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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
True, but it's not a bad thing either to have big receivers, Pittsburgh and New England both have been trying to acquire them. From Plaxico Burress to JuJu Smith-Schuster and Randy Moss (16-0 with NE) to Mohamed Sanu. Besides, the 49ers have those shorter-quicker receivers in Emmanuel Sanders and Deebo Samuels.

Juju is 6-1. Hardly big.

Randy Moss was acquired because he is Randy fing Moss.

Yeah Deebo is like a inch shorter and is the same weight as juju

It's also worth noting that on my list above, Randy Moss is the ONLY receiver in the top 15 taller than 6'3".
Outside that, you have Brandon Marshall at #19 and then Calvin Johnson at 27, I think. Starts getting hard there because there's a few TE's in there and some guys who played well before my time that I'm too lazy to look up if they were a WR or a TE.
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
True, but it's not a bad thing either to have big receivers, Pittsburgh and New England both have been trying to acquire them. From Plaxico Burress to JuJu Smith-Schuster and Randy Moss (16-0 with NE) to Mohamed Sanu. Besides, the 49ers have those shorter-quicker receivers in Emmanuel Sanders and Deebo Samuels.

Juju is 6-1. Hardly big.

Randy Moss was acquired because he is Randy fing Moss.

Yeah Deebo is like a inch shorter and is the same weight as juju

It's also worth noting that on my list above, Randy Moss is the ONLY receiver in the top 15 taller than 6'3".
Outside that, you have Brandon Marshall at #19 and then Calvin Johnson at 27, I think. Starts getting hard there because there's a few TE's in there and some guys who played well before my time that I'm too lazy to look up if they were a WR or a TE.

Yup, I don't even know what constitutes as a big Wr?

I just want dependability. Hopkins has some of the best hands in football. Dude is a beast and is 6-1 212lbs. Most wouldn't say that's big...
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Also, there's 3, my bad. Forgot Andre Johnson. There's conflicting things about Fitz, some places say 6'2" some 6'3"
Here's the list, just for the convo:
Jerry Rice
Larry Fitzgerald
Terrel Owens
Randy Moss
Isaac Bruce*
Tim Brown*
Steve Smith*
Marvin Harrison*
Reggie Wayne*
Andre Johnson
Chris Carter
Anquan Boldin
Henry Ellard*
Torrey Holt*
An asterisk denotes 6'0" or under.


Thanks for that!!

Facts are great.
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Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
True, but it's not a bad thing either to have big receivers, Pittsburgh and New England both have been trying to acquire them. From Plaxico Burress to JuJu Smith-Schuster and Randy Moss (16-0 with NE) to Mohamed Sanu. Besides, the 49ers have those shorter-quicker receivers in Emmanuel Sanders and Deebo Samuels.

Juju is 6-1. Hardly big.

Randy Moss was acquired because he is Randy fing Moss.

But is JuJu Smith-Schuster small at 6'1" 210 pounds?
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Originally posted by TheRickestRick:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by Scottie15:
Been saying this for awhile by NY keeps saying I have a fetish for big receivers. They just bring more to the table when the stakes are high.

Julian Edelman
Santonio Holmes
Hines Ward
Deion Branch

All are SB MVP's, meaning they played when the stakes were highest, they showed up and showed out. None are big receivers and not a single big receiver has won a SB MVP in the last 20 years.

Good receivers regardless of size > Big receivers.

True, but it's not a bad thing either to have big receivers, Pittsburgh and New England both have been trying to acquire them. From Plaxico Burress to JuJu Smith-Schuster and Randy Moss (16-0 with NE) to Mohamed Sanu. Besides, the 49ers have those shorter-quicker receivers in Emmanuel Sanders and Deebo Samuels.

Lets be honest, New England nor Pittsburg could give 2 sh*ts about WR height.. they only care if they can do their job and will be where they need to be. Randel El, A. Brown, Sanders, Troy Brown, Deion Branch, Edelman, Amendola, Dorsett and Cooks. Recently they have actually struck out more often than not going chasing taller WR's, which happens to allot of teams. They tried to be a SizeQueen and learned their lesson. Unless a tall WR falls in their laps they just go with who they consider to be the best for their scheme, size is an afterthought. Most of the taller wide receivers dont last long on either of those teams.

