49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

The last two games have been as close to the positionless-offense as I've ever seen.

This game will have ripple effects throughout the league.

Kyle is the man. He may be stubborn or arrogant sometimes with his playcall but damn is he an offensive genius.
And the most important thing is that not only he didn´t lose his team after the Miami debacle but he put two offensive masterpieces back to back.
And kudos to Saleh who is doing a hell of a job this season with all the injuries.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:
lol wtf is this garbage
https://www.49erswebzone.com/commentary/2495-shanahan-young-fearless-coachs-old-school-mentality-holding-49ers/

I only made it halfway through then tapped out. Article focused on how Kyle wants to run the ball a lot failing to find the correlation that if you run the ball a lot, it also means you are converting 3rd downs, and retaining possession. Once the article said something about having his dog call run plays I stopped reading.

cant believe this made it to the front page

Kyle and his Dad when they see teams drafting RBs

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Kyle's last two games have been jewels. He was on fire in both and his players knew it. Those 3 losses still bug me but what the heck, kyle is back. I think he gotten a bit drifty for a couple of those losses, but Lordy, he had it all together tonite.

It was a true team win, but kyle led his guys, make no mistake about that.

Yes, Kyle finally realized that to win he has to hide Garoppolo. Unfortunately, it is not sustainable, and he knows it.

Originally posted by Gabberwocky:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Kyle's last two games have been jewels. He was on fire in both and his players knew it. Those 3 losses still bug me but what the heck, kyle is back. I think he gotten a bit drifty for a couple of those losses, but Lordy, he had it all together tonite.

It was a true team win, but kyle led his guys, make no mistake about that.

Yes, Kyle finally realized that to win he has to hide Garoppolo. Unfortunately, it is not sustainable, and he knows it.

Wot?

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Gabberwocky:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Kyle's last two games have been jewels. He was on fire in both and his players knew it. Those 3 losses still bug me but what the heck, kyle is back. I think he gotten a bit drifty for a couple of those losses, but Lordy, he had it all together tonite.

It was a true team win, but kyle led his guys, make no mistake about that.

Yes, Kyle finally realized that to win he has to hide Garoppolo. Unfortunately, it is not sustainable, and he knows it.

Wot?

Friend English, surely you realized that half of Jimmy's completions were at or behind the line of scrimmage, and an similar story occurred the previous week? This is what is necessary when your QB is so inconsistent. I pray that Jimmy comes out of his miasma and becomes the flagrant blue rose he is meant to be, but I cannot admit to faith that it will happen.

Until then, Kyle must continue to use as many -2 yard passes in space as possible, utilizing the brilliance of the YAC Brothers.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Kyle and his Dad when they see teams drafting RBs

Bobby Turner

Originally posted by Gabberwocky:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Gabberwocky:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Kyle's last two games have been jewels. He was on fire in both and his players knew it. Those 3 losses still bug me but what the heck, kyle is back. I think he gotten a bit drifty for a couple of those losses, but Lordy, he had it all together tonite.

It was a true team win, but kyle led his guys, make no mistake about that.

Yes, Kyle finally realized that to win he has to hide Garoppolo. Unfortunately, it is not sustainable, and he knows it.

Wot?

Friend English, surely you realized that half of Jimmy's completions were at or behind the line of scrimmage, and an similar story occurred the previous week? This is what is necessary when your QB is so inconsistent. I pray that Jimmy comes out of his miasma and becomes the flagrant blue rose he is meant to be, but I cannot admit to faith that it will happen.

Until then, Kyle must continue to use as many -2 yard passes in space as possible, utilizing the brilliance of the YAC Brothers.

Why isn't that sustainable?

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Gabberwocky:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Gabberwocky:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Kyle's last two games have been jewels. He was on fire in both and his players knew it. Those 3 losses still bug me but what the heck, kyle is back. I think he gotten a bit drifty for a couple of those losses, but Lordy, he had it all together tonite.

It was a true team win, but kyle led his guys, make no mistake about that.

Yes, Kyle finally realized that to win he has to hide Garoppolo. Unfortunately, it is not sustainable, and he knows it.

Wot?

Friend English, surely you realized that half of Jimmy's completions were at or behind the line of scrimmage, and an similar story occurred the previous week? This is what is necessary when your QB is so inconsistent. I pray that Jimmy comes out of his miasma and becomes the flagrant blue rose he is meant to be, but I cannot admit to faith that it will happen.

