49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by wailers15:

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:

Still think he is the best play caller in the league, with a few headscratchers during the game. Wish his QB wasn't holding him back soo much.

We need someone in house that can better evaluate QB talent.

If the QB is holding him back then Kyle is doing a s**tty fkn job as a coach. Then you fkn bench him and move onto the next cat.
So basically you're saying Kyle is not that good at evaluating QB talent? If so then we're fkd!!
Kyle from what I have read and heard has had just as much input in the moves as the GM. From what I gather is it's a collective effort.

Good lord my man. Kyle had Jimmy for 5 games in 2017 but they saw enough to sign him long term. Everyone thought it was a good move. He tears his ACL in 2018. Kyle goes 13-3 with him last year but it obvious Kyle doesn't trust Jimmy all the time. Still you give him a shot after getting to a Super Bowl. It's looking like a lot of the same and then he gets injured again this year. You get a good game out of your backup and then he craps the bed. You go back to the starter who may not be 100%. You basically scheme up two huge wins but you lose key pieces. You're going up against the worst defense in the league and your starting QB doesn't pass for a 100 yards before having to be pulled for injury.

I don't think Kyle has always made the best move but it's no doubt his starting QB is holding his offense back.

Originally posted by Antix:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
oh god here we go again with kyle is just an OC bs. dude lost all his roster, lets see how pete carroll does with russell wilson missing games, please.

Its ridiculous. I understand some overreacting but to take it to Kyle and make it out like he's not competent enough at his job is just nuts. If people think things are bad now at 4-4 with half your team injured, then they cant even imagine the depths of suckitude we'd be in without Kyle.

Did everyone forget how Pete Carroll did before Russell Wilson

Originally posted by JDMathews49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Kyle has been scheming his nuts off for multiple yrs here...its like no one is watching other NFL games in here

Dude is so far from the issue here.

Right. Kyle isn't the issue by a mile.

If you need a HOF talent at QB to win games. Then you are an issue.

Lol how do you go from what they said to that ?

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by JDMathews49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Kyle has been scheming his nuts off for multiple yrs here...its like no one is watching other NFL games in here

Dude is so far from the issue here.

Right. Kyle isn't the issue by a mile.

If you need a HOF talent at QB to win games. Then you are an issue.

Well, clearly Kyle isn't the issue then because his team went 13-3 and got to the Super Bowl last year with Jimmy as the starter...

Originally posted by BYisGod:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by JDMathews49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Kyle has been scheming his nuts off for multiple yrs here...its like no one is watching other NFL games in here

Dude is so far from the issue here.

Right. Kyle isn't the issue by a mile.

If you need a HOF talent at QB to win games. Then you are an issue.

Well, clearly Kyle isn't the issue then because his team went 13-3 and got to the Super Bowl last year with Jimmy as the starter...

Yet we are all talking about how Jimmy isn't the guy and they need a new QB.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by BYisGod:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by JDMathews49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Kyle has been scheming his nuts off for multiple yrs here...its like no one is watching other NFL games in here

Dude is so far from the issue here.

Right. Kyle isn't the issue by a mile.

If you need a HOF talent at QB to win games. Then you are an issue.

Well, clearly Kyle isn't the issue then because his team went 13-3 and got to the Super Bowl last year with Jimmy as the starter...

Yet we are all talking about how Jimmy isn't the guy and they need a new QB.

Yes...we are. And that's because Jimmy is injury prone, and inconsistent in his play, especially considering how much money he's making. In what world does that equate to Kyle needing a HOF QB to win? There's a truck-sized hole in your logic for several reasons, chief among them: A QB can be better than Jimmy, and win a Super Bowl, AND not be a HOFer.

What you're essentially saying—and really what you have to be saying in order for your argument to make any sense—is that Kyle is a bad coach because he can't win with Jimmy. That's a weak argument.