Wouldnt even include Moss or Gordon to be perfectly honest. The niners traded up with New England and gave them an extra 4th which they used to get Moss. They basically deferred their 1st round pick that year to jump 20+ spots in the next years 1st round and got Moss for that 4th, a future HOF'er that was discontent cause he didnt want to waste his career losing with the sh*t show that was the Lane Kiffin raiders. F*cking steal if Ive ever seen one. Gordon... he's a flier like Brown, you either adhere to the Brady/Belicheck way or GTFO.

Right, I know Shanahan puts a lot of stock into speed and route running as well as pass catching. It's not like I just want some slow-tall receiver that just wins on jump balls. Of course what I'm also looking for is route running, consistent hands as well as speed, but let's not act like tall receivers in the league are against the religion in the NFL, they do play a role and that's all I'm looking to add.

People act like Shanahan HASN'T worked with tall and big receivers either, wherever he's gone he's made it work. I also get the sense that Shanahan was thinking the same this off season when Shawn Poindexter Jordan Matthews, Jalen Hurd and tried to trade for Mohammed Sanu. I mean with all injuries happening to the 9ers receivers lately, why not try and add a receiver with size that can withstand and take on NFL hits on a consistent basis.
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
True, but it's not a bad thing either to have big receivers, Pittsburgh and New England both have been trying to acquire them. From Plaxico Burress to JuJu Smith-Schuster and Randy Moss (16-0 with NE) to Mohamed Sanu. Besides, the 49ers have those shorter-quicker receivers in Emmanuel Sanders and Deebo Samuels.

Juju is 6-1. Hardly big.

Randy Moss was acquired because he is Randy fing Moss.

Yeah Deebo is like a inch shorter and is the same weight as juju

It's also worth noting that on my list above, Randy Moss is the ONLY receiver in the top 15 taller than 6'3".
Outside that, you have Brandon Marshall at #19 and then Calvin Johnson at 27, I think. Starts getting hard there because there's a few TE's in there and some guys who played well before my time that I'm too lazy to look up if they were a WR or a TE.

Yup, I don't even know what constitutes as a big Wr?

I just want dependability. Hopkins has some of the best hands in football. Dude is a beast and is 6-1 212lbs. Most wouldn't say that's big...

IMO, 6'1" 215 is what I see as a big WR. I'm not necessarily looking for a 6'4" 220 pound receiver. Like you said in another thread, I just want one with consistent hands.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
IMO, 6'1" 215 is what I see as a big WR. I'm not necessarily looking for a 6'4" 220 pound receiver. Like you said in another thread, I just want one with consistent hands.

Gotcha, I will say Deebo is like 6-0 220 but yeah big small just need consistency. That's why I loved Q he wasn't dropping s**t.
well I the problem with small receivers ,is when you play physical teams they can not take a pounding when blocking or the ability to separate.last was a indication that we need size speed and durability....
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Right, I know Shanahan puts a lot of stock into speed and route running as well as pass catching. It's not like I just want some slow-tall receiver that just wins on jump balls. Of course what I'm also looking for is route running, consistent hands as well as speed, but let's not act like tall receivers in the league are against the religion in the NFL, they do play a role and that's all I'm looking to add.

People act like Shanahan HASN'T worked with tall and big receivers either, wherever he's gone he's made it work. I also get the sense that Shanahan was thinking the same this off season when Shawn Poindexter Jordan Matthews, Jalen Hurd and tried to trade for Mohammed Sanu. I mean with all injuries happening to the 9ers receivers lately, why not try and add a receiver with size that can withstand and take on NFL hits on a consistent basis.

Jordan Matthews has gotten hurt a bunch in his career. Poindexter got hurt. Jalen has been hurt. Just because your big doesn't mean you won't get injured. While you may be able to absorb a hit you also have more surface area to take one too.

Every player is one hit from an injury.
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Originally posted by Hurd14:
well I the problem with small receivers ,is when you play physical teams they can not take a pounding when blocking or the ability to separate.last was a indication that we need size speed and durability....

