Kyle's play calls.

1. He didn't have Kittle, Sanders, Brieda, and Coleman (Wilson was inactive so Mostert was his only available RB) at the end of the game and yet he called a 2nd down play when Pettis was open for a first down and dropped it, and a 3rd down play where if Shaq misses the ball Deebo scores a TD.

2. 5 sacks, 2 lost fumbles, a INT through a WRs hands that would have been a 1st down, and 7 dropped passes, most of which, if caught, would have moved the sticks, and extended drives, 2 of them, if caught, would have put the offense inside the 10 yard line, both of which would have gave them 1st and goal. I guess some could argue that he trusted his players too much, but it's not like he was calling 9 step drops and waiting for all of these deep routes to develop, our OL was just getting beat on runs and passes, our WRs we're dropping passes, and our TEs couldn't get open against the LBs and safeties, which allowed them to stay in base and stack the box even more.

3. The Saints score 9 points (no TDs) against the Falcons with all of their starters playing the whole game. We scored more than they did, against arguably a better defense and defensive coaches in the 1st Quarter alone on Monday. Did Dan Quinn "out coach" Sean Payton? Was Payton not creative with his play calling? Did he not have a plan B, or C, or D?

Not much a play caller can do when his players aren't executing. Some would argue, that personnel issues fall under Kyle's purview as well, which is true. However, how different would the offense have looked on Monday with a healthy Taylor and Hurd, and/or Pettis playing like he did at the end of the season last year, and/or Goodwin playing like he did in 2017 and/or Staley and McGlinchey blocking like they did before their injuries?

If Kyle took 3 knees and the tie on Monday, he would be getting equally as crushed right now as well. Bottom line is, we are lucky to have a play caller like him, and as long as he is in charge of our offense, they will be fine.

Until we get Kittle and Sanders back, it's going to have to be a heavy dose of the running game.

Originally posted by mayo49:
Until we get Kittle and Sanders back, it's going to have to be a heavy dose of the running game.

Not if the opposing D-line get a bunch of huge run stuffers to stop you. You saw what happened in the Seahawks game right?

The "Beat the 9ers" methodology has already been formulated:

1) Make sure you have huge run stuffers on your D-line to clog up the lanes to stop the run.

2) Make sure you have a healthy rotation of pass rushers to attack the tackles who are straight trash which will scare Jimmy G giving him happy feet.

3) Then play man cover to stop the sh*tty WRs from getting open and make Jimmy G beat you throwing the ball.

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
Not much a play caller can do when his players aren't executing. Some would argue, that personnel issues fall under Kyle's purview as well, which is true. However, how different would the offense have looked on Monday with a healthy Taylor and Hurd, and/or Pettis playing like he did at the end of the season last year, and/or Goodwin playing like he did in 2017 and/or Staley and McGlinchey blocking like they did before their injuries?

If Kyle took 3 knees and the tie on Monday, he would be getting equally as crushed right now as well. Bottom line is, we are lucky to have a play caller like him, and as long as he is in charge of our offense, they will be fine.

I can't say I agree with any of your points.

Taking 3 knees? Listen to yourself. You act as if we no choice but to give them the ball back with plenty of time against a defense who was asked to do too much already.

He could have called plays that resulted in yardage but didn't necessarily stop the clock.

We had personnel to do it.

Ive really soured on some aspects of his play calling. Not every game can be against an overmatched opponent.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Until we get Kittle and Sanders back, it's going to have to be a heavy dose of the running game.

Not if the opposing D-line get a bunch of huge run stuffers to stop you. You saw what happened in the Seahawks game right?

The "Beat the 9ers" methodology has already been formulated:

1) Make sure you have huge run stuffers on your D-line to clog up the lanes to stop the run.

2) Make sure you have a healthy rotation of pass rushers to attack the tackles who are straight trash which will scare Jimmy G giving him happy feet.