Originally posted by BYisGod:
Yes...we are. And that's because Jimmy is injury prone, and inconsistent in his play, especially considering how much money he's making. In what world does that equate to Kyle needing a HOF QB to win? There's a truck-sized hole in your logic for several reasons, chief among them: A QB can be better than Jimmy, and win a Super Bowl, AND not be a HOFer.

What you're essentially saying—and really what you have to be saying in order for your argument to make any sense—is that Kyle is a bad coach because he can't win with Jimmy. That's a weak argument.

Should i post his win-loss record with Jimmy and without. FYI without is pretty bad.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Should i post his win-loss record with Jimmy and without. FYI without is pretty bad.

I'll post some stats. Jim has a 26-9 (.743%) career record, and won 17 of his first 20 starts.

Pretending he's some chump who doesn't know how to win is pretty foolish. There's a lot of teams out there that wish they had a player like Garoppolo.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by BYisGod:

Yes...we are. And that's because Jimmy is injury prone, and inconsistent in his play, especially considering how much money he's making. In what world does that equate to Kyle needing a HOF QB to win? There's a truck-sized hole in your logic for several reasons, chief among them: A QB can be better than Jimmy, and win a Super Bowl, AND not be a HOFer.

What you're essentially saying—and really what you have to be saying in order for your argument to make any sense—is that Kyle is a bad coach because he can't win with Jimmy. That's a weak argument.

Should i post his win-loss record with Jimmy and without. FYI without is pretty bad.

A) You've yet to bolster your argument that Kyle needs a HOF QB.

B) Focusing on what you've bolded: That, of course, is skewed by the fact that the team during Shanahan's first two seasons lacked talent on offense and defense. Consider the improvements on defense alone last year—an improved Fred Warner, the emergence of Emmanuel Mosley, Sherm being another year removed from his injury, the addition of Kwon Alexander, and oh yeah, Nick Bosa and Dee Ford (albeit in limited snaps) taking the heat off Buck and Arik. None of those players (aside from Buck and Arik) that I've mentioned were even here during Shanahan's first season.

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Should i post his win-loss record with Jimmy and without. FYI without is pretty bad.

I'll post some stats. Jim has a 26-9 (.743%) career record, and won 17 of his first 20 starts.

Pretending he's some chump who doesn't know how to win is pretty foolish. There's a lot of teams out there that wish they had a player like Garoppolo.

Who's saying he's some chump? Jimmy's had some great moments. For example, the New Orleans game last year was unbelievable. That's not the issue. The issue is whether he's the right fit long-term at the price he's currently commanding. That's a much more difficult thing to assess given his injury history and inconsistent play.

It's time to start thinking of the FUTURE... or we'll be similar to the Marvin Lewis at Cincy... always looking competitive, but always not enough...

Lynch must decide whether or not he needs to stay true to a friend of his in Kyle, or pursue greatness of being a GM.

We all gave Kyle the credit on the Rams and Patriots win, so it's time to accept the Seattle loss all to himself as well..

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Originally posted by BYisGod:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Should i post his win-loss record with Jimmy and without. FYI without is pretty bad.

I'll post some stats. Jim has a 26-9 (.743%) career record, and won 17 of his first 20 starts.

Pretending he's some chump who doesn't know how to win is pretty foolish. There's a lot of teams out there that wish they had a player like Garoppolo.

Who's saying he's some chump? Jimmy's had some great moments. For example, the New Orleans game last year was unbelievable. That's not the issue. The issue is whether he's the right fit long-term at the price he's currently commanding. That's a much more difficult thing to assess given his injury history and inconsistent play.

There's a lot of people around here saying he's a chump. I'm not saying Jcool, you or I are saying that. But there's a lot of s**t being thrown Jimmy's way.

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Should i post his win-loss record with Jimmy and without. FYI without is pretty bad.

I'll post some stats. Jim has a 26-9 (.743%) career record, and won 17 of his first 20 starts.

Pretending he's some chump who doesn't know how to win is pretty foolish. There's a lot of teams out there that wish they had a player like Garoppolo.

I just wanna see Jimmy G traded so all the b***hing, pouting and whining will stop.