Until then, Kyle must continue to use as many -2 yard passes in space as possible, utilizing the brilliance of the YAC Brothers.

Why isn't that sustainable?

Because nothing in the NFL is sustainable, at least in terms of scheme. When your quarterback has certain limits, he only thrives with certain scheme choices. But great defenses can counter that (and eventually all NFL defenses will copy-cat the solution), and then you have to depend upon an scheme change. However, if your QB is limited, you cannot successfully do that often.

If, on the other hand, you have an Mahomes or Wilson, they can consistently bail you out when the defense finds the solution to your scheme.

Even the greatest scheme that has existed, the late 80s/early 90s 49ers West Coast Offense, was schematically threatened by the zone blitz. It took superior talent to overcome that. Superior talent from the Hall of Fame quarterback, in particular.

Originally posted by Gabberwocky:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Gabberwocky:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Gabberwocky:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Kyle's last two games have been jewels. He was on fire in both and his players knew it. Those 3 losses still bug me but what the heck, kyle is back. I think he gotten a bit drifty for a couple of those losses, but Lordy, he had it all together tonite.

It was a true team win, but kyle led his guys, make no mistake about that.

Yes, Kyle finally realized that to win he has to hide Garoppolo. Unfortunately, it is not sustainable, and he knows it.

Wot?

Friend English, surely you realized that half of Jimmy's completions were at or behind the line of scrimmage, and an similar story occurred the previous week? This is what is necessary when your QB is so inconsistent. I pray that Jimmy comes out of his miasma and becomes the flagrant blue rose he is meant to be, but I cannot admit to faith that it will happen.

Until then, Kyle must continue to use as many -2 yard passes in space as possible, utilizing the brilliance of the YAC Brothers.

Why isn't that sustainable?

Because nothing in the NFL is sustainable, at least in terms of scheme. When your quarterback has certain limits, he only thrives with certain scheme choices. But great defenses can counter that (and eventually all NFL defenses will copy-cat the solution), and then you have to depend upon an scheme change. However, if your QB is limited, you cannot successfully do that often.

If, on the other hand, you have an Mahomes or Wilson, they can consistently bail you out when the defense finds the solution to your scheme.

Even the greatest scheme that has existed, the late 80s/early 90s 49ers West Coast Offense, was schematically threatened by the zone blitz. It took superior talent to overcome that. Superior talent from the Hall of Fame quarterback, in particular.

Why criticize a winning scheme for not being sustainable if sustainability is impossible?
Mahomes may be the GOAT, Kyle should have had the vision to take him but he didn't, it was a mistake. That ship has sailed. JG was a good option after passing on Mahomes.
Wilson is a HOFer and was never available.
Mahomes and Wilson are the two best QBs in the NFL, the 49ers are unlikely to have a top 3 QB in the next 10 years.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Gabberwocky:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Gabberwocky:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Gabberwocky:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Kyle's last two games have been jewels. He was on fire in both and his players knew it. Those 3 losses still bug me but what the heck, kyle is back. I think he gotten a bit drifty for a couple of those losses, but Lordy, he had it all together tonite.

It was a true team win, but kyle led his guys, make no mistake about that.

Yes, Kyle finally realized that to win he has to hide Garoppolo. Unfortunately, it is not sustainable, and he knows it.

Wot?

Friend English, surely you realized that half of Jimmy's completions were at or behind the line of scrimmage, and an similar story occurred the previous week? This is what is necessary when your QB is so inconsistent. I pray that Jimmy comes out of his miasma and becomes the flagrant blue rose he is meant to be, but I cannot admit to faith that it will happen.

Until then, Kyle must continue to use as many -2 yard passes in space as possible, utilizing the brilliance of the YAC Brothers.

Why isn't that sustainable?

Because nothing in the NFL is sustainable, at least in terms of scheme. When your quarterback has certain limits, he only thrives with certain scheme choices. But great defenses can counter that (and eventually all NFL defenses will copy-cat the solution), and then you have to depend upon an scheme change. However, if your QB is limited, you cannot successfully do that often.

If, on the other hand, you have an Mahomes or Wilson, they can consistently bail you out when the defense finds the solution to your scheme.

Even the greatest scheme that has existed, the late 80s/early 90s 49ers West Coast Offense, was schematically threatened by the zone blitz. It took superior talent to overcome that. Superior talent from the Hall of Fame quarterback, in particular.