Would be nice if your back healed and started practicing to be that big WR you're talking about.
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Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Right, I know Shanahan puts a lot of stock into speed and route running as well as pass catching. It's not like I just want some slow-tall receiver that just wins on jump balls. Of course what I'm also looking for is route running, consistent hands as well as speed, but let's not act like tall receivers in the league are against the religion in the NFL, they do play a role and that's all I'm looking to add.

People act like Shanahan HASN'T worked with tall and big receivers either, wherever he's gone he's made it work. I also get the sense that Shanahan was thinking the same this off season when Shawn Poindexter Jordan Matthews, Jalen Hurd and tried to trade for Mohammed Sanu. I mean with all injuries happening to the 9ers receivers lately, why not try and add a receiver with size that can withstand and take on NFL hits on a consistent basis.

Jordan Matthews has gotten hurt a bunch in his career. Poindexter got hurt. Jalen has been hurt. Just because your big doesn't mean you won't get injured. While you may be able to absorb a hit you also have more surface area to take one too.

Every player is one hit from an injury.

And Anquan Boldin from 2008 to 2016 only missed 12 games, also played in times where they didn't have defenseless receiver rule. How about Julio Jones from 2014 to 2018 only missed 3 games. AJ Green from 2011 to 2017 only 9 games missed. Very true though, every player is one hit away from injury, but if you think about it bigger receivers take on more damage than a smaller receiver. They don't have the speed or quickness as some of the smaller defenders so they have to use force to gain a few extra yards or use their bodies to shield off or wall off defenders.

All I'm saying is, it can't hurt to have a Josh Gordon, DK Metcalf or Dez Bryant type receiver on the team. It's not like I wanna just revamp the receiving corp with a bunch of JJ Stokes.
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Hurd14:
well I the problem with small receivers ,is when you play physical teams they can not take a pounding when blocking or the ability to separate.last was a indication that we need size speed and durability....

Would be nice if your back healed and started practicing to be that big WR you're talking about.

Maybe this IS Hurd!
Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Hurd14:
well I the problem with small receivers ,is when you play physical teams they can not take a pounding when blocking or the ability to separate.last was a indication that we need size speed and durability....

Would be nice if your back healed and started practicing to be that big WR you're talking about.

Maybe this IS Hurd!


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Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Right, I know Shanahan puts a lot of stock into speed and route running as well as pass catching. It's not like I just want some slow-tall receiver that just wins on jump balls. Of course what I'm also looking for is route running, consistent hands as well as speed, but let's not act like tall receivers in the league are against the religion in the NFL, they do play a role and that's all I'm looking to add.

People act like Shanahan HASN'T worked with tall and big receivers either, wherever he's gone he's made it work. I also get the sense that Shanahan was thinking the same this off season when Shawn Poindexter Jordan Matthews, Jalen Hurd and tried to trade for Mohammed Sanu. I mean with all injuries happening to the 9ers receivers lately, why not try and add a receiver with size that can withstand and take on NFL hits on a consistent basis.

Jordan Matthews has gotten hurt a bunch in his career. Poindexter got hurt. Jalen has been hurt. Just because your big doesn't mean you won't get injured. While you may be able to absorb a hit you also have more surface area to take one too.

Every player is one hit from an injury.

And Anquan Boldin from 2008 to 2016 only missed 12 games, also played in times where they didn't have defenseless receiver rule. How about Julio Jones from 2014 to 2018 only missed 3 games. AJ Green from 2011 to 2017 only 9 games missed. Very true though, every player is one hit away from injury, but if you think about it bigger receivers take on more damage than a smaller receiver. They don't have the speed or quickness as some of the smaller defenders so they have to use force to gain a few extra yards or use their bodies to shield off or wall off defenders.

All I'm saying is, it can't hurt to have a Josh Gordon, DK Metcalf or Dez Bryant type receiver on the team. It's not like I wanna just revamp the receiving corp with a bunch of JJ Stokes.

You can also look at Rob Gronkowski cutting his career short with all the damage he took. Health is a luck thing in the NFL.
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