3) Then play man cover to stop the sh*tty WRs from getting open and make Jimmy G beat you throwing the ball.

Yeah, that's why I think it's going to be tough sledding the next couple of games. It's going to be brutal against the Packers, Ravens and Saints.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Until we get Kittle and Sanders back, it's going to have to be a heavy dose of the running game.

Not if the opposing D-line get a bunch of huge run stuffers to stop you. You saw what happened in the Seahawks game right?

The "Beat the 9ers" methodology has already been formulated:

1) Make sure you have huge run stuffers on your D-line to clog up the lanes to stop the run.

2) Make sure you have a healthy rotation of pass rushers to attack the tackles who are straight trash which will scare Jimmy G giving him happy feet.

3) Then play man cover to stop the sh*tty WRs from getting open and make Jimmy G beat you throwing the ball.

Yeah, that's why I think it's going to be tough sledding the next couple of games. It's going to be brutal against the Packers, Ravens and Saints.

We don't have enough decent WRs to get the job done. May be we should have kept Jordan Mathews? Is a bit late now, he is back with the Eagles.

So, we only have 4 left that we can play? Deebo, Pettis, KB and James? Goodwin is in the dog house right? Man, that is a pathetic WR corps.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Until we get Kittle and Sanders back, it's going to have to be a heavy dose of the running game.

Not if the opposing D-line get a bunch of huge run stuffers to stop you. You saw what happened in the Seahawks game right?

The "Beat the 9ers" methodology has already been formulated:

1) Make sure you have huge run stuffers on your D-line to clog up the lanes to stop the run.

2) Make sure you have a healthy rotation of pass rushers to attack the tackles who are straight trash which will scare Jimmy G giving him happy feet.

3) Then play man cover to stop the sh*tty WRs from getting open and make Jimmy G beat you throwing the ball.

Yeah, that's why I think it's going to be tough sledding the next couple of games. It's going to be brutal against the Packers, Ravens and Saints.

We don't have enough decent WRs to get the job done. May be we should have kept Jordan Mathews? Is a bit late now, he is back with the Eagles.

So, we only have 4 left that we can play? Deebo, Pettis, KB and James? Goodwin is in the dog house right? Man, that is a pathetic WR corps.

Do we sign Dez Bryant? We're basically in survivor mode at this point.

It took 4 shots from top teams(Steelers, Rams, Panthers, and Seahawks) to dethrone us from being undefeated.

It only took one shot from 1 top team(Ravens) to do the same to the Patriots.

KS and the Niners are more superior than the #1 team in the NFL. Our tough schedule should prepare us for a long run deep into the playoffs, even if we lose one or two games left on our schedule. NFCCG or SB this season is not a reach for this team.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Until we get Kittle and Sanders back, it's going to have to be a heavy dose of the running game.

Not if the opposing D-line get a bunch of huge run stuffers to stop you. You saw what happened in the Seahawks game right?

The "Beat the 9ers" methodology has already been formulated:

1) Make sure you have huge run stuffers on your D-line to clog up the lanes to stop the run.

2) Make sure you have a healthy rotation of pass rushers to attack the tackles who are straight trash which will scare Jimmy G giving him happy feet.

3) Then play man cover to stop the sh*tty WRs from getting open and make Jimmy G beat you throwing the ball.

Yeah, that's why I think it's going to be tough sledding the next couple of games. It's going to be brutal against the Packers, Ravens and Saints.

We don't have enough decent WRs to get the job done. May be we should have kept Jordan Mathews? Is a bit late now, he is back with the Eagles.

So, we only have 4 left that we can play? Deebo, Pettis, KB and James? Goodwin is in the dog house right? Man, that is a pathetic WR corps.

Do we sign Dez Bryant? We're basically in survivor mode at this point.

Who else is in the market?

Dez Bryant? Didn't he fall off the cliff before he left the Cowboys?

At this point, they should just bring in a bunch of people and work them out and go from there.

May be get TO to come in too. LOL.