Why criticize a winning scheme for not being sustainable if sustainability is impossible?
Mahomes may be the GOAT, Kyle should have had the vision to take him but he didn't, it was a mistake. That ship has sailed. JG was a good option after passing on Mahomes.
Wilson is a HOFer and was never available.
Mahomes and Wilson are the two best QBs in the NFL, the 49ers are unlikely to have a top 3 QB in the next 10 years.

I can only hope that Garoppolo makes significant progress over the next few weeks. If not, it will be time to find an replacement.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Gabberwocky:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Gabberwocky:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Gabberwocky:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Kyle's last two games have been jewels. He was on fire in both and his players knew it. Those 3 losses still bug me but what the heck, kyle is back. I think he gotten a bit drifty for a couple of those losses, but Lordy, he had it all together tonite.

It was a true team win, but kyle led his guys, make no mistake about that.

Yes, Kyle finally realized that to win he has to hide Garoppolo. Unfortunately, it is not sustainable, and he knows it.

Wot?

Friend English, surely you realized that half of Jimmy's completions were at or behind the line of scrimmage, and an similar story occurred the previous week? This is what is necessary when your QB is so inconsistent. I pray that Jimmy comes out of his miasma and becomes the flagrant blue rose he is meant to be, but I cannot admit to faith that it will happen.

Until then, Kyle must continue to use as many -2 yard passes in space as possible, utilizing the brilliance of the YAC Brothers.

Why isn't that sustainable?

Because nothing in the NFL is sustainable, at least in terms of scheme. When your quarterback has certain limits, he only thrives with certain scheme choices. But great defenses can counter that (and eventually all NFL defenses will copy-cat the solution), and then you have to depend upon an scheme change. However, if your QB is limited, you cannot successfully do that often.

If, on the other hand, you have an Mahomes or Wilson, they can consistently bail you out when the defense finds the solution to your scheme.

Even the greatest scheme that has existed, the late 80s/early 90s 49ers West Coast Offense, was schematically threatened by the zone blitz. It took superior talent to overcome that. Superior talent from the Hall of Fame quarterback, in particular.

Why criticize a winning scheme for not being sustainable if sustainability is impossible?
Mahomes may be the GOAT, Kyle should have had the vision to take him but he didn't, it was a mistake. That ship has sailed. JG was a good option after passing on Mahomes.
Wilson is a HOFer and was never available.
Mahomes and Wilson are the two best QBs in the NFL, the 49ers are unlikely to have a top 3 QB in the next 10 years.

Mahomes is good, but I'd rather see the 9ers face him than Wilson. Actually I think I'd rather see the 9ers face the other 31 QB's in the NFL than Russell Wilson.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
After reading the article by Chris Wilson I ave to say that I agree with him somewhat. It's time to let JG sink or swim. Let him start trying a few tougher passes and let's see if he and his receivers can develop a working chemistry. You can't keep going week to week just hoping something happens. Kyle needs to help him make it happen.

I heard an interview last week with Jimmy Johnson. He's not my favorite coach but you can't argue with the success he had at every level. He says he doesn't like having the HC be the OC or DC. His philosophy is that the HC needs to step back from all the details that the OC and DC address so he can see the bigger picture. He said, OCs ust want tl score and DCs just want to attack. He said that sometimes you need to dial it up or down depending on the game situation and it's hard for the coordinators to see that. I can see the value in that, especially with a young 1st time HC. Kyle loves the play calling but he's so involved with it that he can't focus on the overall game. Maybe it's one of the reasons we see little or no adjustments from the O or the D in the 2nd half. I don't know if he could find an OC that he thinks could handle the job butit might really benefit him in the long run. Belichick is to defense what Kyle is to offense but he had a DC up until last year.

Bill Walsh called his own plays. We saw all kinds of philosophies work. There is no single "way". However, I'm perfectly fine in Kyle surrendering play calling if and only if someone on the staff can do it better than he can. Considering he is the best play caller in the game, why would we want him to do this now? Our OC is the least of our worries.

If he can get 2 or 3 more wins before the bye he is a genius. Theoretically, many of the injured players will come back and be fresh for a playoff run. With all the injuries he is getting a great look at the team depth. The NFC West could have 4 teams in the playoffs, but I have little faith in the Rams

Except for the Miami debacle every game has been winnable.